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Gay Marraiges
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 Monday March 17, 2003 17:13 by the Pragmatist
Gay people should be allowed marry When most of this think of our future wedding we often envision a romantic ideal. If you're the bride you envision a beautiful church, laid out with flowers, all your family and friends there and marrying the perfect guy. For the Groom, getting married will be remembered for the stag night the night before and trying not to let on in front of your mates that it does actually mean something to you.
Marriage is a very strong and important union of two souls as they make this journey through this life. You are saying in front of the eyes of God that you intend to have this person as your one and only for the rest of your life. It is a very special and holy bond, an unspoken understanding between two people, which can only be understood by those in it.
What a load of bollocks. The institution of Marriage is a farce. We have been duped by the hormonal nonsense so evident in Alley McBeal and in Friends when Rachael broke up with Ross. Marriage is fictional. It means nothing. It has no special bond, relevance and the power, which made the Universe (God), cannot be harnessed in a church smelling of incense, and if it could it wouldn't bother by looking at you and your spouse and one hundred and fifty of your friends getting pissed.
Marriage was started as a contract of property. That's why we wear rings on our third fingers. Initially only women did that, men owned their women, who were seen only as above slaves. Ever notice that cows and bulls have rings in their noses; it's exactly the same. If women ever ran away from their husbands (owners) they could be brought back. Of course wedding rings have been made so you can take them off nowadays.
As women became equal in society they brought their (considerably more emotional) views to bear and the process of marriage became more positive; about people rather than property.
Many marriages are braking down in Ireland and in the other countries of the world. For children, no matter what age, this can be a very painful process as one of the corner stones of your life, which you always considered would be there, crumbles away.
Before monogamy became fashionable men usually had a number of wives. Many Muslims have four to this day, although it's not as simple as that.
In our rhetoric about the "union of two souls" we have forgot one thing: everybody is an individual. From a young age Mammy and Daddy were a unit, the thought they could brake up was unfathomable. It is perhaps quite selfish that we don't allow for individuality in couples. When some people hear that a married couple they know have broken up, they give out that they have broken their vows and talk about them disrespectfully. No thought is given to the fact that maybe they'll be better off without each other, that perhaps it wasn't meant to be, or even worse maybe people aren't cut out to have only one long term relationship in their lives.
We are left with marriage as it is: a statement that two people are in love and that for as long as they can they intend to stay together. They day one of them falls out of love with the other that should be taken as a divorce. Why in God's name does someone have to go through the Dáil to get a divorce? What do the 160 odd T.D's have to do with some person's relationship?
We now have the point of this essay. There is no logical reason why homosexuals shouldn't be able to have their unions/ marriages recognised by the state. They go through the same feelings that heterosexuals go through. What you will find in most cases is that people who don't think gay people should be allowed marry, are just saying so because they don't like homosexuality in general.
Most people who are secure in their sexuality and who have sex, are in favour of giving equal rights to gay people on the issue. It's usually ignorant people who have only made it with their left hand who object.
It 's about time that we took a new approach to marriage in this country, stopped thinking of ourselves and realised instead that the only people who should have a say are those in the relationship themselves.
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Jump To Comment: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15Two things to mention here, firstly, remember that homosexuality was a crime here until 1997. Groups like amnesty international finally embarassed the govt. into repealing that particular piece of legislation. Given that 85% of TDs would align themselves with varying degrees of right wing social politics this hardly comes as a surprise.
Secondly, FF like to be seen as a party acceptable to many groups in society and Bertie would be quite shy of such a potentially controversial move. I don't doubt that it will come along eventually but not for some time. Ireland is still a very backward country where while many don't profess to agree with catholic ideals, the subconcious sexual repression of centuries is going to take several generations to change certain people's bigoted view of homosexuality as some kind of "deviance".
What you've said above is true to an extent.
It will be several years before irish society is ready for adoptions yet but marraige in 10 years i'd say.
Fianna Fail was willing to legalise gay marraiges in coalition negotiations with labour in 1994.
If the PDs are so liberal, why won't they do it?
The fact remains that Labour is the only party in ireland to have the guts to come out in favour of gay rights.
If gay people wanna marry, they should make sure to vote labour in 2005 or wenever the next election is.
I still think graham norton shodn't be allowed to adopt.
I don't think gays should be allowed to marry. In my opinion I have no problem with gays. What consenting adults get up to in the privact of their own bedroooms is not my business. But i draw the line at open "marriage".
The Labour Party are no the only party in Ireland to come out for marraige right s for gays and lesbians. As far as I know, the SP, SWP, WSM and maybe SF have this policy.
as people can guess the above comment was not by me. In all liklihood it was by a bitter & teisted member of Tots n Trots
so yer man up above there has no problem with gays but doesn't tink they should be able to marry?
what if they marry inside their bedrooms?
did anyone read my article?
marraige is bullshit. you are not special. it is not a comsmic bond. you have no significance. you are piece of linear existance which was unfortunatley started and will stop.
who has the right to stop anybody doing what they want so long as it doesn't hurt another?
nobody.
Why dont you and Aidan O Brien get hitched?
i have assisted at countless weddings and funerals.
these are times when ordinary people enter churches and do their thing.
as a no borders activist I have witnessed countless marriages for papers.
there are times when ordinary people enter countries and do their thing.
To marry someone who like you is a 1st world citizen is a waste of your nationality.
Marry at all means, do a church gig and feed organists like me, but remember that that little beurocratic contract can benefit many others regardless of their sexual orientation.
Of those gays whom I know who are married as ·gay couples· all are either French or American citizens. They married in the Nederlands.
Of most gays whom I know who are married they married in Ireland in churches and some but not all managed to raise families without too much ·dsyfunction·
as for the recognition to ·unions· afforded by a state, might I remind all that such recognition found its root in Elizabeth the first of England´s beurocratic overhaul of the Church of England. Germaine Greer my favourite 'as of yet no show supper guest' wrote at length concerning the origin of the modern legal state of marriage in 'the female eunuch'.
as an anarchist I can not in good conscience (and i am an anarchist of good conscience), argue that more state regulation may serve to validate any human relation.
as rhwy leave my ass alone they can do what they want, its a free country still!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
as as they leave my ass alone they can do what they want, its a free country still!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
drunk and proud
Pat c are you some kinda skitzo?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think Sinn Fein have ever come out in support of Gay marriage.
I know last year that a representative of Ogra Sinn Fein was on the late late show before the general election and he said that he did not support Gay marriage.
As for SP, SWP and WSM, I'm sure that they can best speak for themselves, but I'm not so sure that they as political parties favour the institution of marriage?
Who cares what the loons in the SP, SWP think of marriage, the people do their own thing, if they want to marry why should they have to get the blessing of the 'party'
Just some things I'd like to clarify. Homosexualiy was decriminalised in 1992 by the then Lab/FF government. This was after they had lost a case in the Eurpoean Supreem court trying to maintain the then illegal status of homosexuality. This was a case started by the Lab/FG government in 1987.No party represented in the dail at present suppoprts the idea of same-sex marriage at present.THey dont want to takle the issue because marriage is enshrined in the constitution and therefor would take a referendum to broaden the definition.Some parties have come out in favour of partnership rights of some sort giving lesbian, gay and bisexual(Lgb) persons inheritance rights, next of kin status social welfare benifits etc. The parties that have come out in favour of partnership rights are the greens, sinn fein, labour, fine gael and the socialist parties. The PDs and ff have been notable in their silence. I dont trust any of the parties however and I will back which ever one gives the best deal for lgb people. The problem is just like society political parties are inveteratly homophobic irrespective of their other views.
The first comment was not by me. As for matchmaker - Aidens not my type.