Free Mumia world tour

by Skeptical me Fri Mar 23, 2007 05:33

And how does one explain the Policeman being shot with Mumias Revolver?

by Catlady Fri Mar 23, 2007 15:39

That's hardly the point... I'm no expert on his case, but it would seem that he never stood a chance of a fair hearing, given the political and police corruption at the time of the killing. I can't wait for this event.

by This Fist Begets This Sword... - personal cap Fri Mar 23, 2007 16:17

Skepticisim and openmindedness are good companions..go along and ask your questions of his supporters.
The death penalty in the USA has an extreme racial bias and that alone is a good reason to question/listen to any people affected by it. There is a new Amnesty campaign at the moment to end the death penalty and I believe in ending it for both guilty and innocent - the recent hanging of Saddam Hussein is a case in point- the death penalty is vengence not justice.
As regards the Mumia story it appears to me that the police force have a strong vested interest in his case not being reopened.There are loads of links and analysis of the case on ZNET if you are interested.why did the Birmingham 6 have all that gunpowder residue on their hands ..

by residue Fri Mar 23, 2007 17:29

The Birmingham 6 did not have "gunpowder residue" on them. They had another substance which was used to put the gloss on cardboard but which is also used is explosives. In their case their hands were contaminated with this substance which was later found to be contained on the surface of playing cards.

by Skeptical me Fri Mar 23, 2007 18:52

none of the birmingham 6, nor death penalty issues explains why officer Daniel Faulkner was shot with Mumias Registered Revolver. A .38 calibre mumia purchased in 1979

http://danielfaulkner.com/

http://danielfaulkner.com/docs/SummaryofCaseFacts.pdf

http://danielfaulkner.com/docs/ResponsetoAmnestyInterna...l.pdf

Mind you, Mumia is very erudite, but should it exuse his actions that day?
I dont think a Murderer should be exhalted just because he writes so well.

by T.F.B.T.S. - Personal cap Fri Mar 23, 2007 23:04

Yep yep twas the stuff from the playing cards ...My only point was that both evidence and justice can be scarce commodities in any legal system anywhere.I think the gig sounds great, and I think there are huge questions regarding the case either side, the discredited police department and the history of political activisim in mumias case make me particularly interested. I dont know nutin bout no gun officer... but what about all the people killed in the move house? or the soldiers coming home from Iraq after killing people. Do we discount everything they ever do in the future or do we try to treat them fairly with humanity and listen to their voices and change things for the better..

by Batman Wed Mar 28, 2007 21:13

Sounds very interesting. Where in Dublin will the talks be?

by Pat G. Thu Mar 29, 2007 06:18

So Mumia's Innocent because of the MOVE Bombing?

From what I've read here it's perfectly fine to be a Murderer because one is Politically active?

Did Gandhi Murder his fellows?

God Help us all then, Mumias not my golden oxen, just a thug....

by gentedemaiz Thu Mar 29, 2007 12:18

Just to point out to "Skeptical (although poorly informed) me" that Daniel Faulkner was shot with a .44 caliber bullet, according to the coroners report. Mumia carried a .38 revolver for his own protection; he had been robbed twice in the month before. To add to this, one of the main prosecution witnesses, Veronica Jones, was put on the stand in the original prosecution trial under duress from the prosecution. She was forced to lie by the police and when she made an attempt to clarify this in a hearing for a retrial in 1995, she was arrested immediatley afterwards on a charge related to a cheque which had bounced. This provided a media coup for the opposition at the time and led to her evidence being discounted by Judge Sabo who presided over the hearing. The same Judge Sabo who originally sentenced Mumia to death in 1982. Strange to see an appeal for a retrial being resided over by the same Judge who ordered the execution and who reportedly said he would "fry the nigger". Just some of the many many elements of this trial which raise serious questions over the actions of the police and prosecution at the time, apart from judicial bias...
The talk and video showing is on in the National University of Ireland, Galway, in the O'Flaherty theatre at 7pm on April 10th.

by Skeptical Me Thu Mar 29, 2007 12:58

Shot with a .44 Calibre?

"Ballistics tests verify that Officer Faulkner was killed by a .38 Caliber Federal Arms Special +P bullet. It’s been proven that the gun used to kill Officer Faulkner had the same general rifling characteristics that Mr. Jamal’s Charter Arms .38 Caliber handgun has. Further, Mr. Jamal’s own ballistics expert, George Fassnacht, has agreed under oath that the bullet that killed Officer Faulkner was not .44 caliber and was most likely a .38.

The only shred of documentation inferring the bullet that killed Officer Faulkner was .44 caliber, was Dr. James Hoyer’s hand written notation to himself. This notation made on a piece of scrap paper by Dr. Hoyer and simply stated "44 cal". Dr. Hoyer, a medical doctor who had no formal ballistics training, testified in 1995 that his notation was not meant to be part of his final report and that he had intended to discard it.

Dr. Hoyer also stated that he had measured the badly distorted bullet with a standard ruler, which he acknowledged was a "highly inaccurate instrument." He further admitted that, in retrospect, the measurement was consistent with a .38 caliber bullet, not a .44. Dr. Hoyer also stated that when he made his erroneous observation, he had no idea that the bullet he was measuring was
+P ammunition.

This unique type of high velocity ammunition has a hollow base that expands on impact. He stated that had he known this, he would not have guessed that the bullet was ".44 Cal". Dr. Hoyer further stated that he has no formal ballistics training. Therefore, he states, he wasn’t qualified to make his observation in 1981.

Finally, George Fassnacht, Jamal’s own ballistics expert has twice stated that the bullet was not a .44 Caliber bullet.

Should someone think that the gun found next to Jamal at the crime scene, was thrown there by someone else to frame Mr. Jamal, they would be wrong. It should be noted that Mumia Abu- Jamal was wearing an empty shoulder holster when the police apprehended him, and the gun found next to him was legally purchased by him and registered in his name.

As stated above, the original notion that the bullet was .44 caliber came from a note made by an Assistant Medical examiner, not the ballistics expert. Leonard Weinglass, Jamal's current lead defense attorney, regularly seizes on this otherwise meaningless notation and twists it's significance to claim that the bullet was .44 caliber.

At the 1995 PCRA appeals hearing, Mr. Weinglass asked Doctor Hoyer about his notation: Weinglass, "What is it doctor?" Dr. Hoyer: "It’s a notation I made on a piece of paper that was normally, normally discarded." (8-9-95 T.R. 186) Later in his testimony Dr. Hoyer is asked by Assistant DA Arleen Fisk if he has ever had any formal ballistics training: ADA Fisk: "Am I correct sir, that you’ve never had training in the field of ballistics and firearms identification?" Dr. Hoyer: "I’ve never had formal training in that, that is correct." Ms. Fisk: "And am I correct that in 1981 you were by no means an expert in that field?" Dr. Hoyer: "That is correct." Ms. Fisk: "Would I be correct that any statement by you as to the caliber of any projectile would merely be a lay guess and not that, not the valuation of an expert in the field of ballistics?" Dr. Hoyer: "Correct." (8-9-95 T.R. 191-192)

Later Assistant DA Arlene Fisk also asks Dr. Hoyer what instrument he used to make is observation. Ms. Fisk: "Dr. Hoyer what method did you use to measure items and dimensions you gave in reports back in December, 1981?" Dr. Hoyer: "I would have placed the item against a millimeter ruler and measured it visually." (8-9-95 T.R. 199)

Several things oddly stand out;

o-Mumias Own Brother Has NEVER testified to his Brothers Innocence, yet he was within feet of Officer Faulkner when he was shot.

o-Testimony of Robert Chobert

Twenty-two year old Robert Chobert was a cab driver, parked directly behind Officer Faulkner's patrol car, just two car lengths away from where he fell. Only moments after the shooting, Robert Chobert physically identified Mumia Abu-Jamal as the killer, and was then transported to Philadelphia's main police station, the "Round House," arriving there at 4:15 AM. At 4:25 AM, just 35 minutes after the shooting, Mr. Chobert gave his statement to police.

He stated: "I was writing down on a pad how much my fare was. Then I heard a shot. I looked up and I saw a cop who was on the pavement next to his car, his car was parked a little in front of my car. I saw the cop fall to the ground when I looked up and I saw this black male stand over the cop and shoot him a couple of more times. Then I saw the black male start running towards 12th St. He didn't get very far, maybe thirty or thirty-five steps and then he fell. I got out of my cab and started walking over to the cop. When I got up to him all of the sudden all of the cops came and told me to get back. Then I got back in my cab and I was getting ready to leave, but they had me blocked in." (Chobert Statement, 12-9-81)

Mumia Abu-Jamal was found with a gun at his side, in the exact spot that Mr. Chobert said the killer fell. Mr. Chobert further stated, that there was a second man at the scene, William Cook. In his written statement to police, when asked what happened to this man, Mr. Chobert said, "I saw another guy running, but the police got him too." (Chobert Statement, 12-9-81) Robert Chobert clearly states, that both the man who killed Faulkner (Jamal) and the man who had been in from of the car with Officer Faulkner before the shooting started, (Cook) had been captured.

At the Motion to Suppress, while being questioned by Jamal, who was acting as his own attorney at the time, Mr. Chobert is asked:

Jamal, "You did see the cop being shot- the man shoot the cop?"

Chobert- "Yeah, I said I did didn't I."

Jamal- "Well, you sure did. And you saw me in the back of the wagon didn't you?"

Chobert- "Yes, I did." Jamal- "What made you certain it [I] was the same man?"

Chobert- "Because I saw you, buddy. I saw you shoot him!" Jamal- "You saw me-" Chobert- I saw you shoot him, and I never took my eyes off you until you got in the back of the wagon. (6-2-82, TRIAL RECORD PG. 2.74-5)

At the 1982 trial, Mr. Chobert's testimony was as follows: "I heard a shot. I looked up, I saw a cop fall to the ground, and then I saw Jamal standing over him and firing some more shots into
him. Then I saw him [Jamal] walking back about ten feet and he just fell by the curb." (6-19-82, TRIAL RECORD PG. 210-211)

The jury heard about Mr. Chobert's discrepancy in the distance that he had originally stated Jamal "ran," as it compared to his testimony. While cross-examining Mr. Chobert, Jamal's attorney repeatedly questioned him about the fact that he had altered this detail in his story. Chobert stood up to this blistering crossexamination and stated, "I know who shot the cop and I ain't going to forget it." (6-19-82, T.R.27)

by EcoSoc Sat Mar 31, 2007 21:46

Batman, Venues are not yet confirmed for the dates outside Galway.I believe it might be the Nerve centre in Derry and 'The Hall'in glenamoy.
Skeptical me and everyone else above- come to the gig the more opinions the better!
I recomend the DVD 'Mumia, a case for reasonable doubt'if anyone wants to catch up. Mumias not Ghandi and you're not either pat but hopefully we'd both have a right to a fair trial if we found ourselves in Mumias position.

by Truthseeker Mon Apr 02, 2007 18:40

For the TRUTH about Mumia and his trial, and rebuttals to the myths spread by his supporters, go here:

http://www.danielfaulkner.com/original/mythsdir.html

by mark malone - wsm pers cap Mon Apr 02, 2007 19:19

As far as i know this event will take place in the ATGWU on middle abbey street on Wed 11th April

i confirm this asap

by Ecosoc - Ecosoc Thu Apr 12, 2007 12:06

Large turnout for talk in NUIG
There was a huge turnout for the talk held in NUIG on tuesday evening with Fred Hampton Jnr and members of the MOVE organisation, as well as with Noelle Hanrahan, director of Prison Radio. The mayor of Galway, Niall O'Brolchain, made a symbolic handover of the keys of Galway to Pam Africa, echoing Bernadette McAliskey's handover of the key to the city of New York to the Black Panthers in the early 1970s. On a night with a charged atmosphere, the seakers recieved a standing ovation at the end as they stood and saluted the audience...perhaps we are, as they say, onanmove...

Fred Hampton Jnr

Pam Africa

by respect Thu Apr 19, 2007 23:32

The only good sense of the word pathological - is its humour. Some of the most intelligent veins of our culture & yet oddly throwaway and short-lived are psycho-pathological references in jokes, cartoons, telly culture - what you laugh at. The most sublime artisan can create an object which fits multiple interpretations & thus remains to be admired if not enjoyed long after the joke and the circumstances which first gave it laughter have gone stale. Only occasionally is it worthwhile pointing out to a laughing person that they have missed the joke or punchline. We are happy enough to see them or make them laugh (if we artisans or joke tellers are honest enough).

This cartoon by Steve Bell who is a craftsman who for many years has published his work in "The Guardian" is part of his ongoing contractual obligations and for a readership who are in the main very predictable in their concerns, prejudices, reactions & funny bone tickles. It's for the Virginia Campus Massacre. http://www.guardian.co.uk/cartoons/stevebell/0,,2060767....html
the speech bubble makes you laugh. Now look again at the arm Bush conceals under his jacket with his left hand - how he holds it. Is he a soldier? a liar? or just concealing a weapon? is it an expensive one? is it made of plastic? does it have a night sight? did a Black Panther ever carry one? Is it an "assault weapon". Can you buy it on hired purchase or credit? Is it heavy? Is it worth the price or is something more of the design classic better? Does your neighbour have one? Is it compatible with your bullets? Could you stop a mutant earth worm with it? Is it in the words of Virgil the weapon suitable to the purpose? Well even if it isn't put it back in the tool box & find something else.
http://nyc.indymedia.org/es/2007/04/85292.html

IT's better to just get the punchline and laugh. Don't think too much......................not
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2007/04/357903.shtml

by Yousuf Loughnane - NUIG Wed Jan 23, 2008 04:01

The minute someone is more interested in the death of a cop and less so in the persecution of an entire race, that is when you know they hate the person who is meant to be guilty for that cop's killing. Its the same all the time, they won't actually say they have a problem with the person in question's views, rather they want to discredit him another way, more indirect if you know what I mean.

by Sean Ibn Robert Wed Jan 23, 2008 07:14

So now Murder is excused because the Murderer is writer. The reverse Racism here is palpable. Policeman Faulkners life is nothing because he was white compared to Mumias black skin. Note to world, blacks can commit muder as much as whites. sometimes murderers can do well at expressing themselves in the written word.

I find it disgusting to support a racist murderer such as Jamal, I sincerely hope he rots in hell for his depraved act.