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Worldwide Scholars Petition Irish Govt to Stop Tara/Skryne M3 Motorway

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A statement addressed to the Government by scholars worldwide concerned about the construction of a motorway through the Tara/Skryne Valley.

The following statement is an expression of the worldwide concern about the routing of the M3 through the Tara/Skryne Valley. It stresses the importance of the landscape and the negative impression of Ireland likely to ensue from a decision to build the motorway through this landscape:

‘Over the past number of years the debate regarding the routing of part?of the M3 motorway through the Tara/Skryne Valley has concentrated on archaeological, economic and traffic considerations. As teachers and researchers of various disciplines including Celtic Studies, Irish History, Irish Literature, Historical Geography, Theology, Linguistics, Archaeology and Anthropology we feel compelled at this stage to widen the discussion beyond archaeological considerations. The weight of anthropological, archaeological, historical and literary evidence proves that Tara is a site of special significance and of international importance from early history to the present. Indeed this was acknowledged by two Taoisigh, Eamon De Valera who visited the Hill of Tara when excavations were undertaken there in the 1950s and Charles Haughey when he initiated the Discovery Programme in the early 1990s. The flagship project of the state-funded Discovery Programme since then has been the Tara Projectundertaken by scholars such as Edel Bhreathnach and Conor Newman. The existence of a wider landscape beyond the Hill of Tara can be clearly deduced from Ireland’s extensive medieval historical and literary sources. To deny this wider definition of Tara amounts either to ignorance or wilful misinformation.??We ask the Government to pose the question: is it an enlightened decision?to knowingly take this landscape - the premier landscape within Ireland ?since the Neolithic period - and cut a motorway through it? How can it be?justified in what is now one of the richest countries in Europe that such a?sensitive landscape is destroyed rather than subjected to proper landscape?management that would change it into an economic asset - as has been done?with the comparable landscape of the Boyne Valley? If the motorway is?constructed as currently planned, what does that say to the world about the?cultural sensitivity of the Government???We appeal to the Government to take an enlightened step and reverse the decision to route the M3 through the Tara/Skryne Valley. In a cultural context, such a move would demonstrate to the world Ireland's mature approach towards balancing necessary infrastructural development with the preservation of its valuable heritage.’??
Signed,

Lindsay Allason-Jones, Director of Archaeological Museums and Reader in Roman Material Culture at the University of Newcastle upon Tyne, England
Dr Barbara Regine Armbruster, CNRS, Université de Toulouse le Mirail, France
Professor Martin Biddle F.B.A., Medieval Archaeology, Hertford College, Oxford, England
Dr Grigory Bondarenko, Institute of World History, Russian Academy of Sciences, Moscow, Russia
Dr Jacqueline Borsje, Celtic Studies Research Institute for History and Culture,
University of Utrecht, The Netherlands
Dr Angela Bourke, Roinn na Nua-Ghaeilge, UCD
Dr Robert Boyce, Dept of International History, London School of Economics, England
Dr Damian Bracken, Dept of Early Irish History, UCC
John Bradley, Dept of Modern History, NUIM
Professor Dr Dorothy Ann Bray, Dept of English, McGill University, Montreal, Canada
Dr Edel Bhreathnach, Mícheál Ó Cléirigh Institute, UCD
Professor Richard Bradley FBA, Dept of Archaeology, University of Reading, England
Dr Caoimhín Breatnach, Dept of Modern Irish, UCD
Professor Pádraig A. Breatnach, Professor of Classical Irish, Dept of Modern Irish,
UCD
Dr Lise Bakke Brondho, Administrative Head of Studies at the Dept of Linguistics and Scandinavian Studies, University of Oslo, Norway
Professor Finbarr Bradley, Dept of Economics, NUIM
Dr Aidan Breen, Research Fellow, Monasticon Hibernicum Project, NUIM
Professor Mairéad Browne, Emeritus Professor, University of Technology, Sydney, Australia
Abigail Burnyeat, Ceiltis agus Eòlas na h-Alba / Celtic and Scottish Studies, Oilthigh Dhùn Èideann / University of Edinburgh, Scotland
Dr Cornelius Buttimer, Irish Dept, UCC
Dr Cyril J. Byrne, C.M. Co-ordinator of Irish Studies, Saint Mary's University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
Dr Marian Campbell, Dept of Metalwork, Victoria & Albert Museum, London, England
Professor Nicholas Canny, Academic Director, Centre for the Study of Human Settlement & Historic Change, NUIG
Dr Ewan Campbell, Senior Lecturer, Dept of Archaeology, University of Glasgow, Scotland
Professor Thomas Charles-Edwards, Jesus Professor of Celtic Language and Literature, University of Oxford, England
Dr Nina Chehonadskaya, Moscow State University, Faculty of History, Dept of Ancient Languages, Russia
Professor Howard Clarke, School of History, UCD
Dr Michael Clarke, Dept of Classics, NUIM
Dr Ann Coakley, Dept of Sociology, NUIM
Dr Elizabeth Coatsworth, Manchester Institute for Research and Innovation in Art and
Design, Manchester Metropolitan University, England
Dr Mary Condren, Centre for Gender and Women’s Studies, TCD
Professor Kathryn Conrad, Associate Professor of English, University of Kansas, USA
Dr Mary Corcoran, Dept of Sociology, NUIM
Dr Laurence Cox, Dept of Sociology, NUIM
Professor Raymond Cormier, Visiting Professor of French, Longwood University, USA
Professor Michael Cronin, Director, Centre for Translation and Textual Studies, Dublin City University
Professor Barry Cunliffe, Professor of European Archaeology, University of Oxford, Institute of Archaeology, England
Bernadette Cunningham, Mícheál Ó Cléirigh Institute, UCD
Professor Ceri Davies, Dept of Classics, Ancient History and Egyptology, University of Wales, Swansea, Wales
Dr David Denby, Applied Language and Intercultural Studies, Dublin City University
Dr Gwendal Denis, Head of Dept of Breton, University of Rennes, France
Dr Peter Denman, Dean of the Faculty of Arts, NUIM
Dr Ranke de Vries, Dept of Celtic Studies, University of Utrecht, The Netherlands
Dr Hazel Dodge FSA, Louis Claude Purser Senior Lecturer in Classical Archaeology, School of Classics, TCD
Dr Charles Doherty, School of History, UCD
Brian Donovan, Eneclann Ltd/Archive CD Books Ireland
Professor Ann Dooley, University of Toronto, Canada
Dr Linda Doran, Member, Group for the Study of Irish Historical Settlement
Mr. Bill Doran, Member, Group for the Study of Irish Historical Settlement
Professor Doris Edel, Professor Emeritus, Celtic Language and Civilisation, University of Utrecht, The Netherlands
Professor Susan Downey, Professor of Art History, Member, Archaeology
Program, UCLA, USA
Dr Stephen T. Driscoll, Senior Lecturer, Dept of Archaeology, Glasgow University, Scotland
Dr Nancy Edwards, Dept of History and Welsh, University of Wales, Bangor, Wales
Dr David Edwards, Dept of History, UCC
Dr Huw M Edwards, Adran y Gymraeg / Dept of Welsh, University of
Wales, Aberystwyth, Wales
Dr Colmán Etchingham, Dept of History, NUIM
Dr Nicholas Evans, School of Celtic Studies, Dublin Institute for Advanced Studies
Dr Alexander Falileyev, The Ancient Celtic Place-Names of Europe and Asia Minor Project, Dept of Welsh, University of Wales, Aberystwyth, Wales
Joe Fenwick, Dept of Archaeology, NUIG
Professor Eric Fernie, President, Society of Antiquaries of London, England
Dr Thomas Finan, Director of The Center for International Education, Webster University, St Louis, Missouri, USA
Dr Joanne Findon, Dept of English Literature, Trent University, Canada
Dr Marie-Therese Flanagan, School of History, Queen’s University, Belfast
Geraldine Fogarty, University of Toronto, Canada
Dr Katherine Forsyth, Dept of Celtic, University of Glasgow, Scotland
Professor Roy Foster, Carroll Professor of Irish History, University of Oxford
Dr James E. Fraser, Lecturer in Early Scottish History and Culture, University of Edinburgh, Scotland
Dr Barbara Freitag, School of Applied Language and Intercultural Studies, DCU
Associate Professor Helen Fulton, Dept of English, Pro-Dean, Faculty of Arts, University of Sydney, NSW 2006, Australia
Dr Anna Gannon, University of Cambridge, England
Dr Inge Genee, Celtic Studies, Dept of Modern Languages, University of Lethbridge, Canada
Dr Raymond Gillespie, Dept of History, NUIM
Dr Angie Gleason, Celtic Studies/Medieval History, TCD
Nick Griffiths FSA, Wilton, England
Professor J.J. Lee, Glucksman Ireland House, New York University, New York, USA
Giselle Gos, University of Toronto, Canada
Professor Jean-Paul Guillaumet, Directeur de Recherche, CNRS, Dijon, France
Dr Anne Haour, British Academy Postdoctoral Fellow, Tutor for Archaeology & Anthropology, Hertford College, Oxford, England
Dr Niamh Hardiman. IRCHSS Government of Ireland Senior Fellow, Governance Research Programme, Institute for the Study of Social Change (ISSC), Politics Dept, UCD
Dr Anthony Harvey, Royal Irish Academy, Dublin
Mr Andrew Hawke, University of Wales Dictionary of the Welsh Language, Aberystwyth, Wales
Dr Jane Hawkes, Centre for Medieval Studies, University of York, England
Dr Marged Haycock, Reader, Dept Welsh, University of Wales, Aberystwyth, Wales
Dr Deana Heath, Dept of Modern History, TCD
Dr Máire Herbert, Roinn na Sean agus na Meán-Ghaeilge, UCC
Professor Michael Herren, Celtic Studies/Centre for Medieval Studies, University
of Toronto, Canada
Professor Ronald Hicks, Professor of Anthropology, Ball University, Indiana, USA
Dr Roisín Higgins, Humanities Institute of Ireland, Belfield, UCD
Dr Richard Hobbs, Curator of Romano-British Collections, The British Museum, London, England
Dr Rijcklof Hofman, Project Moderne Devotie, Tutus Brandsma Instituut, The Netherlands
Dr Martin Holland, Dublin
R.E. Hutton, Historical Studies, Bristol University, England
Kicki Ingridsdotter, Celtic Section, Uppsala University, Sweden
Aideen Ireland FRSAI, FSA, President, Royal Society of Antiquaries of Ireland
Edward F. James, Professor of Medieval History, UCD
Dr Bart Jaski, Celtic Studies, University of Utrecht, The Netherlands
Máire Johnson, University of Toronto,
Dr Elva Johnston, School of History, UCD
Professor Catherine Karkov, Dept of Art, Miami University, Ohio, USA
Professor Fergus Kelly, School of Celtic Studies, Dublin Institute for Advanced Studies
Dr Patricia Kelly, Dean, Faculty of Celtic Studies, UCD
Professor S. D. Keynes, Dept of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, and Celtic, Faculty of English, Trinity College, Cambridge, England
Birthe Kjolbye-Biddle, Winchester Research Unit, Oxford, England
Professor José Lanters, Dept of English, Wisconsin, Milwaukee, USA
Dr Angela Leahy, School of Applied Language and Intercultural Studies, DCU
Dr Kevin Leahy, FSA, North Lincolnshire, England
Dr Brigitte Le Juez, Senior Lecturer in the School of Applied Language and Intercultural Studies, DCU
Dr Marion Loeffler, Canolfan Uwchefrydiau Cymreig a Cheltaidd / Centre for Advanced Welsh and Celtic Studies, Llyfrgell Genedlaethol Cymru / The National Library of Wales, Aberystwyth, Wales
Dr Magorzata Krasnodêbska-D’Aughton, Míchéal Ó Cléirigh Institute, UCD
Professor Pierre-Yves Lambert, Researcher in Celtic Studies (CNRS), Professor of Celtic Philology (EPHE, Paris), Paris, France
Simon Lambrecht, Roinn na Sean agus na Meán-Ghaeilge, UCC
Dr Gary Lock, Institute of Archaeology, University of Oxford, England
An tOllamh Mícheál Mac Craith, Ollamh le Nua-Ghaeilge, Scoil na Gaeilge, NUIG
Dr Séamus Mac Gabhann, Dept of English, NUIM
Dr Arthur MacGregor, Ashmolean Museum, University of Oxford, England
Professor Séamus Mac Mathúna, University of Ulster, Coleraine
Dr Ailbhe Mac Samhráin, Research Fellow, Monasticon Hibernicum Project, NUIM
Gerald Manning, Dept of Early and Medieval Irish, UCD
Gilbert Markus, Dept of Celtic, University of Glasgow, Scotland
Dr Sonja Marzinzik, Medieval & Renaissance Gallery Project, Victoria & Albert Museum, England
Francanko Matasovic, Dept of Linguistics, University of Zagreb, Croatia
Anna Matheson, University of Toronto,
Dr Chandana Mathur, Dept of Anthropology, NUIM
Carmel McCaffrey, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Maryland, USA
Dr John McCafferty, Director, Mícheál Ó Cléirigh Institute, Arts Faculty, UCD
Dr Brendan McConvery C.Ss.R., Dean of the Faculty of Theology, St. Patrick’s College, Maynooth
Dr Aine McGillicuddy, School of Applied Language & Intercultural Studies, DCU
Professor Neil McLeod, Murdoch University, Australia
Roisin McLaughlin, School of Celtic Studies, Dublin Institute for Advanced Studies
Dr Bernard Meehan, Trinity College Library, TCD
Professor Daniel Melia, Celtic Studies, University of California, Berkeley, USA
Dr Tatyana Mikhailova, Faculty of Philology, Dept of Germanic and Celtic Philology, Moscow State University, Russia
Professor Brent Miles, University of Toronto, Canada
Connell Monette, University of Toronto, Canada
Dr Kevin Murray, Roinn na Sean-Ghaeilge, UCC
Professor Joseph F. Nagy, Dept of English, University of California, Los Angeles, USA
Robin Netherton, Editor, Medieval Clothing & Textiles, USA
Professor Carol Neuman de Vegvar FSA, Ohio Wesleyan University, USA
Dr Máire Ní Annracháin, Roinn na Nua-Ghaeilge, NUIM
Dr Muireann Ní Bhrolcháin, Celtic Studies, NUIM
An t-Ollamh Próinséas Ní Chatháin, Ollamh Emeritus, Roinn na Sean-Ghaeilge, UCD
Dr Máire Ni Chíosáin, Dept of Linguistics, UCD
Dr Máirín Nic Eoin, Roinn na Gaeilge, Coláiste Phádraig, Droim Conrach
Professor Máirín Nic Dhiarmada, University of Toronto, Canada
Dr Aisling Ní Dhonnchadha, Roinn na Nua-Ghaeilge, NUIM
Professor Máirín Ní Dhonnchadha, Dept of Old and Middle Irish, NUIG
Dr Jenifer Ní Ghradaigh, School of Celtic Studies, Dublin Institute for Advanced Studies
Dr Máire Ní Mhaonaigh, Dept Anglo-Saxon, Norse & Celtic, University of Cambridge, England
Dr Máire Ní Neachtain, Roinn na Gaeilge, Coláiste Mhuire gan Smál, Ollscoil Luimnigh.
Dr Meidhbhín Ní Úrdail, Dept of Modern Irish, UCD
Conor Newman, Dept of Archaeology, NUIG
Dr Feargal Ó Béarra, Acadamh na hOllscolaíochta Gaeilge, NUIG
Professor Breandán Ó Buachalla, Professor of Irish Language and Literature, Keough Institute for Irish Studies, University of Notre Dame, USA
Dr Maeve O’Brien, Dept of Classics, NUIM
Dr Emmett O’Byrne, Mícheál Ó Cléirigh Institute, UCD
Dr Tomás Ó Carragán, Dept of Archaeology, UCC
Professor Tomás Ó Cathasaigh, Henry L. Shattuck Professor of Irish Studies, Harvard University, USA
Professor Eamonn Ó Carragáin MRIA, Dept of English, UCC
An tOllamh Séamus Ó Cinnéide, Centre for Applied Social Studies, NUIM
Dr Breandán Ó Cíobháin, An Foras Duibhneach, Ceann Trá, Co. Chiarraí
Dr Eamon Ó Cíosáin, Dept of French, NUIM
Dr Colmán Ó Clabaigh OSB, Míchéal Ó Cléirigh Institute, UCD & Glenstal Abbey, Limerick
Dr Kieran O'Conor, Dept of Archaeology, NUIG
Professor Donncha Ó Corráin, Dept of Early Irish History, UCC
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author by not an eminent acedemicpublication date Wed Apr 20, 2005 13:25author address author phone Report this post to the editors

While i am against the road through the Tara-Skryne valley (on the basis of environmental as well as "heritage" reasons) i think serious questions need to be posed as to the approach that values acedemic opinion over everything else.

Why is Tara important?
As a subject of acedemic research?
Because a bunch of (mostly upperclass male) acedemics say so?

Why do we keep seeing lists of eminent acedemics who are against the road and not the people from the local area who will have this road built in their back yards?

Do you need a PHD to feel a connection to the past (and not want it to be built over for the interests of private capital)
or just to be the disembodied voice that tells us that we should

author by obviously notpublication date Wed Apr 20, 2005 13:41author address author phone Report this post to the editors

you've voiced your opposition here as have many other regular citizens like myself, if you go on any of the protests against the m3 you meet many more some locals some not, many have already made their opinions clear to the minister and govt. reps, so this is just academics coming together to voice theirs in a unified manner, whats the problem?
all walks of life are involved which is the way it should be obviously some have more expertise in some ares than others and they are simply unifying that, there is strength in numbers!
but at the next foot protest come along you never know who you'd bump into!

author by .publication date Wed Apr 20, 2005 14:39author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Nobody knows because no-one has asked them. Funny how there have been zilch polls on the issue except for crooked ones run by the local businessmen isn't it

author by renpublication date Wed Apr 20, 2005 15:24author address author phone Report this post to the editors

a poster above quite rightly asks about the importance of local input, in fact those who support the road always point to local support. Surely it is their choice and not that of academics and others who do not have to live in the area or commute through it. This misses the point.

Tara belongs to everyone in ireland and to humanity as a whole, we have a duty to explore and fully understand such an important landscape. In that sense it is not owned by the people who live there, in fact it is not owned only by the people of ireland, it is of international importance and owned by all of humanity, i'm sure people in ireland would object to a new motorway roundabout cutting through calvary in the centre of the jerusalem or an airport terminal on the site of the sistine chapel, how about tiered parking up one side of the pyramids at giza.. how about we in dublin put up checkpoints to stop countyfolk entering our fair city without temporary visas because they are driving up property prices, sure it would help solve the problem but it would be deeply selfish and counterproductive. Should we allow commuters destroy our heritage just so they can save a bit of time getting to work. Does the poster above believe such objections are baseless because we don't live nearby. In the longer term what benefits to tourism are being thrown away for a quick fix solution to the problem of urban sprawl and long distance commuting.

Progress and history do not have to be at loggerheads, the italians and the greeks do a far better job of conservation (not perfect mind you), research and infrastructure building in sensitive areas than us, rome and especially athens preparing for the olympics are prime examples.

The vandalism proposed at Tara reeks of anti intellectualism, no counter arguements will be heard and all objections are being brushed aside as the airy fairy rantings of hippies, this is deeply objectionable, anyone who stops to think for a minute is labelled a luddite fool. Personally i find this offensive, it leads to a stifiling of discussion and leaves two deeply divided camps entrenched in their opinions. How can encouraging such a standoff be seen as the sensible and cost effective solution.

author by Terrypublication date Wed Apr 20, 2005 18:58author address author phone Report this post to the editors

The first poster is dead right. This reeks of elitism.

author by peacestand - earthpublication date Wed Apr 20, 2005 19:55author address author phone Report this post to the editors

when will they get it~what you do to the web you do to yourself~learn from the mistakes of my lame ass country the good ole' us of A
Protect Tara

author by peacestand - friend to the little peoplepublication date Wed Apr 20, 2005 19:59author address author phone Report this post to the editors

I thought Ireland respected the "little people"
they will have the last laugh~why is man so so ignorent still~merry meet

author by Johnpublication date Wed Apr 20, 2005 20:10author address author phone Report this post to the editors

You are all elitist. The truth is the vast majority of residents in Meath want this motorway. All polls say so. At the Meath bye-election, pro-M3 candidates got over 70 per cent of the vote. If you dispute this, then let's have a referendum on the issue, either a local referendum in Meath or a national referendum, whichever you prefer. Just agree to abide by the result.

author by Paul Baynespublication date Wed Apr 20, 2005 20:12author address author phone Report this post to the editors

By all means widen the opposition to the motorway through Tara.
By all means ask that locals are involved more.
By all means get more than just "upperclass male" people involved.

But why undermine a large petition against the motorway? There's a dismissive rather than a critical tone to some of the posting above. Isn't the left divided enough?

author by eeekkkkpublication date Wed Apr 20, 2005 20:13author address author phone Report this post to the editors

they are flak generators for dickie boy

author by not an acedemicpublication date Wed Apr 20, 2005 20:16author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"Surely it is their [locals]choice and not that of academics and others who do not have to live in the area or commute through it. This misses the point.Tara belongs to everyone in ireland and to humanity as a whole"

I completely agree that Tara belongs to everybody and not just people in the local area. The point i am attempting to make is that when all we see are lists of acedemics who are against the road (and how many of them were on demonstrations or out with petitions?) it is as if their opinion is more important, more valid than everyone elses.

If Conor Newman says Tara is important and should not be destroyed why should that carry more weight that someone who lives near tara and sees it as an important part of their heritage.

I dont have a problem with acedemics speaking out about the destruction of cultural heritage. Its important. But when they speak as disembodied experts who want to save their next reseach project or somehow think that because because they know more about bronze age funery practice than you or i that that makes their opinions more valid then i have a problem.

author by R. Isiblepublication date Wed Apr 20, 2005 20:46author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Interesting that so many of the names on the petition are women. Does their signing the petition automatically make them male?

I wonder what other assumptions we can make about them? Let's see, upperclass - check; elitist - check; three-legged - check; baby-eating - check.

Ok, I've seen enough. I completely dismiss the petition without having read a word about what these so-called experts have to say. After all what do they know?

I know more than anyone else and anyone that attempts to know more than me is elitist and bad.

author by in the countrypublication date Thu Apr 21, 2005 00:18author address author phone Report this post to the editors

I had my leg amputated by a tree surgeon,
I'm fine, except he chopped off the wrong one,
(he was white too),as people in the land of lame asses say "go figure"

author by Compare and contrastpublication date Thu Apr 21, 2005 10:44author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"Cairo-Giza motorway to pass through valley of Kings"

"Ikea MS carpark on stonehenge site"

"New Pan American Highway intersection to go through Nazca Plains".

How much would it matter if the locals wanted to get their cars to cairo quicker at the cost of the pyramid of Khufu? The same locals regret the stripping of the pyramids glorious outer masonry by their ancestors , used for the construction of their homes.
The locals arent the only ones who have a say. Like it or not tara/skyrne is part of the wider heritage of Europe (and the world to a certain extent).

building roads at these costs is pretty shortsighted anyway, in 20 years time half the cars will be off the road because we wont be able to afford to fuel them (at least not with petrol anyway). Then we'll be sorry. We'll have loads of empty roads and no money left for trains or anything else economically useful. Oh , and no cultural heritage, and worst of all the shame that we squandered it. No pride, thats what he future holds for Ireland, no pride in what we did.

author by Deirdre Clancypublication date Fri Apr 22, 2005 02:07author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Were academics not to engage with issues, I am sure the poster(s) above would be equally irritated and accuse of them of a lack of involvement in the wider society. I believe that sometimes academics can't win (and I am not one, by the way, so I've no axe to grind).

Why complain when academics organise a petition, and not when it is done by groups from other professions, such as nurses, or construction workers, or school students? Why is it elitist just because it happens to be a group of scholars? They have as much of a right to air their views as a professional, organised group as any other group! The inverted snobbery that says they shouldn't is somewhat nonsensical, and also reeks a little of anti-intellectualism. If you read the list carefully, you will see that women are well represented on it, by the way.

Academics, in particular archaeologists, who are aware through their years of work of the significance of Tara to our heritage, are well placed to make an impact on this issue, and I for one am glad they are having a say. The bottom line is, they have studied sites like Tara for years - the rest of us for the most part haven't. On this issue, the word of archaeologists and Irish scholars carries authority. This does not mean that the views of the rest of us don't matter, and I don't think there's anything in the letter that would indicate that. They have a right to their standpoint, just as you have a right to yours.

author by Seanpublication date Tue May 17, 2005 11:14author address author phone Report this post to the editors

'building roads at these costs is pretty shortsighted anyway, in 20 years time half the cars will be off the road because we wont be able to afford to fuel them (at least not with petrol anyway). Then we'll be sorry. We'll have loads of empty roads and no money left for trains or anything else economically useful. '

-Very well predicted. The wide-scale tendency amongst Irish commentators to instantly dismiss anthing related to history, culture or art in favour of convenience is an indicator of the lack of social and cultural development in this country. A few more decades of properity might well iron out this caveman naivity but by then it may be too late to save the irreplaceable heritage that has been destroyed in the interim.

author by Sheena McDonaghpublication date Wed Nov 09, 2005 10:48author email sheena.mcdonagh at ntlworld dot comauthor address author phone 07779851739Report this post to the editors

I am outraged that the Irish Governement is even considering allowing this plan to be heard!

The sacred places of the world are just that, sacred. Every blade of grass, every tree is sacred, but the history of our people is also something to treasure.

The wilfull destruction of ancient monuments and the "Disneyfying" of the world is deplorable. These sites should be left alone for the people and the ancestors.

author by Clíodhna Murphy - The Irish Peoplepublication date Thu Jun 21, 2007 21:44author address author phone Report this post to the editors

I am just fifteen, yet I was completely disgusted when I heard of former Minister Dick Roche's actions. How could he even entertain the notion of building an unnatural, man-made thing over a part of the soul of Eireann? It is these monuments that seperate us from Britain, America and every other country in the world, it is these that supply us with our ancient wild Irishness in the midst of a civilised Western society. It is these monuments that make the quiet thudding in the heart that is being Irish. And we swap this, our very identity, for a creation so ordinary, a motorway? Roads don't make people. How dare the Government destroy the bit of Eire we have left. And for what, the "Celtic Tiger"? For more money? For effiency? Our Government, especially the Green Party, do not understand what it means to be Irish.
Mise le meas, do chara.

Back to Bebo and whatever else it is that us teenagers do. Drugs and stuff.

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