video trailar from today

by guydebord Mon Apr 17, 2006 01:23

keep up the good work, great footage. Fuck the blueshirts.

by popeye Mon Apr 17, 2006 13:00

Al I see there is people holding cameras stumbling and falling over, and shouting and screaming while others are arrested.

No clips of gardai doing anything other than restraining arrested individuals. No batons being swung(even if the camera op is shouting about batons). Tight handcuffs do not constitute police brutality.

Very dissappointing.

by Joe Mon Apr 17, 2006 13:06

Your the first person on indymedia to mention 'batons being swung'- why have you invented this claim in order to disprove it?

by scout Mon Apr 17, 2006 13:21

oh yeah we love to do that, there is nothing better to jump back on by my back with my cam on tripod and my laptop in the backpack

no bothy mentioned baton usage and arresting people for running throe a field a jumping on people, hitting them, hitting the cameras, pushing people on bicycles is of course normal police work as protection of us, citizens

if you got any emotional problems go express them somewhere else

by Keith Mon Apr 17, 2006 20:41

Is this some kind of joke? A group of people try to get into a large militaty base and you're all surprised that they met with resistance. I'm pretty sure that legally the army should have been the ones to stop them so really you should all be happy that you only had to deal with Gardaí. Personally, I don't care either way if Americans use our airspace. You can use this as evidence to say I'm biased if you want. I've watched the footage that was released so far and there is nothing at all to show the Gardaí acting like animals baying for blood. I hope the rest of the footage contains something to back up these brutality claims. Again, i think it's pretty funny that you're surprised that it hurts to get arrested or restrained. Of course it does. Did you think they were going to politely ask you to step into the back of the van. Besides, i specifically heard the cameraman ask the young lad being arrested if the Gardaí beat him and he said no. Thats the opposite to yes for those of you who are confused. This means the Gardaí didn't beat him. He did say the handcuffs were a bit tight but they're not designed with comfort in mind are they? i'm tired of reading all this crap about Garda brutality when they are just doing their jobs and from the camera footage shown are doing it pretty well.

by R. Isible Mon Apr 17, 2006 20:54

Did you think they were going to politely ask you to step into the back of the van

Why not? Are you arguing that you're so poorly trained the only thing you know how to do is to "bate" people and use unreasonable force? If you're such an incompetent moron that you don't know how to arrest someone without hurting them then you confirm the public's suspicions that the Gardai are: 1) poorly trained; 2) lacking in common sense; 3) bullies; 4) a danger to the security of the public.

If someone is acting violently then force can be legally justified in their arrest. If they're not then the legality of the arrest comes under scrutiny.

Moron.

by Dave Mon Apr 17, 2006 23:15

You're dead right Keith. Fair play. The lads in the white overalls at Baldonnel are just sad hippies. Get a life lads! By the looks of the comments here from their supporters they could do with extra tuition and learn how to spell insted of hanging around threatening national security. Sad lads, very sad...

by Keith Mon Apr 17, 2006 23:17

Call me crazy but i would call trying to invade a military base with force a violent act. Thats just me though.

by Mike Mon Apr 17, 2006 23:24

Can't do enough for these hippies! If they'd done this on a military base in the US they'd be in a prison hospital now, if they survived being shot first. The Irish government is too soft on these wasters. Enough is enough! Cop on and stop thinking your beliefs are "what's right". Majority says YOU are wrong. That's why we have a democracy. Fair play to An Garda Síochána for their patience. Well done lads.

by Seán Mon Apr 17, 2006 23:39

You said it mike! These people are the lowest of the low. Draining society day after day, attempting (and failing... AGAIN) to hijack a day when we celebrate our independence. nobody likes them but yet they continue. They fight the power as a means of dealing with their own personal and relationship issues (you know it's true).These people are sick! They'd protest at a funeral given half the chance. Acting like animals and terrorists around a military base! Where are their parents? They must be horrified at how these people, who the once called their children, have turned out. Shame on you all. Get a life.

by guy debord Mon Apr 17, 2006 23:41

More power to the blueshirts!!

by Coilín Tue Apr 18, 2006 00:04 Máigh Nuad, Co. Cill Dara 086 060 3818

This constitutes fairly hard evidence of assault, battery and probably other crimes, too. Why should a Garda wish to obstruct the camera unless he or his colleagues were themselves breaking the law? I suggest the cameraman make a statement, get other witnesses to make related statements and demand that criminal charges be brought against that Garda.

I suggest that this footage be presented in defence of each of the defendants, as evidence of Garda misconduct.

Similarly, if witnesses confirm that the video cameraman was repeatedly pushed and pulled about the place while attempting to record events, then their statements might be used to have all of the cases thrown out.

Also, the use of handcuffs on a protester who was clearly being completely cooperative was excessive. The video and still photos show that John was entirely cooperative: he got to his feet of his own accord and walked ahead of the Gardaí to the van. Congrats to the camera people on recording these abuses. I suggest John press charges for assault and battery.

As a doctor, I am also concerned about mention that "knees were applied to the neck or boots to the face". A knee to the neck is potentially lethal force, and a boot to the face can cause irreparable damage to eyes, nose, teeth, mouth, central nerves, etc. And neither of these is necessary for a Garda weighing 80-90 kg to arrest a protester who weighs 55-60 kg, particularly when the latter is lying on the ground.

If anybody submits a statement or presents any photographic evidence to show that this kind of force has been used, then I will gladly make a complaint and if necessary come to court to express my professional view that any Garda who has used such force, assuming the victim him/herself had not threatened anybody else with violence, has used excessive force. And, of course, I cannot be the only doctor who would be of this opinion and who would be obliged to express the same view, based on similar professional training and experience in dealing with injuries to the neck and face.

BTW, anybody who has been treated with excessive force should go to a doctor, e.g. Accident and Emergency Dept., to be checked out, have X-rays taken if necessary, etc. You may have sustained serious injuries, e.g. fractures of the vertebrae of the neck or bones of the face, even if you are not yet aware of it.

And, of course, the doctors' records can potentially be used as evidence in court.

Good luck,
Coilín.

by blaise Tue Apr 18, 2006 04:21

every telling has its taling - and the tales of the brave men who fought and gave their lives in 1916 do not need the injustice of your blasphemous Shannon-hijack of their noble cause. I suggest you seek out the RTE radio archives to have a listen to some of the survivors' wonderful stories of bravery and courage. If that doesn't move you - you are somewhat immovable.

While I do not agree with the Americans transporting anything of a military nature through our skies - it's to the skies we should have be looking on Easter Sunday to remember the good fellows who died and fought for us. You want the Americans out. The brave men of 1916 wanted the British out but their occupation was far more serious. There is a time for your grievances but Easter Sunday was not that time. Bow your heads in shame and look to the skies for redemption... that's the he and she of it.......

by (a)thiest Tue Apr 18, 2006 05:42

- and the tales of the brave men who fought and gave their lives in 1916 do not need the injustice of your blasphemous Shannon-hijack of their noble cause.e of it.......

The best way of remembering those men was by struggling against further imperialism...

by Coilín Tue Apr 18, 2006 22:02

After all, such nonsense must be meant in jest.

Are we to look to the skies for the resurrected Jesus, or for aircraft hijacked at Shannon? Either way, very funny. :)

Best,
Coilín.

by Real Deal Wed Apr 19, 2006 01:53

I hate these marches. All that passive stuff. If you had cracked one of their ( 5 d's in the leaving cert) skulls it would have made for good viewing. Or why not liven up the videos by naming and shaming the badge wearing scum. Do any of these terrorists live near you. If so watch your children. Kids are attracted by their shiny buttons.

by Keith Wed Apr 19, 2006 16:56

Coilin,

Maybe the garda was camera shy. I wouldnt want people filming me trying to do my job. And its not because im doing it wrong, it would just bother me. As a doctor i would think that you should understand this, given the ammount of medical negligence cases happening all over. Just because somebody has a camera, that doesnt give them any extra rights over other people. In fact, it gives them greater responsibility as everyone has a right to privacy in this country and that is easily breached. As to jostling the cameraman. He was pushed because he was in the way. Its that simple.

by himself Wed Apr 19, 2006 19:10

And YOU know this keith beacause YOU were there right! YOU are all knowing all seeing rite! get a life you pig! its really sad that you feel the urge to come onto this website and spew YOUR facist nonsense PIG!
i hope the YOU are'nt getting payed to sit at your computer hacking up the thread with your FACIST PIGshit.
Go set up a local branch of BNP or something i think you'd get on with them!

p.s.

a large number of medical proceedures are recorded for teaching purposes!

oink oink u dipshit

by Keith Thu Apr 20, 2006 14:11

I know it because you can plainly see it on the footage. I wasnt there myself. Dont see why i would be. I have as much a right to put my view across as you. If you dont believe that that kinda makes you a facist. Maybe you should hook up with the BNP. I myself am not a racist so i wouldnt be interested in it. If you think I am perhaps you could tell me what I said that was racist. Maybe if you could do it without capital letters that would be good too. Theres no real point in putting them in. Its not going to make me read them out loud or anything. Maybe you could put your name in your next post. Or are you to much of a rebel to do that. As for the fact that a large number of medical procedures are recorded, well that was kinda my point. Some doctors would get nervous of this fact as if anything goes wrong Irelands ridiculous legal system could have them loosing their jobs or even their freedom and they know this. I myself have been on one or two peaceful protests in my time that have ended quite well. Its funny how the same groups of people seem to be unable to have a peaceful protest evrer while many others can. You cant blame the Gardaí for that. Thats a problem within your own organisations.

by Starstruck Thu Apr 20, 2006 15:44

It is completely within your legal rights to film an officer of the State in the performance of their duties.
Good thing too,considering the way some of them do so.
Keith,seeing as you have attended peaceful protests that went off so well,you should empathise I expect with how OUR peaceful protest was going off well until the Gardai chose to assert their authority over it and us.
Come to the film screening if you wish to see the full fottage of eventsmthis is but a brief extract edited for continuing legal reasons.

by Niall Fri Apr 21, 2006 00:59

'He was pushed because he was in the way. Its that simple.'

Eh ... who was in whose way?!!

Who is working for change and who is in the way?

by T Fri Apr 21, 2006 11:58

Sorry lads, I'm not convinced that the Gardai did anything out of order in this video.........

by Keith Fri Apr 21, 2006 13:38

Im not just going by the short video clip but by the various accounts by people at the protest and the only thing the gardaí seem to have done was react with force when a group of people tried to get past them and pull down the fence. i ask what you expect them to do. The first guy i saw being arrested was helped up from the ground and handcuffed without any roughness. he even said himself that all that was wrong was the handcuffs were a bit tight. The second and third guys were handled roughly because they were struggling and the people around them were trying to interfere. I see this as proof that the Gardaí only used force when required and in this instance it seems it was required. i would like to see the entire footage but i wouldnt attend a video night hosted by anarchists because in my experience they tend to be more facist than any dictator and will not listen to any oppinion thats not theirs. Maybe ive just experienced the bad ones. Perhaps there are anarchists who are not hippocritical. if so i would like to talk to them. i would like them to tell me what they think will happen if they do bring down the government. What alternative do they have in mind?

by anon Fri Apr 21, 2006 15:27

Come back when you ahve something knowledgeable to say.

by . Fri Apr 21, 2006 16:10

have the filth nothing better to do with their time then trying to justify their actions here under pseudonyms?

by Keith Fri Apr 21, 2006 16:43

I think its plain retarded that you assume that just because someone doesnt think the Gardaí were wrong on this occasion that they must be "filth" themselves. Are ordinary people not allowed disagree with your view? Stinks of hippocracy to me. Your fighting to free the irish people from a facist government but only if they're prepared to believe the exact same things as you. I suggest you look up the word facist because most of you appear to fit the definition. Is there not one anarchist with a brain that can put forward an intelligent comment because your really damaging your cause by leaving it to this pack of amadáns.

by anon Fri Apr 21, 2006 16:47

Come back when you have something knowledgeable to say.

by MV Fri Apr 21, 2006 17:02

tried looking up facist and couldnt find it..
it is some sort of new world order based on the shape of peoples faces?
with a leader hatler, who wore the biggest cap?
or muscleenee with the big arms?
we shud be told..

by anarkid Fri Apr 21, 2006 17:39

we don't live in a fascist state. To say we do belittles the seriousness of facism

by Keith Fri Apr 21, 2006 18:45

So glad you can correct spelling. Unfortunately it doesnt really add any strength to your argument.

by . Sat Apr 22, 2006 01:35

a final post before you clock off from the cop shop eh keith?

by . Sat Apr 22, 2006 01:52

heres some of ur branch mates

by . Sat Apr 22, 2006 02:42

thanx editors

by Keith Sat Apr 22, 2006 11:48

If calling me a Garda makes you feel better about youself and helps you sleep at night go ahead. I'm actually a college student. But since when did mere facts get in the way of a good rant on Indy eh?

by Keith Sat Apr 22, 2006 22:25

Just watched the new footage. The gardaí look more in the right than before. The first guy arrested for taking a piss looked to be doin it on the side of the road not in a secluded area. good editing couldnt even help. They cut the bit were the second arrestee specifically said that no he wasnt beaten by the Gardaí. Really damages the credibility of the whole thing. Looks a little biased when you consider that it went through that kind of editing. Just for future reference, a garda doesnt have to tell everyone were they are taking a prisoner, especially if they dont identify themselves.

by Gaz B -(A)- Sat Apr 22, 2006 22:49

"They cut the bit were the second arrestee specifically said that no he wasnt beaten by the Gardaí.
I thought you said you weren't there? If you weren't there, how would you know what was and wasn't cut? I take it you'd also condemn the Gardai for denying people their right to a phonecall in the cop shop.

by Keith Sun Apr 23, 2006 10:01

There was a part in the first footage, the link above, in which the young lad says he wasnt beaten. in the new footage released on revoltvideo that part has mysteriously disappeared. If a person is legally allowed a phonecall they should have gotten it. but after seeing the kind of editing done on the video I wouldnt believe it unless i heard it from the arrestees themselves.

by Miss k Sun Apr 23, 2006 23:25

Urinating in public: It is not an offence to urinate when covered on three sides.
I was a witness to the fact that he did not expose himself at any time. There is video footage approaching the protest where this incident occured.....I also have video footage where a guard threatened "I`ll shove that fecking camera down your throat" i believe this abusive and theatening behavior to be more worthy of arrest than a man attempting to piss in a field ,down a country lane.

by asbo candidate Mon Apr 24, 2006 00:37

Just because we don't look you in the eye does not mean that we don't see you

by R. Isible Mon Apr 24, 2006 19:35

And I want to thank the Revolt people for making it. It shows very clearly:
1) undercovers
2) assault and battery committed by the Gardai
3) the peacefulness of the protestors

It's no wonder the Gardai are attempting (illegally) to interfere with the camera teams. They must be deeply ashamed of their behaviour and afraid of criminal prosecution. I hope those arrested manage to secure some justice against their clownish and thuggish captors. Solidarity to the arrested and thanks for doing what you did. Also thanks to the video documentarians: you know you're doing something worthwhile when they try so hard to stop you.

Now, back to my special branch scrapbook.

by sd Tue May 09, 2006 15:46

The government will come under fire in the Dáil this weekover the use of the Dublin facility, with TDs demanding details of the flights. The revelations will fuel the ongoing controversy over US troop movements through Shannon airport.

Separately, security sources disclosed that Assistant Garda Comm issioner Kevin Carty has instructed his superintendents to log "all incidents - protests - in the Dublin Metropolitan Region involving anti-war protesters . . . in particular, incidents attracting media attention should be immediately notified to this office".

Eyewitnesses in south west Dublin, including gardai, have told this newspaper of flights on an almost daily basis in the weeks prior to the start of the war in Iraq.This has continued since the US-led offences began.

"They have been in and out of Baldonnel virtually every day," one eyewitness said.

Another witness spoke of flights arriving at unusual hours, such as prior to day-break.

Security sources say German, French, Swedish and British military aircraft regularly use the aerodrome. However, the sources allege that the passengers are usually diplomats and politicians.

The Minister for Defence, Michael Smith,told the Dáil earlier this month that only 22 US military aircraft had used Casement since September 2001.

"The aircraft in question were on routine training flights," Smith said.

He said there were just four types of US plane that had used the facility; Learjets, DC9s, Hercules, and Boeing 727s.