Ahern 'always assumed Adams was IRA member'

by Killian Forde Thu Feb 26, 2004 18:34

John, I am trying to get my head around your logic of this one.

Bertie says he always assumed that Gerry Adams was a member of the IRA. Ok, thats a personal hunch.

You say "Bertie is speaking the truth" - correct, Bertie, if he always did actually assume that Gerry Adams was a member of the IRA and said today thats what he believes, then yes "Bertie is speaking the truth".

But to then extropolate that because Bertie says that he belives Gerry Adams was in the IRA and he "is speaking the truth" (your words) then Gerry Adams must have been in the IRA.

Brillaint!!!

John, this is really very pathetic.

Tomorrow headlines;

"Bertie says that he always assumed that the health service was ok"

"Bertie say that he always assumed that the Iraq war was justified"

See John, still doesn't make them true.

Now c'mon I know you have your issues with SF but in the current atmosphere of republicans being blamed for all and sundry I would have hoped that you could avoid being dragged down to the 2+2 =989 Eoghan Harris school of thought.

And you are the one, correctly in my view, constantly berating some of the behavior of posters to this site.

by kokomero Thu Feb 26, 2004 18:55

and even if Adams is in the IRA it doesn't make any difference as they are on ceasefire. And before you mention the alleged abduction it is hardly surprising that Republicans police themselves, after all they have been far more effective at it than the so-called security forces who have allowed RIRA and CIRA to have a field-day. If we had to rely on the "security forces" alone the ceasefire would have been history long ago!

by ec Thu Feb 26, 2004 20:11

At least John signs his name - as do you.

I personally hope Bush Berates bertie for lying to him about his support for the USK war over a bowl of shamrock last year. After all bertie has since enlightened us about being against the war all along.

Wouldn't it be great to drape Bertie's anti war words on liberty hall for the duration of the Emperors visit?

It mightn't make much difference to anything but it would be nice to see Bertie Sweating it.

Not that it's going to happen - you'd have to get permission from the SIPTU Lackeys. And we all know all it takes is a phonecall to decomission that crowd at a moments notice.

Good luck to Left SFers at the weekend with their anti-article 133 pro-public services motion. Hope someone sends us a report.

by observer Thu Feb 26, 2004 20:22

to see a good socialist like John Meehan support a witch hunt against a revolutionary.

When Lillian Hellman was asked by the McCarthyites if she was a CP member she replied: "I will not cut my cloth according to today's measure".

If you ever become a threat to the "nice people" John maybe they will be asking you if you were a member of People's Democracy

by Michelle Clarke - Pacifist Thu Feb 26, 2004 22:09 michelle33 at eircom dot net 6 Wellington House, 85 Wellington Road, Dublin 4 None

What constitutes this arrogance from Taoiseach of Ireland, Mr. Ahern.

He either can ground the assumption with facts or else he just remains quiet.

The Good Friday Peace Agreement was initiated over 7 years ago. Then President Clinton and others from the US assisted greatly in its initiation. We the Irish i.e. in the South benefited from this economically and otherwise.

The Peace Process and the Sinn Fein movements are making a concerted effort to ensure a democracy exists. We in the South of Ireland ought to be facilitating the smooth transition.

It is time to grasp that Ireland was one of the first countries to gain independence after hundreds of years of occupation. We provided the examples and models for other countries who followed the same path.

Now let's do so - with the provision of tolerance, compassion, cooperation and peace in mind.

Who wants bigotry and war?

Michelle

by Joe McCabe Thu Feb 26, 2004 22:34

So John what exactly are you a member of?

Is there anyone else out there you would like to out as members or former members of the IRA?

Whos agenda are you pursuing with this post?

by rooster Fri Feb 27, 2004 00:40

Gerry Adams is president of Sin fein, a member of the army council and come the revolution will be indicted for war crimes.

by Mark Fri Feb 27, 2004 01:33 markmc33 at eircom dot net

John, Killian is right here, your comment above is stupid and it should be withdrawn if you want any credibility within the broader left in Dublin.

Bertie Ahern saying something is nothing more than weasel words from the head of a corrupt, right wing, populist, stained political party. I do hope that you explain yourself.

by tallyman (forcefully retired) Fri Feb 27, 2004 01:45

Who exactly are you sir to speak on behalf of the 'broader left' in this censorious manner. That is a very untidy formulation of language? Does it mean Labour and The Hard Left, Labour, Sinn Fein and the Hard Left, Sinn Fein and the Greens. Or does it mean Sinn Fein and The Anarchists (heaven forbid)

by observer Fri Feb 27, 2004 09:56

And what revolution would that be now?? The one that takes place in your bedroom along with sex with Britney and Robbie Williams?... or the real one in which Gerry Adams is part?

by Ciarzo Fri Feb 27, 2004 09:58

Well the dogs on the streets of Ballymurphy have known for quite some time now and it would appear the news has finally filtered down to the bumbling baffon who calls himself Mr. Taoiseach - our wee Gerry's in the ra!
Oh but of course he's always known this to be true, as does anyone who hasn't just come up the Lagan (or Liffy) in a bubble. So why the sudden urge to call a spade a spade (in the most roundabout way, of course)?
Sit back and watch in awe as the congregation of forgotten causes come running to the bearded one's defense. "Gerry's a revolutionary" they cry! And a fine one he is too - armed with the will of the people and the finest Armani suits. If nothing else, his latest book tour is bound to be a smashing success.

One question for the original poster: indeed one should be doubious of anything Sin Fein tells us. But, I'm sure you would agree this stands true for all political orginisations and more importantly for those in power, as they all share such track records of deception. You seem very shocked that the boys have been leading you astray for so many years. Have you never met a politician?

by Grizzly Adams Fri Feb 27, 2004 10:40

The Actor grizzly Adams, said today he always assumed FF leader Mr B Aherne was a member of IBEC.

Mr Adams said he would be surprised if Mr Aherne had not been a member of the group, given his prominent role in negotiations involving the Partnership Process

He said he did not know what Mr Ahernes's current relationship with the IBEC was, but people would be interested to know.

"I always assumed that he was (a member of the IBEC), I think I would be surprised if he wasn't," he said.

"He hardly became Taoiseach, if he hadn't some fairly close association," Mr Adams added.

But Mr Adams said he wasn't particularly interested in Mr Aherne's past: "What I'm more interested in is what is happening now."

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Mr Aherne has always denied he was ever a member of the IBEC.

by The Programmer Fri Feb 27, 2004 11:18

In light of John Meehan's comments, Sky have commissioned a new programme for the autumn schedule.

'When cheerleaders turn sour' will be a groundbreaking new all action show.

by observer Fri Feb 27, 2004 11:58

"I coulda bin a Commisar"?

by monkey Fri Feb 27, 2004 14:24

What the hell are you talking about observer?

Gerry Adams is gonna lead us in a glorious bourgeois nationalist revolution?

And maybe the Bono will help?

Then we'll make them fight to the death and whoever wins gets to be the High King of Oirland......

by Cynic Fri Feb 27, 2004 14:42

"The Man Who Never Was."

by Observer Fri Feb 27, 2004 14:52

Ah! - reminds me of the old CPIML. Hadnt thought of Bono. Mmmmmmm. Might be a place for him in one of the midlands turf cutting camps. There will be no fight to see who becomes High King of Oirland (nice touch that! - ever think of writing for the Evening Standard?) - that position is guaranteed for Daniel O'Donnell who as everyone knows is beloved of republicans because he sings songs about mammies and drinks tea and doesnt like girls.

by John McDermott - Remove Fianna Fail Party Sat Feb 28, 2004 01:31

I think Bertie does'nt want much want Grizzly muscl'in in on his 'south of the border 'patch.
Expect more 'garbage' from Fianna Fail in the near future.
Grizzly comes from a troubled and turbulent province for sure.
I cannot fathom all this crap and symantics about what he was or what he was'nt
If he's down here competing with Labour and the Socialist Party for votes good luck to him.
God knows that kneecapping is an unhealthy barbarity to bring down on tearaways or drugdealers.
Fianna Fail are a more insidious barbarity because day and night they bleed the ordinary people of this country dry,-and still come back for more!
and the show has'nt even begun.!
Good luck to grizzly and any other devils smart enough to steal a march on the most corrupt administration in the history of the Free State.

by No thank you Sat Feb 28, 2004 19:49

This is pathetic. Come here for news and get a bunch of buffons showing their arses instead. Is that what Indymedia is. Close the comments down they serve no purpose but buffonery.

by buffoon Sun Feb 29, 2004 02:24

less rent. It's like a pub if you don't like it leave and go somewhere else:
Politics.ie is where the blueshirts hang out.

by John Meehan Wed Mar 03, 2004 15:56

For a detailed history of Gerry Adams's career in the IRA

Titled "Adams IRA history a statement of the obvious", see :

http://www.nuzhound.com/articles/arts2004/feb27_Adams_IRA_history__EMoloney.php

For an interesting interview with the veteran republican John Kelly, which includes some reference to the role of Gerry Adams in the republican movement

Titled "Republican stalwart in rage against machine", see :

http://www.nuzhound.com/articles/irish_news/arts2004/mar2_Kelly_interview.php

John Kelly was a Sinn Féin member of the Stormont Assembly elected in 1998. He did not seek re-election in the November 2003 election.

He was a founder member of the Provisional IRA in 1969, one of the four defendants in the 1970 Arms Trial.

The 26 County State claimed that the four defendants (who included a future leader of the Fianna Fáil party, Charles Haughey and the late Captain James Kelly) had illegally conspired to smuggle weapons into the six county state. The jury concluded the four defendants were not guilty.

Convincing evidence was presented during the trial that the arms smuggling could not have been illegal - the state was directly involved.

by Chekov Wed Mar 03, 2004 18:37

One of his complaints was about a new trend of SF denying all of their history and links to the armed struggle.

On Indymedia, John M. posts a statement of the completely f***ing obvious about Adams. Personally I didn't think it was that interesting or relevant, but a bunch of (presumed) shinners then chose to engage in a series of personal attacks against him as if he had claimed that Adams was the baby-eating head of Al Qaeda. I suppose that Martin McG rose to his position in SF today through his good works in the Republican flower-arranging association?