Quadriplegic in wheelchair assassinated by helicopter gunship

by avi H. Mon Mar 22, 2004 12:45

to a dangerous, pyschopath. What is it about Arab culture that gives power to loonies, (e.g. Assad, Ghaddafi, Saddam, Arafat, Yassein, etc. etc.)?

This man would not accept the existence of Israel, stating that the peace process was no substitute for Jihad. He was responsible for inciting and planning numerous bus and cafe bombings in Israel. He was continuing to do this when he was killed, so his death has saved many lives, as far as Israel is concerned.

As for the idea that somehow this is an escalation: how much worse can it get for us Jews, with pizzeria and bus atrocities already? What are we supposed to do if the PA fails to stop these people (which it was obligated to do under the Road Map)? Just allow the terrorists a free hand to murder us?

Hello? I don't think so...

by kokomero Mon Mar 22, 2004 13:06

If you had bothered to read my post you would have seen from the interview with him that he was not psychopathic, nor was he a threat to Israel unless "thought-crime" carries the death penalty in Israel?

The guy was in a wheelchair, the Israelis knew his movements and had jailed him before, so if he was a threat he could easily have been arrested.

He could only have put up verbal resistance as he was a paraplegic.

Exactly what should the PA have done, to stop the activities (TALKING) of a blind paraplegic?

Even your own sorry excuse for a "democracy" has some modicum of "free speech"?

Let's face it this was an act of barbarism by your government and was calculated to provoke a response from Palestinian militants given the raids, killings and other acts of provocation over the past few weeks hadn't been working to their satisfaction.

Perhaps Sharon is really looking for an excuse not to pull out of Gaza given the hostile reception it received from his coalition partners?

It is a mystery to me why your government would actually seek to INCREASE the number of attacks by such acts rather than talking.

Perhaps you could explain this unique Israeli "logic"?

by Earth Citizen Mon Mar 22, 2004 13:26

Avi, the same question could be asked about American culture - what it is about it that gives power to loonies like Gearge Bush (either), or it could even be asked about Israel, how they gave power to a looper like Sharon.
Indeed, giving power to lunatics seems to be a fairly generalised thing, and not confined to any one culture or nation. I suppose it is inevitable that people who are deranged are more pushy in reaching for power than the average person.
Having said all that, I do not necessarily accept that any or all of the individuals you have named fit into the psycho-lunatic category. They may, or may not, but you cannot just pick out one culture or racial or ethnic group, and judge them on a racist basis.

by righteous pragmatist Mon Mar 22, 2004 13:37

Assad, Ghaddafi, Saddam, Arafat, Yassein
are NOT psychos?
Is Hannibal Lector a psycho?
Was Jeffrey Damner?
Ted Bundy?
Adolf Hitler?
V. I. Lenin?
Stalin?
Ceaucescu?
Mao?

Who qualifies then?
Of course the insane left reply - BUSH!

This obssession is because you hate America and you hate freedom you hate the FACT that capitalism is the greatest force for the expnasion of freedom and democracy in the world.
The tired dead and dying forces of marxism and islamic fundementalism cannot achieve anything.
Only psychos would say otherwise.

by Earth Citizen Mon Mar 22, 2004 13:49

Righteous git, please note that I used the word "necessarily". Perhaps you cannot read properly, or more likely you deliberately choose to misinterpret what I said. It does not fit into your racist scenario.
I was not only picking out Bush, I could also pick out many more, but he is the most powerful one at the moment.

by John Soothsayer Mon Mar 22, 2004 14:36

We had it coming and now the fat psychopath has opened the gates of hell with his filthy corrupt hands. The west will collapse and its precious oil based economy will disintegrate in the conflagration to come.

BRING ON THE STONE AGE.

by Gaillimhed Mon Mar 22, 2004 16:13

Bush IS a psycho,
and yes .. I do hate freedom, oh for fuchs ache! just try and say that out loud without laughing.
Piss off righteous pragmatist, there is no bottom to my contempt for what you pass off as your opinion, i look forward to the day your precious US is finally 'balkanised', broken up into about 20 or so harmless nation states so it can never terrorise the globe again.

And Avi's a rampant racist who should not be tolerated, dont answer his provocations.

by mj12 Mon Mar 22, 2004 16:21

rightous pragmatist, since you've psychologically assessed him and found him wanting the qualities most sought in top businessmen.

by jeff Mon Mar 22, 2004 17:11

you wouldn't be talking bout Leon Klinghoffer? Ah, noo, sure he was pushed off a ship by the PFLP. Ah well, poor old Yassin, now he won't be able to give a spiritual mandate to suicide bombers, what a pity...

I wonder why, though, the Israelis did not do this earlier...

by Sandra Corrigan Mon Mar 22, 2004 20:17

I'm so glad that evil preacher of hatred was rubbed out. That scumbag deserved it. Sharon is saying to Hamas "bring it on!" and they're hopping mad. Hee hee!!

The sooner these terrorist scumbags are eradicated the better.

by David C. Mon Mar 22, 2004 23:47

Israel has deliberately thrown gallons and gallons of petrol onto a blazing bonfire.

Yassin was a symbol, not an operational leader, and his killing is intended solely to enrage and humiliate the Palestinians further. It has nothing to do with preventing terrorism. It would be like Germany assassinating Queen Elizabeth during late WW2 in order to prevent the fire-bombing of its cities. Killing Yassin is intended only to provoke and enrage, and it will do that.

Sharon and his ilk are fighting peace tooth and nail. They will do *anything* to prevent peace. I urge all decent, moral people to evacuate Israel as soon as possible. Israel in 2004 is like Germany in 1938 - a racist, sociopath state that worships force and power and who sees peace as weakness. There is no excuse to stay. Israel is marching very deliberately towards the ultimate evil.

Avi H. says that Yassin's killing "has saved many lives". Wait and see, Avi. Wait and see.....

by nerraw Tue Mar 23, 2004 00:03

I don't see why the author of the first post is fixated on the fact that he was in a wheelchair. Doesn't make him any less dangerous

by R Isible Tue Mar 23, 2004 00:12

You see it's hard to see how a mostly blind quadriplegic could constitute such a threat that it is necessary to use a helicopter gunship to kill him (and three other people that were near him). Mostly advocates of state-sanctioned murder of people that haven't been given a trial will argue that it's justified if the person constitutes an "imminent danger" to others. It's just like the illegal assault on Iraq: very dodgy if there is a provable threat and completely appalling if there is no provable threat. In this case it was a person who is alleged to be a "mastermind" of some sort and to have "given his blessing" to "terrorists". None of those things constitue an "imminent threat" so don't go eating your own propaganda: it'll make you sick and stupid.

by David C. Tue Mar 23, 2004 00:52

Yassin was a quadriplegic who followed the same schedule and route every day, in full view of the Israelis. He did not hide and he did not try to protect himself. He was completely and totally helpless, which is partly why his assassination will motivate his many, many followers so very powerfully, just as Israel desires.

Israel clearly wants 4 million people with absolutely nothing left to lose to "bring it on". Why? Think about this...Does Israel imagine that the Palestinians will give up? That they will surrender? That they will go away? That they will submit? Of course not. Israel is not led by stupid people.

Like their Nazi fathers before them, the Israeli Likudniks are marching towards a 'final solution'. They want to follow in the footsteps of their Nazi creators by exterminating and ethnically cleansing Palestinians by the millions, for 'lebensraum'. This is their plan. Their deep respect for their German fascist role models leads them onwards. They fantasize about eliminating millions of innocent men, women and children - thereby creating 'lebensraum' for the master race using their glorious power. This is what they seek. This is their plan. This is their deliberate intention.

To do this they need to bring the conflict to a higher level, which is why they assassinated Yassin.

They want to "bring it on

by Jew Tue Mar 23, 2004 07:46

of the Irish newspapers on May,1,1945 :
probably something like that:

"A parkinsonisn old-man was driven to commit suicide with his wife by soldiers"

by Garman Lach Tue Mar 23, 2004 08:26

That inference of anti-Semitism is rhetorically bankrupt.

Jewish friends of mine from america, some academics, think that ''Might is right' is the policy of Nazis, and the policy of sheron and Bush'. See Logos.com.

Narrow, selective, right-wing bias is boud to side with a culture of domination, but at least put a bit more thought and relevance into it than that rhetorical shite. .

by Garman Lach Tue Mar 23, 2004 08:38

awake now

by avi H. Tue Mar 23, 2004 10:07

Go on! Try the link: you'll find it really helpful !!

by kokomero Tue Mar 23, 2004 10:09

When Israel has shown itself to be morally bankrupt in blowing a man in a wheelchair to pieces when he could easily have been arrested and imprisoned as many militants are?

This was a calculated provocation by Sharon the mass-murderer and bribe-taker whom Israelis have chosen to head their "democracy" and this latest action by him is a very poor reflection on them and the mandate they gave him.

Europe needs to act now to bring the Israeli rogue state to heel as it did to the Serbs when they engaged in the same policies of ethnic cleansing in Kosovo.

We cannot have double standards in these matters and economic sanctions must be introduced against Israel now before they inflame the whole middle-east. Regieme change is required and it will come in Israel as it did in Serbia when they found themselves staring into the economic abyss!

In the meantime every orange, avocado or packet of Israeli herbs bought helps to buy missiles and bullets used to kill Palestinian civilians so boycott Israeli products when you see them in the shops!

by kokomero Tue Mar 23, 2004 10:16

Israel under the occupying power under International law is obliged to provide security, NOT the Palestinians.

It is perfectly obvious from the facts on the ground that the Israelis are incompetent and a complete failure in this regard and in fact seem hell bent on inflaming the situation. The sooner matters are taken out of your hands as they were in the Lebanon, the better!

The only way you can blame the PA for this mess you find yourselves in is if you pull back to the pre-1967 borders and things continue as they have once the PA is in charge of its own independent state.

by By Any Means Necessary Tue Mar 23, 2004 10:29

..in 1986 to break the secular nature of the PLO.
The chickens are coming home to roost.

It makes me sick hearing the apologists of the racist and supremacist Isreali state calling all who support Palestinian freedom anti-semitic, are not the Palestinians semites as well ?
You do not know your history. Zionism is not Judaism.
The Isreali state is the one of the strongest reasons why anti-semitism exists today.
Genocide and aparthied carried out in the name of a mono- religious state..is the reason for the hatred of the Isreali state, not base anti-semitism.
Pro-Zionists aside, they have as much credability as Holocaust denialists..the debate with in Isreali society may be kicked off by Sharon's criminal act...support the refusniks

by gaillimhed Tue Mar 23, 2004 11:23

Religious zionists (Jewish and Christian) have had their fingers on the button for years now, how far they are willing to go to achieve their aims only time will tell,
but their aims are no secret, lebensraum is a perfect description, and their means to that end appears to be following a similar policy. Palestine looks to me like one gigantic Warsaw ghetto. With the final touches being put to the wall the Final solution must be just around the corner.
So will it be Gods will once again, fire from heaven and another race wiped out to make room for His 'chosen' people.
God must be dead.
Avi, How many jewish children will die on the streets of the promised land over the coming months because of the israeli governments most recent provocation?
How many more of their palestinian cousins will be killed in return. Sharon says he is saving lives.

by Paul Moloney - Me, only me. Tue Mar 23, 2004 13:01 paul_moloney at hotmail dot com

"The Isreali state is the one of the strongest reasons why anti-semitism exists today. "

Considering the Holocaust, the various auto-da-fes of Jews in medieval Libson and elsewhere, and the myriad of pogroms across Europe (and yes, in Ireland) in the past millenium, anyone Jewish might be forgiven for thinking "you mean they _liked_ us before Israel"?

P.

by kokomero Tue Mar 23, 2004 13:25

The Israeli state is a racist apartheid state which discriminates against its' own Muslim citizens within its' own borders. It has also been waging a war of terror against the Palestinians whom it expelled from their land in the 1948 pogrom and has subjected to cruel and degrading occupation ever since.

Given this background it is hardly surprising that there continues to be a backlash against the apalling behaviour of the Israeli state and its agencies which includes state sanctioned murder, internment, torture and other human rights abuses.

What is surprising is that many otherwise intelligent people can refuse to accept any criticism of such behaviour on the basis of completely seperate crimes that were perpetrated against them (the Israelis) by others (ie not the Palestinians) in the past and continue to attempt to dilute the crimes of the Israelis using these same acts as justification like the ultimate "get out of jail free" card!

This is both cynical in the extreme and also assumes that anybody who is not pro-Zionist is manifestly stupid and unable to judge the facts for themselves!

by John Hawkins Tue Mar 23, 2004 14:54

As most of you probably already heard, Israel turned wheelchair bound Hamas founder Sheik Ahmed Yassin into a pile of twisted wreckage & red pulp with a missile last night and I could not approve more strongly of what they did...well scratch that, had they put a few missiles into Arafat's compound so that Yassin would have someone to chat with in hell, that would have been an improvement.
Yassin was the founder & leader of a group that has murdered hundreds of Israelis & has killed Americans as well. Hamas has openly proclaimed that their goal is not living in peace with Israel, but genocide. So who cares if Hamas is now saying they are going open up the "gates of hell" over this attack? That's what they try to do every day of the week, it's their raison d'etre. When you're dealing with people who have that sort of mentality, the question isn't "should you kill them at every opportunity," it's "why shouldn't you kill them at every opportunity"?
But of course, the Europeans have an answer to that questions...
"The European Union rounded angrily on Israel on Monday for killing Hamas spiritual leader Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, warning that his assassination was "very bad news" for the Middle East peace process.
EU foreign ministers appealed for restraint on all sides after Yassin's killing in an Israeli helicopter strike, which they called an illegal act that would only fuel bloodshed and further hinder Middle East peace efforts.
"The assassination... has inflamed the situation," they said in a statement. "Violence is no substitute for the political negotiations, which are necessary for a just and lasting settlement."
EU foreign policy chief Javier Solana said: "The manner in which you fight terrorism is through the law. This was an illegal act under international law.
"This is very, very bad news for the peace process," he added."
Look, there is no "peace process". There cannot be "political negotiations" or a "peace process" which features one side that considers genocide to be a condition of peace. You don't make peace with people like Yassin, Abu Abbas, or Yassir Arafat. You kill them or they kill you and "international law" which is an irrelevant joke under the best of circumstances doesn't have anything to do with it. You can talk about "violations of international law" all day long, but since no one is going to enforce it, it's just as meaningless as those tags on your mattress that say "do not remove under penalty of law".
So since there is no "peace process" to speak of, "international law" means nothing, & terrorist groups like Hamas & Islamic Jihad intend to kill as many Israelis as possible no matter what happens, Israel should not hesitate to kill every Palestinian terrorist they can, Arafat included. Nobody with half a brain in the US is crying any tears over Al-Qaeda terrorists who get gunned down or blown away with hellfire missiles, and there's not a dime's worth of difference between any member of Hamas or Al-Qaeda. The more of them that get locked up or preferably killed, the safer civilization is....

by Jew Tue Mar 23, 2004 15:46

that when they, from time to time , have been offered to join with their land , villages & cities to ""palestine"" intead of living under the "racist" "apartheid" state of israel their zionist identity is suddenely discovered...
"Poor" muslims citizens of israel hate israel but they are more affraid to become citizens of arab country...

by By Any Means Necessary Tue Mar 23, 2004 16:12

..of the extreme right and zionism is surely high lighted by these last posts.

Content to lie about the Palestinian people, millions of which have lived in Arab countries..exiled from their homeland..happy to justify ghettoisation and aparthied on these people..just as was imposed on European Jewery for centuries..gleefully condoning the use of state terrorism..seeing the response to oppression as the cause..

This unholy alliance...zionists with racists and the far right..the same class of people who used yellow stars and pogroms to reinforce their politics is sickening in its hypocrisy..
and ultimately self defeating.

by kokomero Tue Mar 23, 2004 16:30

and will not be leaving their land willingly or become the victims of Zionist genocide willingly. They know that the only defence when faced with genocide is offence as the Israelis of all people in the world should know but choose to ignore. Israel has brought this misery upon itself and chooses to ignore international law and as such is not worthy of any sympathy. Choose life and talk before it is too late!

by Leon Tue Mar 23, 2004 17:04

Or was it a clean hit.

by Leonie Tue Mar 23, 2004 18:28

Several deaths - aye very clean.

by Common Sense Tue Mar 23, 2004 21:00

Israel is a safer place today thanks to the elimination of the evil satan.
Yassin may have been almost blind and a paraplegic but the Britsh no 2 is the fomer and none the less powerful for his disability For a paraplegic Yassin had a very active willy fathering 11 children.
The doors to hell have been open for Israelis for the last 3 years so any rhetoric is just that - rhetoric
Korei is the most relieved man in the region as now he has only one obstacle to peace left -his boss Arafat.

by David C. Tue Mar 23, 2004 22:26

#1: Israel's government clearly doesn't want a *one-state solution* - Jews are outnumbered by Arabs in Israel and the occupied territories.

#2: Israel's government clearly doesn't want a *two-state solution* - they have deliberately and systematically removed that option by destroying infrastructure, building walls, extending settlements, etc

#3: Israel's government clearly doesn't want a negotiated peace with the Palestinians - they despise the Oslo accords and regret the peace that it brought, they provoke the Palestinians at every opportunity - from Sharon's 2000 walk to the mount to Yassin's killing. They clearly WANT the conflict to continue.

#4: Israel's government clearly wants lebensraum at all costs - they extend the colonization of the occupied territories relentlessly.

So what are they thinking? They MUST have a plan - they're not stupid. As far as I can see there are 4 options:

They will seek the physical extermination of millions of Palestinians.
or
They will seek the forced ethnic cleansing of millions of Palestinians (they call this 'transfer')
or
They will seek a reduction of the Palestinian birth rate by forced sterilization (poisoning, etc)
or
They will seek to force Palestinians to give up and leave en mass by making Palestinian life unbearably miserable (continued humiliation and harassment, reducing the water supply, etc, etc).

I honestly and sincerely cannot see any other option that the Israelis might be considering. Can anyone here suggest an alternative view of what the Israelis see as the 'endgame'? Any suggestions?

by IRSP - Irish Republican Socialist Party Tue Mar 23, 2004 22:42 irsp at netwiz dot net

The International Department of the Irish Republican Socialist Party today condemned the assassination of Hamas founder and leader, Sheikh Ahmed Yassin. Sheikh Yassin was killed along with his son and two Hamas fighters when the Zionist occupying Palestine blew up the car they were driving in with an air-to-ground missile.
Irish Republican Socialist Party
22 March 2004

IRSP: Zionists Wall Up the Living, Pile Up the Dead

The International Department of the Irish Republican Socialist Party today condemned the assassination of Hamas founder and leader, Sheikh Ahmed Yassin. Sheikh Yassin was killed along with his son and two Hamas fighters when the Zionist occupying Palestine blew up the car they were driving in with an air-to-ground missile.

"While the Irish Republican Socialist Party has made no secret of its support for the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine as the Palestinian revolutionaries most similar to itself in seeking to wed the national liberation struggle in Palestine with the struggle of the working class for socialism," said a spokesperson of the IRSP's international department, "and disagreed with Hamas on many programmatic issues, we nonetheless salute the resolve demonstrated by Sheikh Yassin consistently in resisting the Zionist occupation of Palestine.

"Sheikh Yassin sought a sectarian, religious state, whereas the IRSP remains strongly secularist and anti-sectarian. Sheikh Yassin was a life-long opponent of the secular, Pan-Arabist, and socialist views that once informed many anti-imperialist movements throughout the Arab Nation, beginning with his opposition to the anti-imperialist regime of Gamal Nasser. These are not views we share and we do not wish to misrepresent ourselves on these matters. That having been said, however, we recognise that the Zionist occupation of Palestine also represents a sectarian, religious state, one that exists to provide a surrogate for the imperialist powers of Europe and North America. The Israeli Zionists enslave and murder the people of Palestine, destablise the entire region, and help to perpetuate some of the most reactionary regimes existent today in the Middle East through their presence.

"Despite our differences, we salute the courage and determination of Sheikh Yassin in resisting the Zionist occupation, as well as resisting the false 'peace' talks though which Israel sought to entrap the Palestinian nation. There is only one kind of peace that Israel seeks for the nation of Palestine, and that is the peace of the dead. The wall they are presently constructing is intended to serve as a tomb for the Palestinian Authority and the Palestinian nation. This cannot and will not be allowed to happen.

"For many throughout Palestine, Sheikh Ahmed Yassin was an incarnation of the militant resistance to the Zionist occupation." In closing, the spokesperson said, "The IRSP express our solidarity with them, in this hour of their grief and salute the unwavering resistance they and the whole of the Palestinian people have waged."

ENDS

by avi H. Tue Mar 23, 2004 23:39

You're an idiot.

by David C. Wed Mar 24, 2004 00:39

*You're* the one who has to run away from serious discussion!!! Sorry, Avi - I don't do name-calling.

by kokomero Wed Mar 24, 2004 09:41

As usual we get lots of posturing from you Avi with your Galil, you must be compensating for something?? Seriously though if you want us to understand rather than rally against your outbursts of unsubstantiated bile you might try to answer some of the questions posed to you. It won't hurt you and might actually force you to confront some of the skeletons in your Zionist cupboard.

by Northern Eye Wed Mar 24, 2004 10:46

Seriously Avi, thats some of the tricks the Nazis pulled and seeing as the Zionists are the true successors of Hitler why do you think such things so outlandish? Just open your eyes and see whats happening. Gaza is the new Warsaw gettho and Israel surely has a plan of expulsion or extermination for the Palestinians, its just waiting for the right climate which is why so much provocation. If anything is Satan its that blind illusion that its wrong for say, the Nazis to murder Jews but okay for Jews to murder Palestinians. Try and see the wood for the trees.

by Paul Moloney Wed Mar 24, 2004 13:05 paul_moloney at hotmail dot com

I would love to see an independent viable Palestinian state side by side with Israel also. Plus I think that Sharon is quite possibly guilty of war crimes. However, as far as I'm aware, no Palestinian has yet been turned into a lampshade, and the Israeli government hasn't put in any orders for suspiciously big ovens lately.

P.

by Northern Eye Wed Mar 24, 2004 14:50

Yeah, they (Zionists) haven't been goose-stepping around and wearing crooked crosses either. Dosen't mean the evil isn't basically the same. Please try and make better points in future - that one was silly and idiotic and a waste of my time.

If Israel is allowed to continue pushing its agenda without international action to stop it wait until you see how far the abyss opens up.

by Paul Moloney - [email protected] Wed Mar 24, 2004 17:24

So, the Israelis are Nazis, except they haven't set up concentration camps, or burned a few million Palestinians, many alive, in ovens, or stuffed pillows with their hair, or carried out forced medical experiments on them, or forced them to have orgies at gunpoint. _Apart from that_, they're Nazis. Thank you for clearing that up.

http://www.parascope.com/gallery/galleryitems/holocaust/

Someone should recommend some WW2 history books to you; then perhaps you might stop making such facile comparisons that only end up alienating moderates from the Palestinian cause. Then again, I bet you think your parents are FASCISTS because they make you eat all your dinner before dessert.

If you are actually a clairvoyant and have seen the above future, please let us know.

I get the impression you think the Nazis are only considered to be so bad because they dressed horribly.

Is there anyone here who's capable of seeing both sides, or should it really be called Extremymedia?

P.

by Paul Moloney - [email protected] Wed Mar 24, 2004 17:25

So, the Israelis are Nazis, except they haven't set up concentration camps, or burned a few million Palestinians, many alive, in ovens, or stuffed pillows with their hair, or carried out forced medical experiments on them, or forced them to have orgies at gunpoint. _Apart from that_, they're Nazis. Thank you for clearing that up.

http://www.parascope.com/gallery/galleryitems/holocaust/

Someone should recommend some WW2 history books to you; then perhaps you might stop making such facile comparisons that only end up alienating moderates from the Palestinian cause. Then again, I bet you think your parents are FASCISTS because they make you eat all your dinner before dessert.

If you are actually a clairvoyant and have seen the above future, please let us know.

I get the impression you think the Nazis are only considered to be so bad because they dressed horribly.

Is there anyone here who's capable of seeing both sides, or should it really be called Extremymedia?

P.

by kokomero Wed Mar 24, 2004 17:47

While no Palestinian has been turned into a lampshade yet nor has the Israeli government put in orders for big ovens lately.

What the Israelis have done is to:

1. prevent Muslim citizens from marrying whom they wish
2. impose curfews on Muslims in the West Bank and Gaza
3. expropriate the property of residents of the West Bank and Gaza
4. imprisoned the population of the West Bank and Gaza in what looks suspiciously like a concentration camp comptete with 7m walls, barbed wire and armed guards with orders to shoot to kill
5. condemn Muslims to live in ghettos where they have no means to earn a living and hence condemn them to starvation (I refer you to the latest UN and Red Cross reports)
6. Murder their political opponents rather than arrest them
7. display utter contempt for non-Israeli human life killing innocent civilians, ISM activists and journalists in cold blood and then trying to deny everything
8. harass Muslim civilians at every possible opportunity while going about their normal daily activities making it impossible for them to obtain an education and in many cases making it impossible for them to recieve urgent medical attention resulting in scores of unnecessary deaths

Do you regard this as the behaviour of a "democratic" state Paul?

To me it looks very similar to the first steps the Nazis took. What is different I will freely admit is that the Palestinians are not taking this lying down and are defending themselves from obliteration before it is too late!

To my mind Nazi is as Nazi does and the fact that such behaviour on the part of a "democratic" state is tolerated and even excused by certain quarters should be a concern to us all!

by Northern Eye Wed Mar 24, 2004 17:52

I hear you're some craic.

Do you honestly think if the israelis were let of the leash they woundn't do old Adolf proud? If they weren't under the worlds microscope and were given a free hand to do as they want with the Palestinians you don't have to be a prophet (don't be silly son) to know what would happen. You don't exactly have to copy the Nazis deed by deed to be as abominable as them but its pretty obvious that Zionists come from the same stable of thinkers. Just go and read the horrible book that spawned them and which they use as the reason for the continued occupation of Palestine (the Bible) in which genocide, mass rape and enslavement are all held up as rightous for Jews to visit upon their enemy, but sure thats okay as they're this god fellas favorites anyway.

by Leon Wed Mar 24, 2004 17:57

The first one is a lie.

The Israelis have not prevented people from marrying who they choose; however they don't grant residence to the spouses of Israeli Arabs if they are Palestinian.

This is clearly a racist piece of legislation when contractsed with the treatment of Jews (though Israel is riddles with racist laws and practises) but it is not the same as
". prevent [ing] Muslim citizens from marrying whom they wish"

As the very first line of Kokomero's list is a lie I suppose we can discard the rest too.

by kokomero Wed Mar 24, 2004 18:03

the intent of the racist law is to prevent Muslims from marrying whom they wish do you? It is a race law no matter how it is dressed up and we've seen them in the past and know the road this leads down!? I challenge you to refute the other points as I'd like to see some more of your conorted Zionist reasoning ... I need a good laugh!

by Leon Wed Mar 24, 2004 18:11

So you deny that the intent of the racist law is to prevent Muslims from marrying whom they wish ...

The intent of the law is to maintain a Jewish majority in Israel. It is a racist law and Israel is a racist state.

When you call people Nazis (and draw a series of clumsy paralells) hyperbole is dishonesty.
I'm not going to go through your list because the very first line of it was a subtle little lie. Anyway I don't need to you're shown up as a liar already.

by Northern Eye Wed Mar 24, 2004 18:30

So because you don't agree with the wording of one statement then you think any other statements coming from this person can't have a basis in reality? Thats sensible. Don't you realise what reality is? What really happens? Its not just a word game were you can decide what is and what isn't just because you don't happen to agree with one particular thing written in a statement. Absolutely insane.

by kokomero Wed Mar 24, 2004 18:31

as you are obviously in denial and are incapable of seeing what motivates Sharons government and seemingly 80% of Israelis if opinion polls are to believed. No doubt you will be equally blind when the suicide bomber comes for you and if you survive you will be unable to see what motivated him. As they say an eye for an eye! I rest my case that Israel is a racist state which behaves in a way which if unchecked will lead to a holocaust for the Palestinians. We tolerate this behaviour at our peril!

by David C. Wed Mar 24, 2004 19:58

I still don't understand the Israeli long-term plan. If the zionists could wave a magic wand and make their wish come true, what would it be? Please tell us Avi. What does the zionist's 'final solution to the Palestinian problem' look like?

by Garman Lach Thu Mar 25, 2004 07:31

final solution would probably be:

1. send most of the reamining Palestinians in the Occupied Territories across to Jordan.

2. Keep 20% for easily controlled cheap labour supply - as in Israel itself.

3. Get secure supply of fresh water as supplies are running out in the region.

4. start up an empire on behalf of their patrons - set up a few vichy regimes and the like...


The Bible is a supremicist piece of work, and some Irish people see this first hand in another Bible-based culture of domination, andother of
I'god's own/chosen people'. Coherent or logical argument can be frustrating, and often impossible, because, like the Bible, their worlview is riddled with contradictions; and unreasoned EMOTION is the last refuge of the historically immature.

by Ali H. Thu Mar 25, 2004 14:05

The Consequence of Killing Sheikh Yassin
Israel's Assassinations Will Only Fuel Suicide Bombings

By STEVE NIVA

Not everyone in Israel was jubilant following Israel's assassination of the much reviled Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, the founder and spiritual leader of the Palestinian militant Islamic group Hamas.

Israel's Interior Minister Avraham Poraz, who voted against assassinating Yassin in the security cabinet last week, warned after the attack that many Israelis could pay with their lives for the assassination.

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by Ali H. Thu Mar 25, 2004 14:33

And by all accounts one who recognises what he sees and finds no need to try an excuse it or accuse others who do so of anti-semitism.

"Sharon needs a war, a big one, something that will allow him to go wild, to go out of control, to initiate a campaign in which Israeli soldiers will become murderous squads ready massacre against the Palestinian civilians.

Sharon wants to re-launch the 1948 Nakba. Sharon fully understands that this is what the Israeli public want. He is very good at reading their innermost desires.

Sharon was just recently pretending to suggest a plan of Israeli disengagement from the Gaza strip. Today he gave us a real chance to peep into his mind. The 'disengagement plan' was just another of Sharon's tricks.

The killing of Sheikh Yassin pushed the violence far beyond any recognisable measure. It is pushing the Palestinian masses towards martyrdom. According to the Israeli military doctrine, Israel would never be defeated by terror. But at the same time every Israeli realises that the Zionist adventure will be categorically defeated by a demographic crisis. The assassination of Sheikh Yassin is there to push the Palestinians towards acts that will allow the Israelis to impose the most murderous measures against the Palestinian civilians. Mr Sharon, a world acclaimed war criminal and serial murderer proved again that at least when blood games are concerned, he is one step ahead of the game.

For those who fail to realise, today's barbaric Israeli act is an open call for a world war. It is the final wake up call for every Muslim around the world. It is violent proof that Israel isn't only against the Palestinians but rather against Islam. Israel killed a prime spiritual leader on his way out of the mosque. I have no doubt that this Israeli act won't be forgiven.

This is exactly what Israel wants: to turn the entire world into a victim of terror. This might help us to realise the main difference between the Israeli left and right. While both believe in the right of the Jews to live in Zion at the expense of the Palestinian people, the Israeli right wing rely on maintaining a bloody struggle, oppressing the Palestinian people (in particular) and humiliating Arabs (in general).

In fact, Sharon and the Israeli right wing need the Palestinians, they need them oppressed and humiliated, they need their terror. Israeli right wing hegemony is fed by terror. And now there is a new need emerging. Israel is faci"ng a demographic disaster. Within five years there will be a Palestinian majority in the territories controlled by Israel (between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River). This is literally the end of the Zionist dream. Eventually Israel will have to give away its Jewish identity. While the Israeli left remains confused about this reality, the Israeli right wing is fully prepared. For years Israeli warmongers have openly discussed 'transfer': the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people. Considering the current world affairs and general opposition to Israel it is hard to believe that large scale ethnic cleansing would go ahead unless some colossal catastrophe was in place. "

by Northern Eye Thu Mar 25, 2004 22:35

'Everytime we do something, you tell me America will do this and do that. I want to tell you something very clear. Do not worry about American pressure on Israel;

we, the Jewish people, control America. And the Americans know it.'

Ariel Sharon to Shimon Peres during an argument at the Knesset, October 3, 2001.

by hee hee hee cackle cackle ho ho ho Thu Mar 25, 2004 23:25

it is impossible to get it back in.

any rundimentary knowledge of Cats will teach you that, but you didn't bother with that, you just tortured them.

tsk tsk tsk.

by Northern Eye Fri Mar 26, 2004 11:33

You're an awful turn.