Gay Marraiges

by dee02uk Mon Mar 17, 2003 18:00

Two things to mention here, firstly, remember that homosexuality was a crime here until 1997. Groups like amnesty international finally embarassed the govt. into repealing that particular piece of legislation. Given that 85% of TDs would align themselves with varying degrees of right wing social politics this hardly comes as a surprise.

Secondly, FF like to be seen as a party acceptable to many groups in society and Bertie would be quite shy of such a potentially controversial move. I don't doubt that it will come along eventually but not for some time. Ireland is still a very backward country where while many don't profess to agree with catholic ideals, the subconcious sexual repression of centuries is going to take several generations to change certain people's bigoted view of homosexuality as some kind of "deviance".

by the Pragmatist Mon Mar 17, 2003 18:11

What you've said above is true to an extent.
It will be several years before irish society is ready for adoptions yet but marraige in 10 years i'd say.

Fianna Fail was willing to legalise gay marraiges in coalition negotiations with labour in 1994.
If the PDs are so liberal, why won't they do it?

The fact remains that Labour is the only party in ireland to have the guts to come out in favour of gay rights.

If gay people wanna marry, they should make sure to vote labour in 2005 or wenever the next election is.

I still think graham norton shodn't be allowed to adopt.

by pat c Mon Mar 17, 2003 18:25

I don't think gays should be allowed to marry. In my opinion I have no problem with gays. What consenting adults get up to in the privact of their own bedroooms is not my business. But i draw the line at open "marriage".

by Labour Party Scum Mon Mar 17, 2003 18:28

The Labour Party are no the only party in Ireland to come out for marraige right s for gays and lesbians. As far as I know, the SP, SWP, WSM and maybe SF have this policy.

by pat c Mon Mar 17, 2003 18:48

as people can guess the above comment was not by me. In all liklihood it was by a bitter & teisted member of Tots n Trots

by the Pragmatist Mon Mar 17, 2003 18:56

so yer man up above there has no problem with gays but doesn't tink they should be able to marry?

what if they marry inside their bedrooms?

did anyone read my article?

marraige is bullshit. you are not special. it is not a comsmic bond. you have no significance. you are piece of linear existance which was unfortunatley started and will stop.

who has the right to stop anybody doing what they want so long as it doesn't hurt another?

nobody.

by Matchmaker Mon Mar 17, 2003 20:39

Why dont you and Aidan O Brien get hitched?

by ipsiphi Mon Mar 17, 2003 20:41

i have assisted at countless weddings and funerals.
these are times when ordinary people enter churches and do their thing.
as a no borders activist I have witnessed countless marriages for papers.
there are times when ordinary people enter countries and do their thing.

To marry someone who like you is a 1st world citizen is a waste of your nationality.
Marry at all means, do a church gig and feed organists like me, but remember that that little beurocratic contract can benefit many others regardless of their sexual orientation.

Of those gays whom I know who are married as ·gay couples· all are either French or American citizens. They married in the Nederlands.

Of most gays whom I know who are married they married in Ireland in churches and some but not all managed to raise families without too much ·dsyfunction·

as for the recognition to ·unions· afforded by a state, might I remind all that such recognition found its root in Elizabeth the first of England´s beurocratic overhaul of the Church of England. Germaine Greer my favourite 'as of yet no show supper guest' wrote at length concerning the origin of the modern legal state of marriage in 'the female eunuch'.

as an anarchist I can not in good conscience (and i am an anarchist of good conscience), argue that more state regulation may serve to validate any human relation.

by Straight Talk Mon Mar 17, 2003 23:53

as rhwy leave my ass alone they can do what they want, its a free country still!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

by Straight talk Mon Mar 17, 2003 23:54

as as they leave my ass alone they can do what they want, its a free country still!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

drunk and proud

by pat c watcher Tue Mar 18, 2003 01:48

Pat c are you some kinda skitzo?

by Cian Tue Mar 18, 2003 15:39

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think Sinn Fein have ever come out in support of Gay marriage.

I know last year that a representative of Ogra Sinn Fein was on the late late show before the general election and he said that he did not support Gay marriage.

As for SP, SWP and WSM, I'm sure that they can best speak for themselves, but I'm not so sure that they as political parties favour the institution of marriage?

by loon watcher Wed Mar 19, 2003 01:16

Who cares what the loons in the SP, SWP think of marriage, the people do their own thing, if they want to marry why should they have to get the blessing of the 'party'

by lgb student Wed Mar 19, 2003 17:22

Just some things I'd like to clarify. Homosexualiy was decriminalised in 1992 by the then Lab/FF government. This was after they had lost a case in the Eurpoean Supreem court trying to maintain the then illegal status of homosexuality. This was a case started by the Lab/FG government in 1987.No party represented in the dail at present suppoprts the idea of same-sex marriage at present.THey dont want to takle the issue because marriage is enshrined in the constitution and therefor would take a referendum to broaden the definition.Some parties have come out in favour of partnership rights of some sort giving lesbian, gay and bisexual(Lgb) persons inheritance rights, next of kin status social welfare benifits etc. The parties that have come out in favour of partnership rights are the greens, sinn fein, labour, fine gael and the socialist parties. The PDs and ff have been notable in their silence. I dont trust any of the parties however and I will back which ever one gives the best deal for lgb people. The problem is just like society political parties are inveteratly homophobic irrespective of their other views.

by pat c Wed Mar 19, 2003 17:42

The first comment was not by me. As for matchmaker - Aidens not my type.