War Honoured at Kilmainham

by George Dillon Mon Jul 14, 2003 12:01

How come McAleese et al were not at commemoration of the 1803 Rising ?

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by blah blah blah Mon Jul 14, 2003 13:04

Come on, James McKenna. Can you quote exactly where Rabbi Pearlman, or whatever his name is, has defended "the murder of at least two of those Irish soldiers by the Israeli army of occupation".

And before you start, I'm not a defender of the Rabbi, and I don't know what he's said about Israel in general. I don't know (and frankly, I'm not really that bothered) if he's a supporter of Sharon or not.

But that's not the point. You have specifically stated that he has defended "the murder of at least two of those Irish soldiers by the Israeli army of occupation", and I'm curious about where you're sourcing this information from.

Because obviously someone posting a news article on indymedia would have their facts straight and wouldn't just be posting an ill-informed rant, wouldn't they?

by Jim Monaghan Mon Jul 14, 2003 13:21

Presumably this commomoration is about in our case the resistance and the oppressors. I would guess that amongst those who put down the Easter rising were Irish troops, albeit in most rank and file case misguided.
It is akin to those who wanted to invite the Orange order to commemoration of 1798.
Then our elite are uncomfortable with our past.
We are in Orwells world where the pigs and the farmers have got together.
The commemorations I enjoyed were the alternatives which Bobby Ballaghts committee used to organise where the great and the good were absent.

by pat c Mon Jul 14, 2003 14:21

The true spirit of 1916 and 1798 was celebrated in the actions of those who gathered in the Garden of Remberance on Sunday 13 July from there, at 3 pm activists from Autonomous Community Space opened up a derelict building on 41 Parnell Square (West) that has been unused and derelict for the last 11 years. The activists are aiming to highlight a number of issues including spiralling rents and the lack of affordable housing. The autonomous space is in the heart of the Taoiseach's constituency of Dublin Central.

Issuing a statement from Autonomous Space Community Cian O'Callaghan, press spokesperson said:
"There are a ridiculous number of empty buildings in Dublin. Boarded up, unused, waiting for the highest price so they can be turned into cramped apartments that no one can afford. Meanwhile people sleep on the streets, students work 30 hours on top of college so they can pay exorbitant suburban rents, and families are forced into unsuitable rented accommodation because they have no hope of affording their own home."

For more information contact:
Cian O'Callaghan 086 286 6631

related link: http://1978.org/discodisco

by NV Mon Jul 14, 2003 14:47

You bastard, James. Your hatred for the rabbi shows us all your true colours, and your fabrication of facts and use of crude innuendo brings shame on people like me who are opposed to war and the occupation of Palestine. You are one fucked up guy who has got to be either ill and incapable of logic, or planted to discredit the left. Also, Irish men who fought in all wars should be remembered and honoured, despite our misgivings about the armies they fought for. They were often young men preyed upon by recruiters and gave their lives, often without knowing what for. I hope you never have to experience theloss of someone close to you, and then have fucked-up pricks like you writing vile shit like this about a ceremony.

Go back to the sewer, asshole.

by RL Mon Jul 14, 2003 16:05

I hope that our Brave members of the Defence Forces never have to defend you from an oppressor, because you and your ilk do not deserve them.

And for your information, ALL Irishmen who died in past wars includes those who died for this country and its independence as well as those who gave their lives for others, and where deservedly honoured yesterday by their countrymen.

by concerned Mon Jul 14, 2003 16:49

perhaps becuase the irish army doesnt have a lot of, or any muslims.

its up to the army to decide who comes some they must not have a problem with a rabbi unlike the anti semitic james here

excuse the spelling

by pat c Mon Jul 14, 2003 16:56

reports that an imam was invited. he attended, but didnt join in the prayers. he felt it was inappropriate for him to do so given the shia / sunni divide. (he didnt say which he was) he said he hoped the govt would invite both shia and sunni imams next year.

by . Mon Jul 14, 2003 17:14

It can't be. There can't have been a Muslim at the commemoration.

Because that would mean that James McKenna was wrong. That he'd just jumped to conclusions and posted an ill-thought-out rant without even checking his facts.

And that would be an appalling vista to terrible to even contemplate.

I bet he's right about the Rabbi though. Those bloody Jews just HATE Irish soldiers and want them all dead.

by Lone Gunman Mon Jul 14, 2003 18:56

For picking on the simple amongst us.That isnt very PC or liberal is it?
Poor James is a bit "bewilderd"
I mean come on .Anyone who claims that no one has been on the Moon [Conspiricy theory or just because they were American.]
Or millions of Iraquis were about to rise up and support Saddo in a resistance war.
Everything is a Geo Bush,CIA,blah blah blah trick or conspiricy.Even this post!
So leave him alone.He hasnt proably had his medication or the locked him in the red white and blue bouncy bouncy room again.

by joe ranii Mon Jul 14, 2003 19:52

I have clashed with James McKenna on another issue, but I support him fully on this one. If there were supposedly 30,000 Irishmen killed in First World War it's logical to assume they killed an equal 30,000. Hungarians, Austrians, Turks etc. Far-off countries of which we knew little. For Irishmen to go overseas and kill people of whom they knew nothing was mindless murder, I don't care how brainwashed they may have been by Church and State.
Unfortunately the tradition still exists--witnress that Irish guy in the British Army who got on the wrong end of an Iraqi bullet a couple of months ago.

by Lone Gunman Tue Jul 15, 2003 12:43

From what I remember of the programme "All the Queens Irishmen." Was he served in the Irish army and found it not much of a challenge,with no hope of being promoted.Hence he went to the British army. Belive it or not there actually people who like being soilders.And YES us Irish have a very strong tradition of serving in different armies. From the Wild Geese of 1691 Limerick to on both the Croat and Serb sides in Yougoslavia,to Iraq.All I can say is;fair fucks to them all.They saw a way out of this little smug hyprocrital rock and took it.

by old timer Tue Jul 15, 2003 12:58

Ten irish lads killed defending the peace in the congo. 47 killed in the leb, should we not remember their sacrifice? should we turn a blind eye to it, should we not thank their families for the sacrifice that their loved ones made, not just for ireland but for the countries that they worked in?

James, it would be worse if the rabbi boycotted the service.

by Chekov Wed Jul 16, 2003 15:51

In the leb they were, in practice, helping to maintain Israel's illegal occupation.

In the Congo they were helping to provide stability for the CIA's new golden boy, Mobutu, and ensuring that the radical nationalism of Lumumba didn't flare up again.

UN peacekeeping invariably means defusing a conflict once it has reached a favourable situation for the imperialist powers. The 3 major imperialist powers: the US, France and britain all have vetoes on the security council. They NEVER approve peacekeeping troops unless they will benefit. Look at Rwanda.

This is not to say that the Irish soldiers are to blame. They may well have been decent people. However, like all soldiers, they were the pawns of the powerful. Their deaths should not be celebrated, rather remembered with pity - that decent people can be fooled into becoming the agents of oppression.

by Lone Gunman Wed Jul 16, 2003 21:36

for Ireland to GET OUT of that corrupt,one world govt,masive beacrautic and corrupt organization that extreme lefties like that tratior Mary Robinson support.The UN.Show your support
BURN A UN FLAG TODAY