German Neo-Nazi party open squatted social centre

by lost translations Fri Aug 14, 2009 19:57

English Nazi Slogans Are Legal, German Court Rules

Using Nazi symbols and slogans is a punishable crime in Germany. But now neo-Nazis may have more leeway after a federal German court ruled that slogans are not illegal if they are translated into another language.

Is a Nazi slogan still a Nazi slogan if it is uttered in English instead of German?

Not necessarily -- at least according to Germany's Federal Court of Justice. In a landmark decision Thursday, the Karlsruhe-based court ruled that using Nazi slogans translated into a language other than German would not, in general, be a punishable crime. The ruling is linked to a case in which a neo-Nazi was prosecuted and fined €4,200 ($6,000) in 2005 for distributing clothing and merchandising bearing the slogan "Blood and Honour," written in English. With the ruling, the court overturned the verdict against the neo-Nazi, who was not named, but said it could still be possible to prosecute him under other laws relating to right-wing extremism.

more : "Lost in Translation" news from Spiegel's English website : http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,6422....html

The group "Blood and Honour" was founded in Texas in the 1980's spellt (spelled) without a "U" as "honor". It was declared muribund by the "top ten neo-nazi" Tom Metzger in the last decade but the recipe of violence & skinhead aesthetic undoubtedly caught the imagination and loyalty of many neo-Nazi's in Europe where it has been criminalised in Germany, Austria and most recently the Spanish state as a criminal organisation unquestionably involved in conspiracy to murder and acts of murder.

by Sven Olsen. Sat Aug 01, 2009 21:48

Most germans were caught up in beinng called the "Master Race,"

Very few Scientfically well educated scientific Germans believed it.
A lot did.

When and Hamburg Berlin and and Dusseldorff were reduced to rubble..we learned our lesson

By the logic of the Nazis...the Chinese are the master race..

(The Chinese have the biggest heads and the World's highest IQs )

by hogworts - (iosaf) Sat Aug 01, 2009 20:36

Little Fassberg is exerting magnetic fields of attracting and repulsion these last ten days. NeoNazi's are happily planning their paint jobs and gigs and educational sessions suitable for a wide range of hitler youth type such as those who may make future pontiffs and the others who are just in it for the uncommonly cute skingirls, no smoking & chance not to be thought gay.

oh yes.

But where there are nazis and fascists not long does it take for their opponents (us I believe) to show up and yell slogans and scrawl graffiti.

Accordingly as the German law court dealing with an eviciton request went through the complex legal reasons for why the nazi's are in the hotel as "squatters", numerous protests were announced a bit of stir was noted which it is reported in mainstream German commercial press has extended to shots being fired (at whom i'm not sure nor by whom) and 24/7 police surveillance. Of course they would be new eastern German police lot who after the Pretzien summer solstice book burning of Anne Frank's diary got night classes on dealing with nazi's and getting a better idea if indeed they share a patrol car with one.

an opinion piece from last week in German on Germany Indymedia http://de.indymedia.org/2009/07/257004.shtml

a report from Speigel in English
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,6387....html

by hogworts - ( iosaf ) Thu Jul 23, 2009 21:30

The last commentator quite properly invites us to compare & contrast the German NPD with other neoNazi and far-right political groups & I presume with particular attention to social organisation and promotional strategies.

As we all know the BNP saw Andrew Bron elected as MEP for the UK Yorkshire and Humber region constituency with 9.8% of the vote. & as we all know the BNP sit with the NPD and are completely affiliated. I worked for the Church of England during a period of four years in the 1990's and remember how church bells throughout England went mostly un-heeded and could probably be rated at the very bottom of a list of community awareness behind the sound of unwelcome police sirens and even the ever tantalising ice cream van. Nobody would care if the bells were ringing in the local churches.

The 2001 Bradford race riots which occured just after the race riots in Burnley and Oldham (all 3 cities in the current BNP EU constituency) were as we know orchestrated by what was understood as the NF and a variety of skinhead groups. We of course also know that these were and are the people who canvassed for the BNP. Indeed I'd remind readers that a complete list of their IP's can be perused with particular interest to the Irish connections at this link :-
"Analysis of Irish involvement in neo Nazi "B&H" site" http://www.indymedia.ie/article/88985

Those riots were, I maintain & warn, the final articulation of what the fascists, neo-nazi's and third positionists saw as counter-productive to their longer term political and social goals.

They are, loathe as I am to admit, not stupid through their ranks and to their cores nor are they to be understood now through only localised national interpretative filters. What works now in Germany may work elsewhere soon - what worked in the UK in 2001 undoubtedly is being tried elsewhere now.

I'd finish for the moment by saying :-

:=: what is most to be feared is not the violent fash or neo-nazi (bearing in mind the recent publication of the Spanish state report on near impunity for race attacks, desecrations and neo-Nazi activity roganised from Valencia for the whole Iberian peninsula c/f http://www.movimientocontralaintolerancia.com/download/...9.zip http://www.accio-popular.org/

:=: nor what is most to be feared is the glib publicity exercises of the European far-right seeking legitimacy.

but rather -

:+: the idea that they could get social centres together and build an underground conscienceness based on supposedly self-assertive or autonomous or proactive values which are anti-system and traditionally anti-capitalist.

Coz if we let them into that space - we've given them the 21st century's Hitler youth.

Surely none of you think every hitler youth member was a skinhead?

by Against Thu Jul 23, 2009 13:11

NPD is nothing comparing to what you can find in England and East Europe. Besides in Germany there are strong anti-racist organizations and anarcho-communist movements. \

I have a friend from Saxony (Germany). Every time the nazis gather for protest in a small town, the rest of the people ring the bells of the local church in order to annoy them. Go do that in England and you will end up beaten up.