Waterford Occupation: A Snapshot Of A 'Tiny Ugly World' / Interview with Joe Kelly (UNITE)

by J Tue Mar 16, 2010 14:50

In Ireland the issue of reckless trading centers around recieving credit when it is obvious the company is insolvent ie. Will not be able to repay this debt. It is imparative to seek http://www.irishliquidations.ie/director_insolvency_adv....html from professionals if such situation arises.

by A.R Mon Jun 15, 2009 12:35

A new short film on Waterford Crystal can be found here; I'm sure it can be located on a different site as well. Worth a watch.

http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2009/06/13/raise-t...ments

by ExLabour - myself Tue Feb 10, 2009 00:54

with regard to the situation at Waterford Crystal, the contributor Sceptic' makes common sense points about W.C. At present there is no long term solution to the crisis at Waterford crystal. Nationalising the company would solve nothing, making expensive crystal with no where to sell ?.

the crises in this industry is worldwide, problems at factories in the czech republic etc.

the Goverment will have to come up with programs, to retrain people etc for when the economy rebound.
Saying that there is a Crisis of Capitalism, helps nobody, we have had crises before & will the future, unfortunately capitalism is adaptable....

by folksinger Thu Feb 05, 2009 10:21

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGfdvg2XyEc

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by Sceptic Wed Feb 04, 2009 20:05

British company law is different from Irish – there would be a danger if the Irish Government intervened that it could be found by the courts to be preferring one set of creditors and /or find itself becoming liable for all or much of the debts of the Group which are substantial. Right now the British authorities have more ready money than the Irish also.

That would not necessarily prevent the Irish Government doing something about the pensioners but they would be loath to do so because of the danger of having to pick up the tab for other private sector unfunded liabilities.

Certainly they won’t do anything on either front until such time as it is clear if there will be a private buyer or not. This is not something Martin Cullen can change on its own – it’s a national not a regional matter and it’s not within his power to change the policy.

There is no point in picketing Deloitte – they just happen to provide the receiver but he is in fact an agent of the courts for this job. Deloitte cannot tell him what to do. He is not their employee for this purpose. If the receiver thinks the best thing to do is to cease production he is bound by law to do that. He has no discretion. If you have an argument with that your argument is with the law. Personally abusing the receiver is futile.

There is also no point in going on about the banks. That industry is vital for credit, money transmission and confidence. A call has been made that it is better to bail them out than to allow one to fail in the national interest.

The crystal industry is not so vital. Moreover some of the best business brains around half lost nearly half a billion in trying to sort it out. If the State took it over it would loose another half billion even faster. That is the fear. Besides while there may be some argument for the State owing transport or energy or postal entities there is none for owning a crystal making company that has seen better days. The unfortunate fact is that though it is a traditional industry in the South East it is not ordained that it must or should last forever if people don’t buy its products. Unlike their parents the under 50s of the wealthy nations of the world generally prefer other types of tableware to the Waterford product.

by Kevin Wed Feb 04, 2009 16:49

Seems the British Government can step in for Wedgwood to safeguard jobs...See Here...http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0204/wedgwood.html .

Why can't the Irish Government not do the same for Waterford Crystal. Also why is there so much silence from Martin Cullen, the local TD. Is he waiting for something positive to happen so that he can jump on the bandwagon, as he seems to do all the time lately,without contributing anything himself.

Looks like these FiaFianna Fáil muppets are a bunch of Me Feiners and are only interested in anything when they come out of it in a good light.

But then again Martin Cullen's track record ain't that great anyway, jumping from one party to another to suit himself. I guess it's time for a change in government. Put someone in there who is actually interested in doing something for the people, in this case Waterford Crystal craftsmen. If these Jobs go, who is going to teach the next generation to blow, cut and manufacture glass.

by Saoirse - Republican Sinn Fein Wed Feb 04, 2009 14:27 saoirse at iol dot ie 223 Parnell St 01 8729747

Statement by Republican Sinn Féin Vice President Des Dalton
In a statement in support of the Waterford Crystal workers the Vice President of Republican Sinn Féin and Athy Town Council local election candidate Des Dalton said:
“With their ongoing sit-in the workers of Waterford-Wedgwood are leading the way by sending out a clear message throughout Ireland and internationally that workers are not prepared to simply roll over and allow their livelihoods to be taken away.

“The Dublin government is on the one hand prepared to recapitalise the banks from the ‘National Pension Reserve Fund’ whilst on the other no support is forthcoming for the workers of Waterford and the hundreds of thousands facing the loss of their jobs. In Waterford workers who have given up to 40 years service to the company now face the real prospect of being left without a pension.
The same prospect faces many other workers also.

“Working people have no great cash reserves or secret off-shore bank accounts. They pay their tax at source, their main and in many cases only asset is their job. Their job is their means to live with dignity and respect, to rear and educate their children and put a roof over their heads. The workers of Waterford Crystal are striking a blow for all workers and it is the duty of all workers and the entire trade union movement to fully support them. Rarely has the old trade union slogan ‘An injury to one is an injury to all’ carried more meaning or relevance.”

Ends.

by Andrew Tue Feb 03, 2009 16:31

I thinks your writing style in the intro is much too compact (a lot of ideas packed into a small space) which means it's hard for those who don't already know the point your making to understand it. I skimmed over it without catching on. In general I'm not sure writing in a way that requires people to follow links is useful, but in this case it also takes them away from the actual content your introducing. I'd say its worth expanding the 3 or so paragraphs out into 6 so even an idiot can catch the point your making.

by ranter Tue Feb 03, 2009 13:32

And what does not make sense in the article?

It's simply pointing out that the same bank (BOA) is involved in withdrawing lines of credit from the Occupied Factories in Chicago and Waterford. The same Bank now OWNS Merrill Lynch who are advising the government here on their troubles. It is a Republican Bank and they are actively involved in frustrating the rights of workers to unionise in the US.

The government here are going to use billions to bail out banks imminently but so far have not lifted a finger to help the workers in Waterford - they are most probably on the side of the vultures (former management) who at the end of the day want the Waterford brand without the hinderance of having to deal with unionised workers.

The tiny ugly world is the 'circle of shit' (tm. Jinx) that links the two situations,

by roper - wsm Tue Feb 03, 2009 12:16

JK said: "Any chance we can read the interview rather than another obscure WSM rant. Alternatively change the title of the feature article"

Hi J.K. - the interview is linked to in the first couple of lines. Its an mp3 rather than a typed up interview. The 'rant' as you call it was not written by the WSM - I guess an editor inserted it. I don't think it makes much sense either...

by fm Tue Feb 03, 2009 12:06

http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0203/wedgwood.html

by J.K Tue Feb 03, 2009 11:46

Any chance we can read the interview rather than another obscure WSM rant. Alternatively change the title of the feature article.

Cheers

by Sceptic Tue Feb 03, 2009 11:37

It’s not a question of tragic capitalist mismanagement. It’s simpler than that. Waterford was a privately owned company producing luxury good. Because sales were poor or costs out of line or both the company eventually failed. It happens all the time that some firms fail while others succeed and new ones come into being. Nationalising Waterford won’t in any way guarantee its commercial success – people in foreign markets are going to start buying its crystal because it has turned into a semi state. The State would be left to fund ongoing losses as well as the substantial debts and liabilities of the firm. In the present climate this cannot be afforded.

The best and only way forward if it has a future is a new investor buying the brand and continuing production overseas with a continuing showroom presence and maybe some minimal manufacturing presence in the South East. But occupying the showroom is not going to encourage this. It will have the opposite effect.

by RTE listener Tue Feb 03, 2009 10:34

Talk of "revolution" in Ireland on Pat Kenny this morning...

by Anne Tue Feb 03, 2009 02:03

The pseudonym 'Sceptic' appears with monotonous regularity when FF and whatever fools or knaves they have currently propping them up is, in any way, perceived to be theatened.

It would be informative to the wider country if the private security company employed in Kilbarry was named; it would then be possible to see connections which may well prove interesting.

by reg Tue Feb 03, 2009 01:49

any chance that those private security are the same lot that stormed the irish ferries a few years back
https://www.indymedia.ie/article/73194

by bonker Tue Feb 03, 2009 00:32

2 or three billion would find its way into a hell of a lot more honest pockets in waterford than it will in AOB HQ

by Gearóid, Tír Eoghain Mon Feb 02, 2009 23:37

Don't worry, I'm not falling for the old agent provocateur's tactic of diverting energy from the workers' cause by engaging in petty exchanges with an obvious gombeen of the boss class. Suffice to say that 'Sceptic' would be one of the most whole hearted cheerleaders for a Harney/McCreevy/Marie-Antoinette solution for the brave workers in Waterford who are merely the latest victims of tragic capitalist mismanagement.

Let the workers show that they can run their own affairs at Waterford. Unfortunately, they can't rely on the cheerleaders for cringing 'social partnership' that pass themselves off as trade union leaders in the 26 counties. Victory to the workers at Waterford! Nationalise Waterford Crystal!

by Sceptic Mon Feb 02, 2009 21:54

This ignored that the basic problem at Waterford is that not enough people wanted their products. This led to insolvency at which point the board would have been bound by law to move to wind up the company to avoid a charge of reckless trading. Its hard to see how the occupation can change this reality. Ditto the pensions and redundancy issue - these have not been "stolen" - its that there is not enough assets in the firm to meet them. They could only be paid by diverting taxpayers money and the sums would be very large as these workers were very highly paid. Moreover a very significant precedent would be set which would lead to outlays of billions from public funds to meet similar claims - all of this money would have to be borrowed and would be payable by future generations. The occupation of the showroom is just damaging the region's tourism and image as well as putting off potential investors.

by Cork WSM Mon Feb 02, 2009 21:38 cork at wsm dot ie

The Waterford Glass workers have taken a stand. At a time when 'talks' and more 'talks' are leading to huge concessions for us workers - be that in the private sector or in the public sector - they have said enough! On Friday, very publically and with determination, the reacted to the threats and lies of the receiver appointed by Waterford Wedgewood, and seized the plant and offices at Kilbarry in Waterford city. The Workers Solidarity Movement salutes their stand and offers then full solidarity and support.

In the last while there has been an unprecedented assault on our living standards. Huge numbers of us have been put out of jobs or put on short time; we have been told bluntly 'Take a pay cut or your job is gone'. Our union leadership has reacted to this with offers of talks and with appeals for calm. While doing this they have leaned over backwards to meet the demands of the bosses and the Government. Against this scenario, the Waterford Glass workers have said NO MORE. The time for talking with your hands tied behind your back are over! Workers did not create this crisis and they sure aren't going to pay the huge price that is being asked to solve it!

The WSM is mindful of the reality that the Waterford Glass workers in Kilbarry are in very difficult situation. Their jobs are on the line and a blatant attempt has been made to rob them of not just of these jobs but also of any outstanding monies that are due to them. It is very clear also that the future for huge numbers of workers and their families are on the line here. This is an example of where solidarity can count and can make all the difference. It is crucial now that we build and show as much support as we can for the action of these workers. It is also vital that rank and file workers mobilise to help extend this action. We urge the following as a priority:

· Send message of support to the workers at Kilbarry F: +353-(0)51-332716

· Organise collections and send a delegation to visit the occupation

· Organise a solidarity protest where you live.

· Raise the issue in your union or college.

by Cork WSM Mon Feb 02, 2009 20:31

Some more photos from inside the occupation.

Canteen

Foyer

Leaflet for Wednesday's March

Reception

Rosters to organise all of the aspects of running the occupation