Shannon Airport demo: Sat, 17 Aug @ 1.30pm

by Carlos Wed Aug 14, 2002 09:41

Neither of the two links above are working for me at the moment. Is there a problem at the link end or my end?

by the link Wed Aug 14, 2002 10:59

this works:
http://redbrick.dcu.ie/~slack/rp/

i hope indymedia.ie will do a story on this

by Carlos Wed Aug 14, 2002 12:36

Still can't find the NVDA worksheets. Where are they to be found?

by Tim Hourigan - Green Party, Gluaiseacht, L4C Wed Aug 14, 2002 13:32

IF you can make it to the demo please do. And bring some friends.
If you can't then please write letters to the dept of Foreign Affairs, Aer Rianta, your local TD, the Taoiseach and FBO (company involved in refuelling the planes)

Let them know that we are opposed to letting the military use our airspace and airports as a pit stop on the way to wage war on third world countries. These wars have not been UN mandated and the bombing campaign in Afghanistan has killed more CIVILIANS in Afghan villages than the 9/11 bombers did in New York.
A dead Afghan child is as great a loss as an American one.

Letting the US military use Shannon is no better than letting Osama Bin Laden use it if he was heading for the White House.

WE CAN'T BE NEUTRAL ON CIVILIAN DEATHS. =

=Ask the family of Ruth Clifford McCourt (she was an Irish woman killed in New York along with her daughter) and her family asked that no more innocent lives should be lost in revenge=

by indymedia.ie Wed Aug 14, 2002 14:52

We are all indymedia.ie - so anyone who can write a story on sat demo and post stories

by Carlos Wed Aug 14, 2002 16:23

A few queries...

1. What's with the non-direct violent action worksheets? Are they to be found on the web or not?

2. Is there any discussion on tictacs to be had anywhere?

3. What is the position of the likes of Iraqi support groups, NGO Peace Alliance etc., are they supporting this mobilisation?

by Eoin Dubsky - Refueling Peace Thu Aug 15, 2002 11:34

Sorry for the mix-up -- that link should work now for Nonviolence Worksheets:

http://slack.redbrick.dcu.ie/nvda/

Following last night's plugs at Dan Berrigan's talk in Dublin (provided Dubs can get over the pail) there should be quite a few people there on Saturday. I think it would be cool if people could organize into small groups already and work out tasks and tactics before they arrive (wonna do an action? wonna bring a banner? who'll do media/legal support/etc.?).

Esp. anyone from the area could maybe printup little cards with their number as a "bust card" for people to call when they're released (if they get arrested). See you there!! :-)

by Saoirse Thu Aug 15, 2002 23:39

Irish people should support the U.S. in its fight for the freedom of the West. During the Dark Ages it was Ireland that saved Western Civilization. Politically-correct lefty jackasses should have no effect on Irish support for the U.S. in the coming war. The Irish-Americans who died so bravely on 9/11 have shown the way. Today, almost a year after the terrorist act of war against American working people, the spirit of unity in America still holds. The gallant stars and stripes still proudly flies in all areas-including Harlem. It is right and proper for the Irish government to give aid to the U.S. in this war for fundamental values. Protests at Shannon only show the ignorance of the protesters. If they are against the American system let them protest at Intel or Dell or Pfizer. Or is that too obvious for their simple minds and knee-jerk liberalism?

by King Mob Fri Aug 16, 2002 01:25

"Today, almost a year after the terrorist act of war against American working people, the spirit of unity in America still holds"

sniff you can almost hear the star spangled banner.....

Working people? How about symbol of american economic imperialism? Yes, I'm sure the majority of the people who died were good people. But the companies in those towers were a pollutant to world unity, and a chain around the third world.

Spirit of unity, yeah your citzens police nazis, and the abuse of anyone who critizes the governments behaviour as "unpatriotic". Just who gave bush and his republican co-horts the monopoly on American Values? How is it unamerican to critize your government in the land of the free?

As for intel and the ilk the are causing great harm, but we're protesting the abuse of a national resource to fight an illegal war, when we're supposed to debate our involvement, we're fighting to defend our neutrality.

Grow the fuck up

KM

by Tim Hourigan - Green Party, Gluaiseacht, L4C Fri Aug 16, 2002 15:17

Funny how a lot of the short spin-doctor type criticisms of the Shannon demos don't want to give their real names.

Funny how "Saoirse" never adresses anthing like civilian casualties in Afghanistan. A bit like a FOX news broadcast, I suppose. Toe the line...
Use words like Freedom, justice, and defence to fool people.

"Irish people should support the U.S. in its fight for the freedom of the West."

Oh, is THAT what this is about? We all must have missed that one. I know Bush said it was the showdown between good and evil, but who in their right mind listens to Bush?
A former ally from Saudi Arabia, is suspected of commiting horrible atrocities against civilians.
So what has been his punishment?
Nothing. No jail, no bullet in the head, zilch.
He's probably just as fit as Saddam Hussein. Although it was deemed necessary to carpet bomb Afghanistan, killing thousands, 'to ensure the FREEDOM OF THE WEST'?
No, you're going to have to run that by me one more time. It didn't stick in the brain too well.

This is nothing to do with the freedom of the West, especially any coming war on Iraq. It's good old geopolitical power plays.
And to suggest that the White House / Military Industrial Complex which is armed 'up the whazoo' with every type of weapon imaginable, is acting in self defence by flattening powerless countries in the Third World is ludicrous, especially when the casualties (in their thousands) probably never saw New York on a TV in their lifetimes.

If you care to read the casualty reports, it includes victims who were killed by second strikes (on things likes Mosques)when they went to try save people from the rubble of the first strike.
How brave it is to bomb a village from 10,000ft!
How free it must make the pilot feel! How much safer the world has become now that America has shown its military muscle!

I doubt Kabul or Kandahar have anything like the firefighting equipment of the NYFD. But they have this in common, the deaths of the innocents in New York and Afghanistan will continue to be exploited as a call to inflict more violence on vulnerable civilians in the name of "JUSTICE and FREEDOM".

"The Irish-Americans who died so bravely on 9/11 have shown the way."

Really, I don't recall their opinions being asked for? The anonymous "Saoirse" now presumes to speak for the dead.
That's very disrespectful.
Brave men and women went in to rescue those that they could, and many perished trying, but to hijack their memory for war-mongering is shameful.

Several of the bereaved families have said that they don't want innocent people being killed in revenge for the loss of their own family members.
But I take it you're not interested in the way that they're trying to show you.

On Wednesday in Dublin we heard statements from these families, read to us by one of their counsellors after 9/11. They urged Bush not to seek revenge on innocent people.
He didn't listen.

"Today, almost a year after the terrorist act of war against American working people, the spirit of unity in America still holds."

There are LOTS of LARGE anti-war demos in the States. The unity of symathy with the dead and bereaved is there of course, but not everyone has jumped on Bush's badwagon.

"The gallant stars and stripes still proudly flies in all areas-including Harlem."

That doesn't translate into support for the war.
The flag is flown by US citizens out of solidarity for the tragedy of 9-11. A solidarity many of us share.

"It is right and proper for the Irish government to give aid to the U.S. in this war for fundamental values."

Again, you fail to explain these fundamental values... rhetoric.
Is it a fundamental value to be able to kill people on the other side of the world withut knowing their names, faces of anything else? Bush and Bin Laden seem to have a lot in common.

"Protests at Shannon only show the ignorance of the protesters."

Comments like yours only show how shallow and brainwashed you are.
Are you just afraid to criticise america or too conditioned by propoganda to think that the US government can be wrong and downright awful from time to time? Do you blot out the deaths of innocent third world peasants from your mind?

"If they are against the American system let them protest at Intel or Dell or Pfizer. Or is that too obvious for their simple minds and knee-jerk liberalism?"

'Saoirse' if anyone can be called a knee-jerker, i'd say it's you. Your rhetoric and lack of argument is unfortunately common. The day Dell or Pfizer start exporting weapons components from Ireland you can be sure there will be a protest about it.