Another suspected CIA plane at Shannon today.

by Seán Ryan Sat Jul 08, 2006 18:41

We don't have a competent minister to inform.

Maybe if we passed around the brown paper bag - and filled it sufficiently?

by searchbot Sat Jul 08, 2006 18:51

1 CONTRIBUTION OF THE RAPPORTEUR:
RESEARCH ON THE PLANES USED BY
THE CIA
2 CIA OPERATING COMPANIES
SHELL COMPANIES
OTHER PRIVATE COMPANIES TYPE OF PLANES USED BY CIA
PEGASUS TECHNOLOGIES, INC → → PATH CORPORATION
·
N368CE

N368CE
• The N368CE is a Boeing 737-300 registered to a shell company called Premier Aircraft
Management and incorporated in North Las Vegas, Nevada. Recently, the ownership of
the Boeing has shifted from Premier Aircraft Management to a sister company called
Vision Airlines.
• The German magazine Stern states that the aircraft, American registration number
N368CE, is considered part of the CIA's fleet, but that the American Army has denied
this when asked. The plane in question is apparently listed as a "passenger machine of
the US Army".
• It is surprising to notice the routes made by the N368CE from June 2005 to November
2005. It made almost daily the route Frankfurt (Germany)-Ashkhabad
(Turkmenistan), (Turkmenistan). From September 2005 to end of November 2005, the
plane made almost daily, for four months, the route Frankfurt (Germany)-Ashkhabad
(Turkmenistan)-Frankfurt (Germany) and Frankfurt (Germany)-Bagdad-
Frankfurt (Germany).
• The home base of the plane is Frankfurt (Germany), Germany. The Frankfurt
(Germany) airport, according to a report in the magazine Stern 14, continues to be used
by American authorities for secret transports. The magazine, citing internal airport
documents, is reporting that the Boeing has repeatedly landed in Frankfurt (Germany)
on its way to and from Baghdad (Iraq) and Kabul since the beginning of this year. 15
• The N368CE was as well object of an query of the UK Parliament. 16
11 http://www.planepictures.net/netsearch4.cgi?srng=2&styp...368CE
12 http://www.germnews.de/archive/dn/2006/02/08.html
13 http://www.germnews.de/archive/dn/2006/02/08.html
14 http://www.stern.de/blog/index.php?op=ViewArticle&artic...gId=6
15 http://www.airliners.de/safety/nachrichten/artikelseite...=7484
16http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200506/cmhan...sbhd2
N368CE
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DEPARTURE AIRPORT
ARRIVING AIRPORT DATES
Washington (USA) Shannon (Ireland) 25/03/2002
Shannon(Ireland) Larnaca (Cyprus) 25/03/2002
Larnaca(Cyprus) Islamabad (Pakistan) 26/03/2002
Dubai(Arab Emirates) Athens Cyprus) 31/03/2002
Athens (Greece) Shannon(Ireland) 31/03/2002
Shannon(Ireland) Gander (Canada) 31/03/2002
Washington (USA) Shannon(Ireland) 24/05/2002
Shannon(Ireland) Larnaca(Cyprus) 24/05/2002
Larnaca(Cyprus) Karachi ( Pakistan) 24/05/2002
Islamabad (Pakistan) Larnaca(Cyprus) 01/06/2002
Larnaca(Cyprus) Shannon(Ireland) 01/06/2002
Shannon(Ireland) Goose Bay (Canada) 02/06/2002
Washington(USA) Shannon(Ireland) 10/06/2002
Shannon(Ireland) Larnaca(Cyprus) 10/06/2002
Larnaca(Cyprus) Dubai (Arab Emirates) 11/06/2002
Karachi(Pakistan) Larnaca(Cyprus) 18/06/2002
Larnaca(Cyprus) Shannon(Ireland) 18/06/2002
Shannon(Ireland) Goose Bay (Canada) 19/06/2002
New York (USA) Shannon(Ireland) 03/07/2002
Shannon(Ireland) Wien (Austria) 03/07/2002
Wien (Austria) Tunis (Tunisia) 06/07/2002
Abuja (Nigeria) Santa Maria (Azores) 13/07/2002
Santa Maria(Azores) New York(USA) 13/07/2002
Bangor(USA) Shannon(Ireland) 02/09/2002
Shannon(Ireland) Nice (France) 02/09/2002
Nice (France) Farnborough (UK) 03/09/2002
Farnborough(UK) Nice(France) 03/09/2002
Nice(France) Farnborough(UK) 04/09/2002
Farnborough(UK) Nice(France) 04/09/2002
Nice(France) Shannon(Ireland) 05/09/2002
Shannon(Ireland) Bangor(USA) 05/09/2002
Washington(USA) Shannon(Ireland) 14/09/2002
Shannon(Ireland) Larnaca(Cyprus) 14/09/2002
Larnaca(Cyprus) Islamabad (Pakistan) 14/09/2002
Islamabad (Pakistan) Larnaca(Cyprus) 21/09/2002
Larnaca(Cyprus) Shannon(Ireland) 21/09/2002
Shannon(Ireland) Gander(Canada) 22/09/2002
Washington(USA) Shannon(Ireland) 22/09/2002
Shannon(Ireland) Gander(Canada) 23/09/2002
Goose Bay(Canada) Birmingham(UK) 30/09/2002
Birmingham(UK) Goose Bay (Canada) 30/09/2002
New York(USA) Shannon(Ireland) 16/12/2002
Shannon(Ireland) Cairo (Egypt) 17/12/2002
Cairo (Egypt) Shannon(Ireland) 17/12/2002
Shannon(Ireland) Bangor (USA) 18/12/2002
Gander (Canada) Shannon(Ireland) 19/02/2003
Shannon(Ireland) Larnaca(Cyprus) 19/02/2003
Larnaca(Cyprus) Vohy (Madacascar) 19/02/2003
Bahrain (Kingdom of Bahrain) Athens (Greece) 24/02/2003
Athens (Greece) Shannon(Ireland) 24/02/2003
Shannon(Ireland) Gander(Canada) 24/02/2003
Santa Maria (Azores) Kano (Kano) 28/02/2003
Capo Verde San Juan (Puerto Rico) 01/03/2003
Inverness(UK) Gander(Canada) 14/06/2003
Gander(Canada) Luton(UK) 18/06/2003
Luton(UK) Riyadh (Saudi Arabia) 18/06/2003
Riyadh(Saudi Arabia) Larnaca(Cyprus) 18/06/2003
Larnaca(Cyprus) Shannon(Ireland) 18/06/2003
Shannon(Ireland) Gander(Canada) 19/06/2003
Pittsburgh(USA) Shannon(Ireland) 18/08/2003
Shannon(Ireland) Riyadh (Saudi Arabia) 18/08/2003
Riyadh(Saudi Arabia) Larnaca(Cyprus) 18/08/2003
Larnaca(Cyprus) Shannon(Ireland) 18/08/2003
Shannon(Ireland) Gander(Canada) 19/08/2003
Green Cape Casablanca (Morocco) 13/04/2004
Rabat (Morocco) Santa Maria (Azores) 14/04/2004
Santa Maria (Azores) Washington(USA) 14/04/2004
London (UK) Bangor(USA) 09/05/2004
Washington(USA) Shannon(Ireland) 13/06/2004
Shannon(Ireland) Cairo (Egypt) 13/06/2004
Amman (Jordan) Shannon(Ireland) 17/06/2004
Shannon(Ireland) Gander (Canada) 17/06/2004
Ankara (Turkey) Frankfurt (Germany) 08/06/2005
Frankfurt (Germany) Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) 09/06/2005
Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) Frankfurt (Germany) 10/06/2005
Frankfurt (Germany) Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) 11/06/2005
Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) Frankfurt (Germany) 12/06/2005
Frankfurt (Germany) Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) 15/06/2005
Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) Frankfurt (Germany) 16/06/2005
Frankfurt (Germany) Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) 18/06/2005
Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) Frankfurt (Germany) 19/06/2005
Frankfurt (Germany) Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) 22/06/2005
Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) Frankfurt (Germany) 23/06/2005
Frankfurt (Germany) Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) 25/06/2005
Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) Frankfurt (Germany) 26/06/2005
Frankfurt (Germany) Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) 29/06/2005
Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) Frankfurt (Germany) 30/06/2005
Frankfurt (Germany) Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) 02/07/2005
Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) Frankfurt (Germany) 03/07/2005
Frankfurt (Germany) Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) 06/07/2005
Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) Frankfurt (Germany) 07/07/2005
Frankfurt (Germany) Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) 09/07/2005
Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) Frankfurt (Germany) 10/07/2005
N368CE
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Frankfurt (Germany) Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) 13/07/2005
Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) Frankfurt (Germany) 14/07/2005
Frankfurt (Germany) Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) 16/07/2005
Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) Frankfurt (Germany) 17/07/2005
Frankfurt (Germany) Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) 20/07/2005
Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) Frankfurt (Germany) 21/07/2005
Frankfurt (Germany) Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) 23/07/2005
Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) Frankfurt (Germany) 24/07/2005
Frankfurt (Germany) Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) 27/07/2005
Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) Frankfurt (Germany) 28/07/2005
Frankfurt (Germany) Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) 30/07/2005
Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) Frankfurt (Germany) 31/07/2005
Frankfurt (Germany) Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) 03/08/2005
Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) Frankfurt (Germany) 04/08/2005
Frankfurt (Germany) Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) 06/08/2005
Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) Frankfurt (Germany) 07/08/2005
Frankfurt (Germany) Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) 10/08/2005
Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) Frankfurt (Germany) 11/08/2005
Frankfurt (Germany) Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) 13/08/2005
Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) Frankfurt (Germany) 14/08/2005
Frankfurt (Germany) Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) 17/08/2005
Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) Frankfurt (Germany) 18/08/2005
Frankfurt (Germany) Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) 20/08/2005
Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) Frankfurt (Germany) 21/08/2005
Frankfurt (Germany) Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) 24/08/2005
Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) Frankfurt (Germany) 25/08/2005
Frankfurt (Germany) Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) 27/08/2005
Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) Frankfurt (Germany) 28/08/2005
Frankfurt (Germany) Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) 31/08/2005
Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) Frankfurt (Germany) 01/09/2005
Frankfurt (Germany) Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) 03/09/2005
Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) Frankfurt (Germany) 04/09/2005
Frankfurt (Germany) Baghdad (Iraq) 05/09/2005
Baghdad (Iraq) Frankfurt (Germany) 06/09/2005
Frankfurt (Germany) Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) 07/09/2005
Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) Frankfurt (Germany) 08/09/2005
Frankfurt (Germany) Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) 10/09/2005
Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) Frankfurt (Germany) 11/09/2005
Frankfurt (Germany) Baghdad (Iraq) 12/09/2005
Baghdad (Iraq) Frankfurt (Germany) 13/09/2005
Frankfurt (Germany) Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) 14/09/2005
Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) Frankfurt (Germany) 15/09/2005
Frankfurt (Germany) Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) 17/09/2005
Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) Frankfurt (Germany) 18/09/2005
Frankfurt (Germany) Baghdad (Iraq) 19/09/2005
Baghdad (Iraq) Frankfurt (Germany) 20/09/2005
Frankfurt (Germany) Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) 21/09/2005
Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) Frankfurt (Germany) 22/09/2005
Frankfurt (Germany) Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) 24/09/2005
Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) Frankfurt (Germany) 25/09/2005
Frankfurt (Germany) Baghdad (Iraq) 26/09/2005
Baghdad (Iraq) Frankfurt (Germany) 27/09/2005
Frankfurt (Germany) Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) 28/09/2005
Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) Frankfurt (Germany) 29/09/2005
Frankfurt (Germany) Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) 01/10/2005
Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) Frankfurt (Germany) 02/10/2005
Frankfurt (Germany) Baghdad (Iraq) 03/10/2005
Baghdad (Iraq) Frankfurt (Germany) 04/10/2005
Frankfurt (Germany) Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) 05/10/2005
Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) Frankfurt (Germany) 06/10/2005
Frankfurt (Germany) Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) 08/10/2005
Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) Frankfurt (Germany) 09/10/2005
Frankfurt (Germany) Baghdad (Iraq) 10/10/2005
Baghdad (Iraq) Frankfurt (Germany) 11/10/2005
Frankfurt (Germany) Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) 12/10/2005
Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) Frankfurt (Germany) 13/10/2005
Frankfurt (Germany) Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) 15/10/2005
Merv (Turkmenistan) Frankfurt (Germany) 16/10/2005
Frankfurt (Germany) Baghdad (Iraq) 17/10/2005
Baghdad (Iraq) Frankfurt (Germany) 18/10/2005
Frankfurt (Germany) Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) 19/10/2005
Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) Frankfurt (Germany) 20/10/2005
Frankfurt (Germany) Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) 22/10/2005
Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) Frankfurt (Germany) 23/10/2005
Frankfurt (Germany) Baghdad (Iraq) 24/10/2005
Baghdad (Iraq) Frankfurt (Germany) 25/10/2005
Frankfurt (Germany) Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) 26/10/2005
Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) Frankfurt (Germany) 27/10/2005
Frankfurt (Germany) Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) 29/10/2005
Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) Frankfurt (Germany) 30/10/2005
Frankfurt (Germany) Baghdad (Iraq) 31/10/2005
Baghdad (Iraq) Frankfurt (Germany) 01/11/2005
Frankfurt (Germany) Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) 02/11/2005
Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) Frankfurt (Germany) 03/11/2005
Frankfurt (Germany) Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) 05/11/2005
Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) Frankfurt (Germany) 06/11/2005
Frankfurt (Germany) Baghdad (Iraq) 07/11/2005
Baghdad (Iraq) Frankfurt (Germany) 08/11/2005
Frankfurt (Germany) Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) 09/11/2005
Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) Frankfurt (Germany) 10/11/2005
Frankfurt (Germany) Baghdad (Iraq) 11/11/2005
Baghdad (Iraq) Frankfurt (Germany) 12/11/2005
Frankfurt (Germany) Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) 12/11/2005
Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) Frankfurt (Germany) 13/11/2005
Frankfurt (Germany) Baghdad (Iraq) 14/11/2005
Baghdad (Iraq) Frankfurt (Germany) 15/11/2005
Frankfurt (Germany) Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) 16/11/2005
Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) Frankfurt (Germany) 17/11/2005
Frankfurt (Germany) Baghdad (Iraq) 18/11/2005
Baghdad (Iraq) Frankfurt (Germany) 19/11/2005
Frankfurt (Germany) Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) 19/11/2005
Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) Frankfurt (Germany) 20/11/2005
Frankfurt (Germany) Baghdad (Iraq) 21/11/2005
Baghdad (Iraq) Frankfurt (Germany) 22/11/2005
Frankfurt (Germany) Baghdad (Iraq) 25/11/2005
Baghdad (Iraq) Frankfurt (Germany) 26/11/2005
Frankfurt (Germany) Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) 26/11/2005
Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) Frankfurt (Germany) 27/11/2005
Frankfurt (Germany) Baghdad (Iraq) 28/11/2005
Baghdad (Iraq) Frankfurt (Germany) 29/11/2005
Frankfurt (Germany) Ashkhabad (Turkmenistan) 30/11/2005

by searchbot Sat Jul 08, 2006 19:06

http://www.statewatch.org/news/2006/jun/ep-cia-inq-rese...r.pdf
Here's some of the regs to watch for.. maybe they'realready in the logbook that Tim and Ed saw in your station? (as they reported in http://www.indymedia.ie/newswire.php?story_id=68866 )

Wanted to assist with Garda Questions : crew and agents of following aircraft -

N505LL; N221SG
N2189M (LOCKHEED)
N8183J (LOCKHEED)
N4557C (LOCKHEED)
N173S; N4009L; N313P+N4476S
N379P+N8068V+N44982
N313P+N4476S
N157A; N312ME; N4456A; N5139A
N5155A; N6161Q
N168D; N187D; N196D; N219D
N964BW; N965BW; N966BW;
N967BW; N968 N227SV-N85VM
N1016M;
N8213G
N368CE; N168BF
N1HC; N50BH
N829MG+ N259SK
N313P + N4476S

by Seán Ryan Sat Jul 08, 2006 19:21

Been reading this week's edition of our local rag, the Limerick Leader.

Two stories came to my attention.

Page 12 the headline reads:
Expert Panel vote Shannon Airport the best in Europe.

The warport has been selected as the best airport in Europe in the 1m to 5m passanger category by the Airports Council International (ACI) Europe.

They quote the judges as saying that the warport, "continues to impress with it's 'can-do spirit' in constantly looking for improvements in its retail offerings, facilities and passanger/airline facilitation."

NO COMMENT

The second story that caught my eye was on the front page, and highlighted the excellence exuded above:

The headline reads:
Exposed: airport security failures.

This piece tells us that security bosses in Shannon Warport are embarrased, following a claim that a passanger carried a 4-inch knife through the airport on two occasions. He was searched on his way from Shannon to the UK and had to remove his shoes and belt. The knife in his jacket pocket however triggered no alarm. He returned with the knife through the terminal two days later.

NO COMMENT

I'll post the links to these stories when the Leader puts them up.

by A10 Sat Jul 08, 2006 19:47

That Shannon made 28 million from the US airflights.
THANKS USA!! and especially from me,the overtime paid for my holidays this year.

Really wonder is this anti American /war thing really a Dub based Aer Rianta sponsored "Lets get rid of that fuckin bog airport in the midwest at any cost." This farce somtimes has all the marks of a COINTLPRO operation.

by Ayatollah Khameni - Iranian Air Force Sat Jul 08, 2006 20:00

Dear Shannon Airport,
We want to launch a pre-emptive strike against the US, as we believe that they have Weapons of Mass Destruction.
As our planes don't have sufficient range to go from Tehran to Washington, we would like to refuel at your airport. Detective Houlihan said that it was okay. (see http://www.indymedia.ie/article/77008 )
Can you quote us a price for landing our plane loads of Revolutionary Guards and commandos?
If you give us a good discount, we may even forget that you supplied beef to the criminal Saddam while he was invading our country.

by Seán Ryan Sat Jul 08, 2006 20:01

I'm sure I missed lots of stories.

I doubt this 'anti-american/war' thing is a Dub plot to remove the bogport off the map. Aer Rianta like both Dublin Airport and Shannon Warport.

Besides, what with two major security scandals/lapses in Dublin Aiport within days of each other, in the last week, I doubt they'd be in a position to offer criticism.

I wonder A10, if you divided all this overtime you made by the number of American soldiers killed (that passed through Shannon) over the time that you built up your overtime - how much profit did you make per head?

But I do agree with you on one point, Aer Rianta is anti-American.

by Dead Nazi. Sat Jul 08, 2006 20:03

Sure didn't the ovetime at Auswitch pay for THEIR holidays... and isn't that a good enough reason to ignore the dead, the dying and the next in line?

by Coilin Sat Jul 08, 2006 20:20

This angle has already been well covered by Tim Hourigan in a report and comments following the demo last weekend. Here's a very lightly edited version of his analysis:

Rather than develop a viable business plan for the airport - e.g. developing it for civilian freight - and making the west of Ireland more appealing to tourists and business travellers - e.g. by developing a western rail corridor - the government has allowed the airport to become dependent on blood money from the US military.

Given the unpredictable nature of wars, and the uncertainty of how long they last, this was never a reliable source of income. Aside from the moral implications of taking money for assisting mass murder, the figures quoted for military revenue - working out at about EUR 270 per dead Iraqi - ignore the associated costs, such as the fuel, security (15 million for Bush's 2004 visit), aircraft ground fees and the waived Air Traffic Control fees. (ATC charges are instead paid for by the Irish taxpayer and amounting to over EUR 10 million since 2001.)

Claims by local politicians and business interests that the US military use of Shannon is justified for economic reasons ignores both the economic reality of this business and the humanitarian disasters in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Thanks for that, Tim.

Tim's analysis takes no account of losses incurred by extra security measures, either routine measures or emergency evacuations in the event of bomb scares - hidden costs of fighting a phantom enemy.

Any offers?

Best,
Coilín.

by The Cat Sat Jul 08, 2006 20:26

D. Nazi,

tell it to the victims of Saddam. Oh you can't, they're dead.

by Coilin Sat Jul 08, 2006 20:38

1. Invasion of Iran.
2. Invasion of Kuwait.

Will he be prosecuted for these? If not, why not?

Best,
Coilín.

by Coilin Sat Jul 08, 2006 20:42

It is because we love Americans that we think you should bring your troops home to their families.

Ten good reasons to love America:
1. Mark Twain.
I first read Huckleberry Finn when I was about 11 years old, and I read it again for the second time recently. Probably e greatest work of satire I've ever read. Alternately disturbing, moving and painfully funny in the way it presents Huck's and Jim’s thoughts on slavery.

2. Ultimate frisbee.
Like basketball, Ultimate frisbee is a non-contact sport that requires skill and stamina more than brute force. I'm looking forward to playing in the Ultimate summer league starting in Dublin 17 July, and I expect to have at least one American on my team, as I did last year.

(Beginners welcome! Just e-mail dublinsummerleague at yahoo dot ie for more details!)

3. Jazz.

4. Muhammad Ali.
Several times heavyweight boxing champion of the world, if Ali had been a young man today, he might have said: "I ain't got no truck with the Mehdi Army."

5. Pecan pie.
“Mrs. Trillin’s pecan pie, so nutritious and delicious
Will make a wild man mild and a mild man vicious.”
- Calvin Trillin

6. Free speech.
Enshrined in the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States as follows: "Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Free speech is what entitles Americans and Irish people alike to express our contempt for the policies of George W. Bush, who has promised my generation war without end. Some patriotic Americans don't want to criticise the president in time of war, but just remember that Dubya is the one who got you into this mess in the first place.

America deserves better!

7. Howard Zinn.
Historian who wrote A People's History of the United States. Probably the most interesting and enjoyable history book I ever read.

8. CODEPINK
CODEPINK is a women-initiated grassroots peace and social justice movement working to end the war in Iraq, stop new wars, and redirect our resources into healthcare, education and other life-affirming activities. CODEPINK rejects the Bush administration's fear-based politics that justify violence, and instead calls for policies based on compassion, kindness and a commitment to international law.

“We began in the onset to war in Iraq in 2002, as President Bush was telling us all to be afraid: CODE ORANGE! Duct tape your windows shut! CODE YELLOW! Saran-wrap everything in your freezer! We decided we needed to open a space for women to respond with love, humor and spirit: we decided that America needed CODEPINK.”

http://www.codepink4peace.org/

9. Elvis.
Truly needs no introduction!

10. Samuel Goldwyn.
Born to a Jewish Polish family, he became a naturalised citizen of the United States in 1902 and went on to give his name to the MGM film studio.

Some of his memorable quotes include the following:
- Having lost sight of our goal, we must redouble our efforts.
- We can't get a volunteer army unless we draft it.
- We will keep on fighting until the violence ends!
- I would much rather prefer to be non-committal.
- Include me out!

Best,
Coilín.

by Seán Ryan Sun Jul 09, 2006 05:38

Here's a link to the story about a knife being brought through Shannon Warport on two occasions, as I promised earlier. Still waiting on the other piece to be added.

Exposed: airport security failures. - http://limerickleader.ie/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=34...14266

I spose it's only fair - considering that we allow Americans to transport weapons also.

by Anti Dictators Sun Jul 09, 2006 17:39

"tell Saddam's victims... oh, they're dead..." very true...
His invasion of Iran was unprovoked, and supported by European, American and Arabian governments, with arms, money, military and intelligence support, refuelling facilities (Kuwait and Saudi Arabia) and compliant media reports.

More Iraqis died from UN sanctions than from the war, as the "benevolent" members of the UN Security council denied Iraq the basics to maintain healthcare, water and swerage systems, and that's before you figure in the DU disasters.

So, for all those dead Iraqis, and dead Iranians of Saddams "Whirlwind war" and the sanctions there should be a sense of shame that more people are not standing next to Saddam in the dock, how about Rumsfeld for example who contnued to support and meet Saddam even after the gassing of Halabja? The British government extended further export credit to Hussein after that incident.

Incidentally, the Americans provided Hawk Missiles and other equipment to the IRANIANS during the same war at the same time that they were helping Saddam. US spook Robert McFarlane, and Oliver North headed up the delegation and travelled to Tehran on IRISH PASSPORTS, McFarlane used the cover name SEAN DEVLIN. I forget what name was on Oliver North's Irish passport US spooks had stolen passports from the Irish Embassy in Athens, and then doctored them. (by the way North was briefly detained at SNN wth a false Irish passport, but very quickly allowed to continue).

So, lets not pretend that the US had no hand, act or part in arming the countries that they now attack (and act confused when they are not welcome)
I'm sure the commission on the arms deals paid for quite a few people's holidays too, but the dead and the bereaved care little for those profiteers.

If you're going to condemn Saddam Hussein, don't develop amnesia about his accomplices.

The US and Britain were more than friendly to the Shah of Iran during the worst excesses of the SAVAK secret police, with all their torture, rape and execution. They complained about the SAME behaviour from Ayatollah Kohomeni, not because of human rights, but because of geo-poltical interests. All the moral grandstanding from London and Washington rings very hollow in the ears of Iraqis and Iranians old enough to remember the 70s and 80s. When the Shah had people tortured, he used the same lies to justify it as Saddam did, as Stalin did, as Khomeni did, and as George W Bush does now... are we to judge them on what they do, or just how much we lust after the scraps from their tables?

by The Cat Mon Jul 10, 2006 12:30

A Dictators, I was replying to D. Nazi, who was making a point comparing SNN workers and Nazi concentration camp workers. The Americans were not mentioned. Do not presume to lecture me on who is playing what angle out here in the ME.

by Rail tracks and runways. Mon Jul 10, 2006 12:51

I think D Nazi made a fair point... sarcastic, but fair.
A10, (who likes to pretend he is ex military, and works at Shannon) argued that the US military business pays for his holidays.
D Nazi satirised him, by presenting that argument from the point of view of someone who helped ship people to concentration camps...

I think it was one of the Plowshares, who made the comparison and contrast that In Nazi Germany, the rail workers sent the people to their deaths, by pulling levers to send train loads of jews, gypsies, homosexuals, off down the tracks to the camps, whereas in Ireland, we help send the death to the people, by fuelling, parking and giving airspace to planes carrying troops, bombs and CIA torture squads.

At least the Germans would be able to argue that they didn't refuse to do this because they were in fear of the Gestapo. What excuse do the Irish have?

by The Cat Mon Jul 10, 2006 13:02

"planes carrying ... bombs"

Ah, no, not really. Not at all in fact.

by Cat Laughs Mon Jul 10, 2006 13:27

So as far as you are concerned, the only thing coming through is troop flights?

Only half the US military flights through Shannon were carrying troops. The rest were military cargo.

Partially censored court documents show that the Gardai were informed of explosive cargo being brought through Shannon. so, in fact... yes.

by The Cat Mon Jul 10, 2006 14:03

Cat Laughs,
Explosive ordnance can be anything from a nuclear warheads to .22 rounds, so ah, no actually.

by Cat laughs Mon Jul 10, 2006 19:16

some of the things not blacked out included cruise missiles... it's a matter of public record, they are government documents, they were produced in court and accepted as evidence and the State did not contest their veracity. Continue to live in fantasy land if you wish, but the facts are still the facts. I'm getting bored of you though... Do you have any comment on the CIA stuff which the story above actually deals with, or do you plan to post distraction after distraction?

And why is this story listed as a consumer issue? I assume that was a clumsy click on the mouse by the author?