Splits in the SWP leadership over election policy revealed. 3 tendencies emerge.

by On Mars Wed Sep 11, 2002 22:35

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by Irony is dead Wed Sep 11, 2002 22:48

A Sinn Fein comrade posted a reasonable plea for unity on the left. This was wiped, presumably coz it's not news. However shite like this is deemed worthy. The eyes of the world are watching.

The IMC crewe need to catch themselves on and turn this into real media. There's a f.u.c.k.i.n.g war about to break big time and you facilitate this type of degeneration. C'mon get serious...

by Gall MacMorna Wed Sep 11, 2002 23:23

This English based cult, the SWP, is irrelevant to the problems of the Irish people.

by Ray Thu Sep 12, 2002 09:05

- A Sinn Fein comrade posted a reasonable plea for unity on the left. This was wiped, presumably coz it's not news.

??
'Tired' is still on the newswire. What are you talking about?

by Irony is dead Thu Sep 12, 2002 11:59

OOps. Ray is right (this time).
Nevertheless this thread is still rubbish and amounts to simple 'stirring the pot'.

by Ray Thu Sep 12, 2002 12:10

Indymedia is an open newswire.
If you think there should be more articles about the war then its up to you to contribute them.
As long as the stuff that's posted falls within the guidelines then its not the responsibility of IMC what it discusses.

by Brian Cahill Thu Sep 12, 2002 12:58

This kind of post isn't particularly useful or interesting. The SWP leadership may or may not have internal disagreements over the issue of elections. I don't know, and frankly, so what if they do?

I also don't think that it is a good idea to personalise discussions. Attributing views to individuals contrary to those they express publically is unhelpful. How does the first poster know that any of the stuff about what various SWP leaders "really" think is accurate? And if this style of debate becomes widespread, what's to stop somebody from spreading rumours about what he/she "really" thinks?

by Simon Basketter - SWP Thu Sep 12, 2002 13:05

Reason to remove posts includes: "infactual or obviously false posts - the onus is on the author to check and confirm facts - if a factual error is brought to our attention it will be removed."

This post is innacurate in every thing it says accept for the number votes cast and as such be removed.

by C. Thu Sep 12, 2002 13:14

Could you please outline where the post is factually inaccurate. On reading (I didn't post it and think it's boring - only looked cos it came up on the list) it seems a tough one to prove:

Grace Lally is believed to hold an abstentionist position

Allen argues against standing for elections at all

He (RBB) argues that the SWP position should be similar to the SP position, ie use elections for getting your politics out among the working class and use elected positions as a platform.

The first point cannot be disproved - the second two could possibly be. Unless these statements are factually inaccurate I don't see why the post should be removed..

by Winston Smith - Ministry of Truth Thu Sep 12, 2002 13:27

This posting is factually incorrect and should be removed.

by Kevin Wingfield - SWP Thu Sep 12, 2002 16:02 swp at clubi dot ie

I don't care whether the post is deleted or not. It's not my place to egg on Ray and the anarcho-censors.

The posting is invention. In other words it not true. You can quote me on that if you're interested.

For those of you with something better to do than this non-sense come along tomorrow (Thursday) to the IAWM public meeting in the North Star Hotel, at 7.30 pm get organised agains the war, take leaflets and help build for a national demo on the 28th of Sept.

For those with who live in a coffin and only come out at night carry on with this thread -- and good luck to you.

Kevin W

by Ray Thu Sep 12, 2002 16:09

Oh joy!
I knew that I'd finally catch Kevin's eye, if I could just manage to complain about enough posts.

(Unfortunately Kev's eyesight obviously isn't what it used to be, or he would have seen that the 'anarcho-censors' trying to get this post deleted are members of the SWP)

by Kevin Wingfield - SWP Fri Sep 13, 2002 08:43

The meeting of the Irish Anti War Movement is of course today Friday at 7.30 as noted elsewhere and not Thursday as I mistyped in my posting above.

It looks set to be a good meeting to which can give a boost to the anti-war preparations.

Those not joined at the hip to their computer screens might think about coming along.

Kevin

by blisset Fri Sep 13, 2002 11:58

and back up your 'info'

by Harry Pollitt Fri Sep 13, 2002 20:56

Fair Play to Banditto, keep it coming.

by Daisy Cutter Sat Sep 14, 2002 00:16

And tell us about the anarchist wedding of the century to which Ray was not invited which is why he left the WSM muttering "bourgeois pigs"

by Ray Mon Sep 16, 2002 09:42

What, my wedding?