Stop The Cuts! No More Bail Outs! Protest!

by Paul Kinsella - Various Fri Aug 28, 2009 23:05 paulkinsella53 at yahoo dot com 53 Lorcan Grove, Santry, Dublin 9, Ireland. 00353-85-1478100

Updated info on the September 19th Protest. The Protest is being organised by the United Alliance Against Cuts and is backed by the Unite Union, Branches of SIPTU, People Before Profit, Socialist Workers Party, Socialist Party, Community Sector, Canal Communites, Tenants Associations, Is Feidir Linn, Sinn Fein, Eirigi and others to show oppostion to NAMA but we dont stop there we want to say NO to the BORD SNIP CUTS too!

1pm Saturday 19th of Sept Parnell Square Dublin
NO TO NAMA - NO TO BORD SNIP!

by T Sat Aug 29, 2009 13:23

The problem as I see it with this protest against NAMA is it not the case that the decision on the NAMA bill will already have been taken by then? Surely that is why there is a No to NAMA march on the previous Saturday, the 12th Sept?

by Cyberman Tue Sep 01, 2009 13:00

The NAMA bill wont be passed by 19 September unless Cowen decides to ditch the Greens, they wont make their final decision on NAMA until October.

The demo on 12 September is called by the "Irish Peoples Union", a group which possibly has little real world existence. Its difficult to understand why a group which has just been founded would call a demo a week before one supported by the entire left & trade unions.

by Paul Kinsella - Various Wed Sep 02, 2009 05:27 paulkinsella53 at yahoo dot com 53 Lorcan Grove, Santry, Dublin 9, Ireland. 00353-85-1478100

If what Cyberman says and that seems increasingly likely "The NAMA bill wont be passed by 19 September unless Cowen decides to ditch the Greens, they wont make their final decision on NAMA until October." probably no doubt waiting until after the Lisbon re-run, I think that it would be an excellent idea to have another March to the front gates of the Dáil on Kildare Street on the day that the Dáil does finally vote on the final NAMA Legislation. I know that this would only be a few weeks after the September 19th March, but they will get to see and hear our anger at first hand. In addition this should mean that we should only have one truely massive, big March on the same day at the same time, instead of two seperate Marches on two different days. What do people think? Is this do-able?

I know that the Anti-NAMA Demo on 12th September is called by the "Irish Peoples Union." Does anybody know who the IPU are? And who are the people behind them?

by James Kelly Wed Sep 02, 2009 16:04

It is not impossible that NAMA could be voted through on Set 16. There are a lot of entrenched, vested interests who want this on the statute book now and no more messing around and they will be making a lot of heat behind the scenes for Lenihan and their other FF buddies, perhaps even hotter and sooner than FF would wish.

In that scenario the Sept 19 Rally might have an echo of a bolting horse and a door slamming shut.

Everyone should support the Sept 12 Rally and the combined forces should make for a bigger one on the 19th while hoping that the above scenario does not play itself out.

by Cyberman - Galactic Peoples Union Wed Sep 02, 2009 16:13

The only way the bill could get through before 19 September is if the Greens were dumped. But then Cowen wouldnt have the votes to get it through. At present its 82 - 82. If the GP went then it would be 88 76. Evenn if a coupke of the FF deserters came back the bill would not be passed.

The 12 September "demo" is a distraction called by an organisation which sprang from nowhere. Its founder had the neck to call it the Irish Peoples Union!

The demos on 16 & 19 September should be supported.

by NoAgain - The Anti-Organisation Thu Sep 03, 2009 11:56

Opinion Poll, Irish Times today. FF 17 % , Cowan 15 % , General Election Now 75 %

It's all over for Cowan and the Fianna Fail Government, for them this is the pits. Labour on 24 % are now the Second Party in the State , to be confirmed in the next General Election.

Fine Gael on 34 % are now DOUBLE Fianna Fail , the list of Woes for Fianna Fail is Dreadful.

I could see it coming - my old widowed mother of 86 years of age finally left the Fianna Fail Party this year :-)

They have no hope of running any sort of a Lisbon Campaign now, they're destitute as well as bankrupt, Cowan & Lenihan, Martin & Roche , are Dead Men Walking .

Cuts of 5 per cent ? Those cuts will be 10 per cent or more ! ( when Lisbon is ' Out of the Way ' ) .

A lot of horrible things are just waiting to happen when ' Lisbon is out of the Way ' - mark that down for your TV debates, our spokespersons !! !

If you're single, don't go out, don't drink, don't smoke, don't go on holidays, don't do anything but chat over the net, read your books, watch TV, don't overshop for food, get your clobber in the Charity Shop, have something like photography as a Hobby, just like me - you'll be fine :-)

PROVIDING you don't have to rent a flat or a house - the RENT ALLOWANCE is going to be cut by a quarter, abolished in a lot of cases on the pretext that kids are abusing it to leave their parental homes and their parents are ' concerned' - in fact the rent allowance will be phased out altogether over three budgets , phone Mary Hanafin and she'll probably concede that this could happen !

( I like Mary, she responds, she tells as much of the truth as the Government will allow her too ) .

I console myself that I've been through all this before, in the Sixties, when I was on a tenner a week in the Custom House as an E.O. , went without dinner most days, and had to bail out to Britain to survive !

And the 70's, 80's were tough, the 90's were a bit better, but not much., the 2000's were fine...

And your man with a pension of 26 millions, and the other guy with bank loans of 93 millions, no, capitalism has not worked for Ireland, we need a good dose of Socialism now in the Mix, starting with nationalising the banks ( should have been done first day ! ) -

Vote NO to stop the cuts and get them out :-)

by DreamWeaver - none Sat Sep 12, 2009 03:20

As a guy who has won and lost in investment, I understand risk.

So, you take a punt . . . you win OR you lose. Thats the way it is.

Unless you are a banker or a developer.

You win, you win. You lose, er,. you don't lose . . . cos the Irish taxpayer will bail you out.

Fine. A cultural thing and so on.

But NOT if it brings us right back to the 80's with marginal taxes in the 70% plus rate.

Back to the stone age. But 20 years later. So much for progress.

But, here's the twist: it doesn't have to be like that. Listen to David Mc Williams .. . .

So why?

Well, my belief is that the banks hold records going back a long long time. And no political party wants to risk pissing them off . .

So lets take it on the chin like we always do, because there really is no difference between the political parties on this little isle.

Back to home brewing for me . . .

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by Colm Sat Sep 19, 2009 20:23

Very poor attendance again at todays protest. I would estimate around 1500. Considering the news has been nothing but Nama for the past month, and this march has been publicised fairly heavily, I despair about people actually doing something when they are anrgy about politicians bailling out banks and biulders.

by Morrisey Sat Sep 19, 2009 22:38

150,000 marched against he pension levy, 100,000 against the war, 60,000 against he cuts in education - and it made no difference. Why would you expect people to turn out for something which everybody knows won't change anything? The country has to be ground to a halt, unfortunately this neccessitates action of the unions & we've seen from March 30th the atrophied state they're in.

by Pissed off Sat Sep 19, 2009 22:55

General strike is whats needed
All the marching form point a to b isnt gonna change a thing,never has
More militancy needed on all levels.

by Norwegian Joe Sun Sep 20, 2009 14:58

Yesterdays marches in Dublin and Cork were small, maybe 2,000 in Dublin and 200 in Cork but I do think that has a lot to do with people thinking that these protests could not stop Nama. If the marches had been organised by the trade unions then they would have been significantly bigger. ICTU has mentioned organising a campaign against the cuts with demos and maybe strikes. If they did this then I think the numbers involved would be 100,000 plus. The smaller left parties and groups have an important role to play but the unions can make a qualitive difference because of the authority they have in the working class and they also have major resources. There was modest media coverage for yesterdays protests, that is not the fault of the organisers it reflects the bias of the media. If ICTU had called the demos then it would have been the biggest news item for days beforehand and it would have been a talking point throughout society. Most people were not consciously aware of yesterdays demos and therefore I don't think they were seen by people as significant events.
Unite supported yesterdays demo but they didn't take it seriously. I saw no evidence at all of Unite promoting the demo in Dublin. I am a Unite member and I got a email from the union two days before the Dublin march and the demonstration wasn't mentioned! If the Unite leadership are serious about playing a real role in leading a struggle against the cuts then they should take up Jack O'Connor's comments last week about ICTU and the unions organising a campaign and make this a major issue in the movement and in society.