Chemtrails

by clinton Sat Jun 01, 2002 22:06

em, I think they're called clouds.

by Stewart Sat Jun 01, 2002 22:19

C'mon man. Clouds don't come out of the back of aircraft.

by lislawless Sun Jun 02, 2002 09:28

Nice photo's and all. But I have to ask, where are the planes? The issue is a serious and worrying one, but without evidence of planes, the argument remains that these are simply photos of clouds. Having said that, I will be looking up more often!

by stewart Sun Jun 02, 2002 09:39

Go look up clouds in the encyclopedias, and see can you find any resemblance between all the major known types and what you see in the first picture here. Yes there are SOME clouds in the pictures, but for Christ's sake people, take a closer look and ask yourself a simple question, especially of the first picture.
Go research chemtrails on the web (have ye actually gone and done this yet??), and take a look at the second posting on the newswire (out later today).

by firewoman Sun Jun 02, 2002 10:53

I have seen those exact kinds of trails before they are from a jet exhaust, or the west coast we are sprayed by chemicals at least 5 times a day.someone would have noticed. Nothing wierd just run of the mill pollution. Thats bad enough.

by stewart Sun Jun 02, 2002 13:39

Well it's not exactly a bird or John Wayne we're dealing with here.
OFCOURSE IT'S JETS, OF COURSE IT'S POLLUTION, just not the 'run of the mill' type.
Three words for you 'firewoman' ....
RESEARCH, RESEARCH AND RESEARCH.
It's not that hard.

by Rob Sun Jun 02, 2002 15:10

Conspiracy nutcase material. Aren't there any real news and happenings going around the country.

by silo Mon Jun 03, 2002 11:47

The first "Chemtrails" post starts by saying that the photos are "proof". They aren't proof of anything. They're evidence, and very weak evidence at that. It goes on to say that "Ireland's skies are regularly pounded by tanker aircraft spraying toxic chemtrails", without showing any aircraft, any actual spraying, any evidence that these trails are in fact toxic or any demonstrable evidence that they might have been toxic in other places where this spraying has supposedly taken place. (Medical evidence/opinion, studies, research etc.)

Anyone with a vague interest in meteorology could explain these trails, probably in a variety of different ways. (cirrus/cumulocirrus clouds, jet trails, ice particles, etc.). Even if they are "chemtrails", (the burden of proof to demonstrate that these are in any way "toxic" or otherwise harmful is on the person making the claims.

Positing the theory that "chemtrails" are the result of a plot to poison us with "toxic" substances is a ludicrous inference without any basis in any evidence.

Provide the evidence (preferably independent and conforming to normal standards of research) and we will gladly listen to your case.

The evidence provided (mostly at http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/Willthomas/UN/Fitrakis.htm) seeks to infer that "chemtrails" are related to the militarisation of space. The House of Representatives bill referred to (HR 2977) is available for all to see (go to http://thomas.loc.gov/home/c107query.html and type HR 2977 into the "bill number" search query box), and mentions the word "chemtrails" once, without any reference that they are anything to do with spraying and are included in a list of "exotic weapons systems" - that is, weapons that are not in use but could be developed.

The pages on the internet about "chemtrails" generally propose that these trails are a vast conspiracy (e.g. from http://www.rense.com/general4/fre.htm "Many theorize that it s part of a clandestine operation to implement the New World Order (NWO) by eliminating society s "useless eaters" and the infirm and/or to reduce the population to a support level for the "elite"."), but they never provide conclusive evidence, just lots of pictures of clouds and sky, without evidence, context, research or any other form of rational persuasive argument.

Please use the newswire for news. Please make the news "radical, accurate, and passionate tellings of truth". Note the second word.

by unknown Mon May 10, 2004 13:07

Clouds?... It think not!
there are thousands of sites WITH pictures INCLUDING the planes spraying the chemicals!

CLICK BELOW AND SEE FOR YOURSELF!
http://www.google.com/search?q=chemtrails&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

the chemtrails that are sprayed are poisonous! tthey contain pestisides that were banned in the 80's because they were classified as carcinogenic!!!

by Homer Mon May 10, 2004 15:25

Those aren't "chemtrails". They're contrails, which far from being chemicals being sprayed (or "exhaust" as some people seem to think), is the result of the heat of the jet engines causing water vapour to condense into wispy clouds.

There is SOME evidence that these can seed larger clouds and contribute to climate change but it's not a very widely evidenced theory, given the chaotic nature of weather systems.

Surely such conspiracy theories do not constitute news... what's next Bigfoot's lunchtime date with the Loch Ness Monster?

by Max Mon Apr 09, 2007 16:41

I took this photograph from the entrance to the Tesco carpark opposite St. Vincents hospital in Dublin on April 4th 2007. I had witnessed airplanes criss-crossing the sky all day leaving these trails. Except for the trails left by these airplanes the sky was a clear blue and had been for most of the day.

trails left by airplanes

by Kerina Mon Jan 18, 2010 13:56

How can anyone call this a conspiracy when all you have to do is look up to the sky? and just google the two chemicals named used in chemtrails and their effects on human health. dont diss something because it sounds out of the ordinary, research it.