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Up the ALF!
There was a factory in the US burnt to the ground last week on the grounds that they were
...wait for it...
... polluting the air ..
(burnt to the ground)
Ha Ha Ha
Reminds me of when the ALF released all the little furry mink savages from the fur farm to ravage the indiginous wildlife for a season or two and eventually die.
Hearts are in the right place but ....
stupid.
It is quite disgusting that Britains richest vivisectionists would provide £25 million to combat animal rights campainers and describe them as subversives.
Recently Professor David Holmes, who has some connection with the proposed Oxford Lab, was asked if cameras would be allowed in. His body language and reaction was quite predictable and spoke volumes as to what would be going on there.
Any sane person with the slightest nature in them knows that there are biological links with our fellow creatures and that there is also no necessity for animal experiments in this day and age.
Unfortunately there is usually an endless supply of staff willing to service these establishments and we only have to be aware of the 'Unit 731' of the Japanese Army Doctors who post-mortemed human guinea pigs in plague experiments, in Manchuria, whilst they were strapped down and fully concious, to be aware the depths of depravity that lurks within human kind.
No war crime trials ever took place regarding 'Unit 731' as the data from the experiments was exchanged and traded to prevent this by the so called Western Democracies of that period.
People who support vivisection should see an experiment that was carried out on a monkey. His head was removed and artificially kept alive and concious on a tripod for three days and when a swab of liquid was put to its lips it's wee tongue came out and licked it.
This was most sickening and disgusting to see and totally unexceptable in this day and age. I would be convinced that British people would not stand for it.
Furthermore, if the Government supports this cruelty, it speaks volumes for the state of the economy when corporate bubbles can only be maintained through the suffering of animals.
The Home Secretary, Mr Blunkett, if he allows this vivisection by bringing in legislation in support of it, should be ashamed of himself as he relies on 'mans best friend' to assist him in daily life.
Why dont they go away and give the 25 million to the homeless or indeed fund non invasive non animal testing research.
Believe it or not the animal rights movment is fast becoming the most effective, most popular most strong minded movement on this planet.
Come on guys the animals need us all......and believe it or not we;re just warming up ;-)
Why is Jerry Vlasek a californian animal rights activst being banned from Britan ?Vlasek claims there is a "moral justification" for using violence and killing of vivisectionists.
Why are the animal nazis preparing to conduct a training camp in Kent UK on the following subjects self defence,sabotage of hunts and shoots, and undercover infiltration. This is being organised by Greg Arvery a animal nazi with previous criminal convictions.
Very peaceful sounding indeed.
the FBI was right in declaring the ALF as the second most dangerous threat in the US after Al Quieda.
The sooner the rest of the EU govts move against these people the better.
Censor this Indymedia,because it doesnt fit the policy of PC speak
Did you support the war in iraq (at any time, even when the weapons of mass distruction lie was still possible to believe)
Our glorious leaders proclaim that the War in iraq was morally justified because it was killing for a cause (rhetorically, our protection and the freedom of the surviving iraqi people)
There are reams of philosophy treaties on the subject of Just war Theory, when exactly is a war justified. (or more to the point, when is the killing and violence that takes place in war justified)
The general consensus is that a war is sometimes justified to defend yourself from aggression, or to defend an innocent party from destruction by a beligerant nation.
Certain animal rights activists engage in theoretical discussion about their cause. They suggest that it might be justified to harm a small number of people in order to spare millions of intelligent, sensitive animals from brutal torture, degrading treatment and death solely for the profits of self interested individuals and corporations.
Of course, mainstream discourse refuses to engage with this discussion because we value 'stability' over everything else. So what if it's wrong, it'll be too desruptive to change things. (the same justifications against the ending of slavery)
From the Animal nazis. What the animal rights nazis are doing are terrorist tactics.By that I mean they want to use violent means to coerce people into their way of thinking.IE be vegan,and give unsentient beings as much rights as humans.So we have a minority group trying to force their opinions on a majority,by force if necessary.Actually the way any dictatorship[like the way Iraq was run,and by the current terrorists disrupting its attempts at recovery] works.
BTW have we forgotten the WMDs find in the shells and roadside bomb of a few months back?all the nerve gas and whatnot that supposedly not there in Iraq???
Vlasek banned himself from the UK by advocating criminal acts.Why do the animal nazis need a training camp?You never hear of anglers or hunters or whatever setting up paramilitary training camps to teach sabotage and terror tactics. So much for your theory chat shop.
Another strawman arguement ,the slavery arguement. Read some US history on the civil war in the US.it had not very much to do with slavery or blaxk emcipation,rather with the loss of a large chunk of real estate and resources.Slavery still exists in the world as well. "
Were this war about only the freedom of the negro,I would gladly offer my sword to the Southern cause." Gen Ulysses S Grant cmdr of the Union forces.
why so upset about the bounty issue?Should consider yourselves now ranked with Al Aueida as quite an achivement.
You prove to me that Animals are unable to experience emotion or to think for themselves and then I'll stop supporting Animal Rights campaigners.
The 'WMDs' in Iraq, one shell that went off and didn't even injure anyone hardly qualify as a justification for war.
But that's got nothing to do with my arguement. The point is that you supported the invasion of Iraq which meant the inevitable death of innocent civillians. You justified this action in your own twisted mind because you percieved that Iraq was a threat to your safety or that Saddam was a threat to his own people.
Therefore you do not have an ideological objection to 'the end justifies the means' and you are not fundamentally opposed to harming other people to achieve that end.
Animal rights activists consider the willful torture of millions of animals to be a horrific crime and something that needs to be stopped. They are trying to stop it politically, academically and through direct action. So far direct action has been very successful.
Vlasek advocates criminal acts only because the crimes he opposes are not recognised by the establishment.
Criminal acts are not necessary wrong. It is not always wrong to steal, for example, if you saw somebody having a heart attack and there was no-one else around, you might be tempted to steal a car and drive the person to the hospital.
If you see a large man attacking a small man for no apparent reason, you might decide to intervene to protect the weaker person by assaulting the large man. Assault is a crime.
Animal rights activists sometimes have to break the written law to protect helpless creatures from violent slaughter and torture.
"You prove to me that Animals are unable to experience emotion or to think for themselves and then I'll stop supporting Animal Rights campaigners"
Doesn't work that way. If your going to support terrorism, the onus is on you to prove that they do experience emotion and think for themselves.
Animals clearly have emotions and intelligence. Dogs are capable of dreaming, Lab rats are capable of solving complex problems (that's why they're so good to experiment on)
I have never seen a single convincing non dogmatic philosophical arguement that suggests humanity has a soul/mind and animals do not.
Any suggestion that an animal only reacts in a pre-programmed way to external stimuli is also applicable to the way a human behaves.
The only difference between Humans and animals is one of degree. We happen to be more intelligent than animals. This does not maki it ok for us to torture and abuse them. It is not inconcievable that there is an alien race in existance somewhere in the universe who are more intelligent than we are. Would this justify them coming here and experimenting on us for their own benefit?
"Dogs are capable of dreaming"
Hee hee. How do we know this? Did your dog say to you "Shit man, I had the weirdest dream last night". Or are you just making a bald assertion without evidence to back it up?
Animals should not be treated cruelly. But this is because cruelty is a bad thing, not because the animals have any rights. Rights are a human concept, and can be understood only in a human context. Do animals have property rights? Free speech rights? If arrested, do they have the right to remain silent? Do they get pissed off when these rights aren't upheld?
If animal testing is immoral, it's no worse than eating meat, and is far less prevalent. Any argument used to justify direct action against testing can equally be used to justify direct action against every butcher, resataurant or grocery shop in the country. You up for that?
Occurs in dogs and other large mammals when they are dreaming.
All those rights you mentioned are artificial and easily given or taken away. Animal rights activists propose that animals be granted the right to be treated with respect.
most activists would prefer to end all animal farming as well, I personally would settle for a society where animals farmed for their meat are given a decent life while they were still alive and slaughtered humanely. I don't view life as absolutely sacred. Death does not harm the individual who dies.