'No one is Illegal!'

by steve cohen - No One Is Illegal group Sat Apr 24, 2004 12:07 raysteve at cohen70 dot freeserve dot co dot uk

Dear Friends. A group of us in England have producd a Manifesto against immigration controls - "NO ONE IS ILLEGAL". You can find it on our web site at : http://www.noii.org.uk
We would welcome your comments

by patrick - none Tue Apr 06, 2004 13:23

we are talking about immigrants, can u have a logical debate about immigration in ireland without talking about us war planes. any way i see u encourage an open door policy and that is your right however if reports are true of thousands of people abroad wishing to claim assylum in ireland are true, how are we going to provide free healthcare, education and housing for all! as you advocate, it cant happen.

by hooded idiot Tue Apr 06, 2004 13:04

nothing.

they'd only be forced to lie due to the fact that fortress europe continues to set ever higher hurdles for refugees.

does economic oppression not mean anything to you idiots? if someone is going hungry thanks to the unfair practices of rich countries like ireland shouldn't they be allowed to come here in an attempt to survive?

the good immigrant/bad immigrant argument is just xenophobia attempting to sound reasonable.

NO ONE is illegal

by Quesitoner Mon Apr 05, 2004 16:49

what should happen if a person claiming to seek assylum from tyranny or human rights abuses lies?

by Child Mon Apr 05, 2004 16:26

Hi Mahesh,
Firstly to answer your 'childish' condesending attitude: I have grown up and I'm no child at nearly 30 years of age.

As for "Shouting MY slogans in CAPITALS - yes your right it doesn't neccesarily make it true"- but it does have the effect that typing in capitals is supposed to have and that is to emphasise something!

If you lived in the real world you know that immigration control is racist. Allowing in the rich and privilged people and the capital of industry (Both in and out: for your reference check N.I.B. scandal, Tom Gilmartin, Cahrles Redmond- City Manager, Larry Goodman and Beef deals, etc, etc,...where's the control on them?)

You say its "about controlling who you allow to come into the state - every country does the same." Since they let in the rich and keep out ordinary immigrants then going by your above statement and logic (JUST SO YOU READ IT THIS TIME I'LL PUT IT IN CAPITALS...THEN...IMMIGRATION CONTROL BY YOUR ARGUMENT IS RACIST!)

Oh and Just because every country does it doesn't make it right- so thats a failed logic!

"Those who are here contrary to the laws of the state are illegal and they should go back where they came from"
Sorry what political party did you say you were from again?? FF PD FG??
So you when have you called for the jailing of corrupt policicans last? they've cost the satte more than immigrants and over time immigrants bring social and financial gain to a country- all that the rich fat cats do is steal!
CONDEMN THE FAT CATS- JAIL THEM!
DON'T BALME REFUGEES OR ASYLUM SEEKERS!

by hooded idiot Mon Apr 05, 2004 16:08

"There's nothing racist about controlling who you allow to come into the state"

Um, yes there is you fucking twat.

What, you think Ireland is so fan-fucking-tastic that scores of people are moving here for the craic? You think it's so easy to leave your home, your friends, even your family behind that people would do it without a real need to do so?

Fuck off back to your sheltered little life, where you don't have to worry about things like reality

by Mahesh Mon Apr 05, 2004 15:56

Grow up, child.

There's nothing racist about controlling who you allow to come into the state - every country does the same. Those who are here contrary to the laws of the state are illegal and they should go back where they came from.

by Miss Depoint Mon Apr 05, 2004 15:50

To Mahesh,

"If they come to another country without permission then they are illegal..."

Says who? Who decides that a human being (I should remind you!) is illegal??
Yes you go it in one- government- the smae governments that decide that capitla can move where it wants went it wants and US warplanes can fly though here when they want.

All of human existance is defined by movement from place to place!
What gives corrupt racist governments in 2004 the right to overturn history!

"All these bogus assylum seekers are giving genuine immigrants a bad name"

Economic, political whatever- Immigrant is an immigrant....
Defend Immigrants
NO TO RACIST REFERNDUM!

NO TO RACIST BORDER CONTROLS!

JOBS, HEALTH CARE, EDUCATION + HOUSES FOR ALL!

NO HUMAN IS ILLEGAL!

by Mahesh Mon Apr 05, 2004 09:19

If they come to another country without permission then they are illegal.

All these bogus assylum seekers are giving genuine immigrants a bad name.