Anger at Iranian Holocaust denial

by MoreFrank - ordinary people against astroturf Sun Oct 04, 2009 17:38

"Israel bought it's land...."

eh?...REALLY? please elaborate mister "private citizen" . And perhaps you can tell me who is israel currently paying for all the land it has been systematically taking and building settlements on since 1967 (apart from the US weapons salesmen!)

I saw an animation on al-jazeera of the gradual changes in land ownership in palestine and the systematic erosion of palestinian lands. It was eye opening and spelt out for me what is really going on over time behind all the bullshit coming from israeli sources.

One mistake your kind make frank, is to try to mix up all jews and israeli jews. There are many jews worldwide who are disgusted by the activities of the israelis and believe that they give a bad name to jews worldwide. I agree. The jewish people are an intelligent and resourceful people worldwide and should not be pigeonholed with the militaristic behaviour of one grouping in a kleptocratic right wing militarised state. It is an insult to jews worldwide to do so. There are many deniers of all kinds in the world. deniers of use of white phosphorous on children, holocaust deniers, "we have no nuclear weapons" deniers, "we didn't start this" deniers. "we didn't steal your land" deniers. Deniers are not a nice breed. Ahmadinejad is not very nice either (although I await the proper translation. once bitten.....).

What Is worst about Deniers in my opinion is how they seek to deliberately cover up what they know are actual bad actions of themselves and their cronies. However if you consider Ahmadinejhad's "denial" (assuming it's true for now...) versus the israeli denials about gaza, which ones are actually covering up their own current atrocities?

Ahmadinejhad is just talking shite about proven historical events that happened long ago. But meanwhile his planes are not bombing israeli children to pieces, and any rockets made with Iranian parts, fired from the west bank are no different from israeli weapons produced in the USA and fired in Gaza except for the fact that they usually don't hurt anybody and generally fall harmlessly in the desert unlike Israeli munitions. And nobody is saying the US are the ones killing children in Gaza.

So whilst such a direct denial by Ahmadinejhad (if indeed true) is tasteless in the extreme, it is , in my book just empty political bullshit, wheras, denying they used white phosphorous or bombed schools or killed children whilst the twisted evidence scrolls across our screens by the israelis is much more comparable to the germans denying the holocaust while they were still doing it in 1944.

Ahmadinejhad denying the holocaust is like me saying the titanic was never built. It's just silly denial of a historically proveable event disconnected from me well in the past. It's Not the same as me trying to mask an ongoing atrocity being committed by myself. Not even comparable.

Big deal, an asshole politician tried to win popularity by telling people what they wanted to hear, a distorted description of a historical event. Standard operating procedure for scumbag politicians. Meanwhile Israel blows the shit out of Gaza and kills thousands of women and children whilst denying it is doing so. Thats a real atrocity followed by knowing denial by the ones committing the atrocity. Much worse.

Talk vs Action.

Action is far more serious in my book

by Seraphim Sun Oct 04, 2009 16:16

Perhaps Ahmadinejad protests too much. Evidence has now emerged which suggests that Ahmadinejads family were Jewish and that he was born a Jew.

A photograph of the Iranian president holding up his identity card during elections in March 2008 clearly shows his family has Jewish roots. A close-up of the document reveals he was previously known as Sabourjian – a Jewish name meaning cloth weaver. The short note scrawled on the card suggests his family changed its name to Ahmadinejad when they converted to embrace Islam after his birth.

The Sabourjians traditionally hail from Aradan, Mr Ahmadinejad's birthplace, and the name derives from "weaver of the Sabour", the name for the Jewish Tallit shawl in Persia. The name is even on the list of reserved names for Iranian Jews compiled by Iran's Ministry of the Interior.

Mehdi Khazali, an internet blogger, who called for an investigation of Mr Ahmadinejad's roots was arrested this summer.

by Frank Adam - privae citizen Thu Sep 24, 2009 22:01

You all know that there is as much research on the Holocaust as scholars willing to study it because the Germans in their mindset left piles of their own office paper and too much evidence to destroy. If Ahmadinejad denies the research it is because he, a priori does not wish to test his own cloud cuckoo land.

by Frank Adam - private citizen Thu Sep 24, 2009 21:56

Now that Ahmadinejad has repeated his lying disbelief of the Holocaust in a parallelistic fashion on an international public platform perhaps those who have tried to make excuses for him in the past might also recognise the other lie that Israel was given to Israel to compensate for the Holocaust.

Israel bought its land and invested in it, and when the UN put out a two state solution to the communal problems within British Palestine the Arabs tried to physically rubbish UN policy with great violence not only in 1948 but since and so deserved to lose what they lost to Israel in Israel's defensive War of Independence - as happened to Germany, Japan and Italy in 1945 and since losing lands to Russia & Jugoslavia who had been wantonly and treacherously attacked by Germany & Italy.

Israel exists in spite of the Holocaust and all those who bleat on about humiliation and loss would do well to remember that on the discovery of the Holocaust the Jews were justifiably furious with humiliation and determined that in spite of the objections of the World they must have a state so that when political madmen and "kick the cat politics" made it rough for Jews they would have a homeland to take them in - and indeed since the creation of Israel we have not lost a Jewish community to massacre.

by Never Again Tue Sep 22, 2009 12:10

Its not just the BBC who have reported this. Media across the world have covered the story. There has been no denial or clarification from Ahmadinejad. Here is a representative selection of the coverage.

Ahmadinejad, who is due to address the UN general assembly in New York next week as focus on Iran's nuclear ambitions intensifies, risked further western hostility by repeating his beliefs about the Nazi extermination of 6 million Jews.

"They [western powers] launched the myth of the Holocaust," he told a crowd at Tehran university. "They lied, they put on a show and then they support the Jews," he said to chants of "Death to Israel"
from supporters. "The pretext for establishing the Zionist regime is a lie … a lie which relies on an unreliable claim, a mythical claim, and the occupation of Palestine has nothing to do with the Holocaust."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/18/opposition-...s-day

"They (Western powers) launched the myth of the Holocaust. They lied, they put on a show and then they support the Jews.

"If as you claim the Holocaust is true, why can a
study not be allowed?" the Iranian president said to chants of "Death to Israel" from the crowd gathered for the annual display of solidarity with the Palestinians.

"The pretext for establishing the Zionist
regime is a lie... a lie which relies on an unreliable claim, a mythical claim, and the occupation of Palestine has nothing to do with the Holocaust," he added.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/News/restofasia/Ahmadinej....aspx

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad told
worshippers at Friday prayers at Tehran University the state of Israel was founded on "a false and mythical claim" and expressed doubts over whether the Nazi murder of around six million Jews during the Second World War was "a real event".

Speaking on Iran's national Quds Day - staged to show sympathy for the Palestinians and named after the Arabic word for Jerusalem - Mr Ahmadinejad asked: "If the Holocaust was a real event, why don't they allow research on it to clear up facts?"

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ahmadinej....html

"The very existence of this regime is an insult to the dignity of the people," the hardline Ahmadinejad said of Iran's arch-foe Israel.

"They (the Western powers) launched the myth of the Holocaust. They lied, they put on a show and then they support the Jews.

"If as you claim the Holocaust is true, why can a study not be
allowed?" he said to chants
of "Death to Israel" from the crowd gathered for the annual display of solidarity with the Palestinians.

"The pretext for establishing the Zionist regime is a lie... a lie which relies on an unreliable claim, a mythical claim, and
the occupation of Palestine has nothing to do with the Holocaust," he added.

http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2009/09/19/85462.html

by Bazooka Joe Tue Sep 22, 2009 08:20

I will await a better translation of what President Ahmadinejad had to say before I make any judgement. We must remember that the BBC translation of his last 'Holocaust Denial' has been called in question. The BBC is very much echoing the message of the British Intelligence Services and the Zionists by taking a certain line on Iran. I would refer you to this article regarding the lack of objectivity exhibited by the BBC regarding Iran.

http://govinfo.bnet-newmedia.co.uk/facts_Articles.php?I...al=24