Belfast Ógra Students Launch Recruitment Drive

by why? Thu Mar 01, 2007 01:41

To join Ógra Sinn féin is to join a Pro-British rule party.

A vote for Sinn Féin = A vote for British rule.

No to collabration with forces of occupation.

Collabration = failure

by Kim Thu Mar 01, 2007 20:26

Ok Why. So you do not agree with Sinn Fein's stance on policing.
Therefore you must have a better solution to solving the issue, otherwise you are just full of vinegar and piss. Care to enlighten us?

by Big Mac Fri Mar 02, 2007 15:25

Sinn Fein's stance on Policing? Are there really people out there who believe that SF suddenly decided it was in the interests of peace to support the only armed British Police force formerly known as the RUC. Call an Ard Fheis to get the backing of their grassroots for a Police Force proven without a shadow of a doubt to have colluded with Loyalists by Nuala O Loone so that we might move on?
Wise up, Paisley forced it on them at St. Andrews, we all saw the look of defeat on their faces as they walked out to face the media.
Paisley forced decommissioning on them as he also forced them to stand down the IRA.
The fact is the leadership of SF led their party down a road from where there was no coming back and the only way to save face might be if they were to gain the acceptance of the DUP and get something we could have achieved in the 70s without bloodshed.
The way forward seems to be going back.

by Doire Boy Fri Mar 02, 2007 22:56

So paisley forced the IRA to give up their guns and submit to the crown.
You sure do not have much respect for the volunteers who fought a war and gave up their lives and their freedom to help out the Nationalist people of Ireland if you believe that load of clap trap.
The IRA had the brits and the unionists quaking in their boots for decades. Then all of a sudden they just chuck in the towel and bow down before paisley. Do you actually believe that?
It was obvious to anyone with more than 10 brain cells that the conflict was only going to take us so far. Things had reached a stalemate. Kill a Catholic. Kill a Protestant in retaliation. Then kill a Catholic to retaliatate for that. On and on and on. Is that what you prefer to have?
If the IRA had nothing to gain then they would not have stood down. Buying in to policing is just one step closer to breaking free from London rule and one step closer to a United Ireland. At least now Sinn Fein have a hand in steering the police force in a direction that suits Nationalists.The people who voted to support Adams and Co. had the brains to look at the big picture. The people who cry about it can not see past the end of their own noses. These are the people who are playing into paisleys hands. Seeing Nationalist against Nationalist and Republican against Republican must have him laughing his leg off.

by Big Mac Sat Mar 03, 2007 15:30

Ah, Doire boy, obviously one of those who lets the big people do all the thinking for him and believe you me there's no shortage of those in Sinn Feign.
I have the greatest respect for our patriot dead but I believe that their sacrifice was in vain because what Adams and company are now pushing for was achievable in the 70s. If Sinn Feign had signed up for it then they would mostly be still alive.

However they didn't die so that the present day leadership could sign up for an agreement that copper fastens partition. No matter what lies your leadership peddles the trash being churned out about working towards a United Ireland from within the system is a lie going back to the 'stepping stones to a united Ireland' of Micheal Collins.

Paisley has smashed Sinn Feign because your leadership was greedy for power and ultimately surrendered everything in the hope that they could gain the acceptance of the DUP which they never will and where does that leave you? You have nothing left to bargain with.

Finally you obviously come from Doire, therefore how can you expect us to believe that even with a majority that your party can lead us into a United Ireland when they couldn't even get the London prefix dropped from the name of your city even with the backing of 90% of Derry people?

by Interested Mon Mar 19, 2007 22:57

Im just interested to know what big mac has done to allow him to sit on his high horse ?!

by Jez Mon Mar 19, 2007 23:36

"Im just interested to know what big mac has done to allow him to sit on his high horse ?!"
The same as all the rest of the knuckle-draggers who continue to try and keep us living in the dark ages. Sweet FA.

by Barry - 32 csm Tue Mar 20, 2007 00:24

Their ard feis motion was submitted to Ian Paisley beforehand for approval and the changes in it he demanded implemented prior to presentation to the Ard feis. PSFs stance on policing is the DUPs stance . One might as well join the DUP if one supports PSFs stance on British policing because the DUP wrote their policy for them.
This article carries a picture of people campaigning against the criminalisation of republican prisoners , yet this organisation campaigns for people to support , pass information to and join the repackaged RUC , a bunch of criminals . The outcome of which will naturally be the apprehension of republicans by the British police , their appearance before a Diplock court and their criminalisation in the blocks of Maghaberry .

The hypocrisy of this youth group never ceases to amaze me , its gone beyond stupidity into the clear water of political dishonesty .

by MrBailey Tue Mar 20, 2007 01:45

It never fails to amaze me that Sinn Fein talk amongst themselves as if the British populace of 1million people in Northern Ireland do not exist. Will you please understand that in our being British, we are not de facto insulting your sense of Irishness..we cannot help being British anymore than Imran Khan can help being Pakistani or Jacques Chirac can help being Frech. I agree, the Plantation was evil and should never have happened but we cannot build time machines and correct the distant past. We are British and the northeast of the geographical entity of Ireland is part of the UK. Your argument for a united Ireland is a nonsensical and impractical as the Sioux et al demanding dominion over the USA. Our presence here is a permanent one and we are a very distinct people in terms of humour, outlook, opinion etc from Eire. And even if the UK administration left tomorrow, do you think the British on this island would simply accept it ?
The IRA were the cause of the conflict. Stormont couldh ave been resolved peacefully, that was the way the tide was turning. You will never trick or bomb the British into a 'united Ireland'.

by Gerry Tue Mar 20, 2007 14:53

To Mr Bailey

"It never fails to amaze me that Sinn Fein talk amongst themselves as if the British populace of 1million people in Northern Ireland do not exist."
The fact that Sinn Fein and the IRA have been trying to get into a power-sharing government and have bent over backwards to accomodate Unionists would suggest otherwise.

"Will you please understand that in our being British, we are not de facto insulting your sense of Irishness"
Of course its not. There are bigots and people with little tollerance in all communities who are just not prepared to see things from the other sides. As we saw recently with the England rugby team playing in Dublin, there are people so full of hate and ignorance that the very sight of a Union flag sends them over the age.

"We are British and the northeast of the geographical entity of Ireland is part of the UK."
Yes. But there are people in the six counties who consider themselves to be Irish as they were born in Northern Ireland, which geographically is be part of Ireland.

"Your argument for a united Ireland is a nonsensical and impractical as the Sioux et al demanding dominion over the USA."
Just as you feel passionate about being British and remaining part of the UK, appreciate there are those of us who are proud to be Irish and would like to see our country reunited. How you can just write the wants of a great many Irish people as being "nonsensical and impractical" is quite frankly narrow minded.

"Our presence here is a permanent one and we are a very distinct people in terms of humour, outlook, opinion etc from Eire."
You are as entitles to have your culture as anyone else. Again there are those who would try to deny you that. I think you will find the majority of decent Irish people will not.

"And even if the UK administration left tomorrow, do you think the British on this island would simply accept it ? "
If it was a democratic process where the majority of the population voted for it, yes. They would have to accept it.

"The IRA were the cause of the conflict."
No. The Unionists were the cause of the conflict. The IRA was a raction to to them. I sugguest you brush up on your history. Catholics were treated as second class citizens. Worst housing. Worst jobs. Remember the civil rights movement? The IRA, in their modern form, were born of that, in an desperate attempt to protect Catholics from Unionist tyranny.

"You will never trick or bomb the British into a 'united Ireland'. "
Of course not. If and when it happens it will be done politically and democratically.

by Big Mac Tue Mar 20, 2007 20:29

Ah, so there are those who are wondering what I did during the war? What did any of us do but follow the dictates of the Leadership and play our parts in attempting to remove British Rule from this part of Ireland. Many comrades died during that time referred to as the 'Dark ages' by the knuckle dragging Jez, in the hope that we could Smash Stormont and establish a 32 County Socialist Republic [ Where has that gone?].
It has gone because Paisley has Smashed Sinn Feign and turned that party into weaselly turn coats who would tout on their mothers if it could gain any kind of acceptance from he who they would have lead us in a British Statelet.
The SDLP were no different when they were the majority Nationalist Party and nothing has changed.