Anarchist Tension in Greece

by Aristotle. Fri Aug 06, 2010 23:38

"I need some answers!"

We Great Greeks lost our wisdom somewhere Anestos.
(Probably between the the Achropolis and the Delphi.)

by Anestos Caneledis - none Wed Aug 04, 2010 00:33 Arizona USA

I need some answers!

I wonder what is the goal of the anarchist in Greece.
What type of utopia do they hope to replace capitalism with?
Why are they are angry?
Are they really communist?
Why do they think nationalism is so evil, especially in Greece?
Why do they hate their native Greece so much?
Why do you oppose Greece protecting its BORDERS, LANGUAGE and CULTURE from illegal (taken from Michael Savage) immigration?
Why do you call people who want to stop Islamofascism fascists?
Why is any criticism of radical Islam considered fascist or any free speech that goes contrary to their beliefs?
Why turn to violence to force your way?
Give me some time and I am sure I will think of other questions but I prefer someone who is really qualified in your anarchist movement.
Who am I?
I am an American of Greek origin who is a nationalist but hates the party system, both parties are corrupt. I agree with the great Michael Savage on many issues so you now know where I stand. I just want simply answers so I can understand.
I will keep this site and check in a few days but also if you could link me to some serious anarchist so I might research this more.
back in a few days

by MEINHOFF Tue Jan 22, 2008 07:28

theyve never robbed a single bank . ever . we have the only anarchists in the world whove never made an ideological mistake ever in their lives ..

by and Tue Jan 22, 2008 01:06

I dare you to present ONE action of this federation. Careful: just ONE action, that proves it is an actual group, not comments, not news, not denounciacions and theoretical texts, just one actual event it has carried out!!!

i 'd be grateful!!!!

by an anarchist from Athens - nop Tue Jan 22, 2008 01:04

"So, tell us about the 2 - 3 members of the OAE." What do you want to know? their names and adresses? are you serious?

"They must be superhumans, given that they manage to produce a regular paper & pamphlets, and are seemingly involved in a range of working class struggles. Indeed, did they not start as a a Western Greek federation and then become national because of people from other areas of Greece wanting to join them?"

There is no such thing as a federation of anarchists in Greece!. The "federation" is the name of a tiny group. It is not difficult to produce a few dozens of newspapers (mavra grammata). I cant tell for sure how much that costs, but it's no big deal, most groups and persons produce their own papers, fanzines, bulletins etc. I am talking about persons and groups that exist in real struggles and are known among anarchists in struggles where there is no participation of any such federation. The only thing anybody here knows about this federation, is a communique they wrote denouncing the anarchist Giannis Dimitrakis.

Not all anarchists in Greece are "insurrectionalists". There is also a strong autonomous movement, an antifa movement, a squatters movement, antiauthoritarian communist groups and networks etc etc. Well, no one of them participates in any federation, because such a thing does not exist, so please don't mess all the greek anarchists (some 2-3-4.000 people or so with dozens of groups) with a small group with no action known here in Greece, except from communiques on the internet. I dare you to publish one text that mentions this so called federation, one text from Greece, (not its own texts of course). It is a hoax, an internet provocation, so please be careful. Each group or person can have it's own theory and action, but it cannot imply it represent anarchists, especially since it's a mostly unknown group, with no participation in struggles, everyday action etc.

"Or, if they have significant support anywhere else they have certainly kept it a well guarded secret."

I guess that's a joke.

by Alan MacSimoin - Workers Solidarity Movement - personal capacity Sat Jul 07, 2007 01:47

So, tell us about the 2 - 3 members of the OAE.

They must be superhumans, given that they manage to produce a regular paper & pamphlets, and are seemingly involved in a range of working class struggles. Indeed, did they not start as a a Western Greek federation and then become national because of people from other areas of Greece wanting to join them?

Being "economical with the truth" when it comes to people who disagree with your views is a lot easier than making a case for your own ideas, but not particularly useful.

Not agreeing with "insurrectionism" dos not mean one is not an anarchist. In fact, the vast majority of anarchists worldwide reject "insurrectionism" as a strategy. It is a microscopic tendency outside of Greece and, perhaps, Italy.

Or, if they have significant support anywhere else they have certainly kept it a well guarded secret.

by anarchist from Athens Sat Jul 07, 2007 00:50

you can ask any anarchist in Greece, or even search the net. The so-called "federation" is a group of 2-3 persons having nothing to do with the anarchist scene, and all they do is send such letters to websites condemning the actions of daring anarchists. Giannis Dimitrakis is a known comrade that has taken part to real social struggles in Greece, and even after his emprisonment! The fake "federation" has no part in anything having to do with struggles, or even social reality and exists only over the internet as a set-up against anarchists in greece...

by hmmmmmmmmmm Fri Feb 03, 2006 23:29

Greece and anarchists, Greece and lefties, Greece and ruckists, Greece and its noble history of horrible oppression. The government of Greece and the highest academics of Greece have in the last 5 years included people who in their time - rucked. Its how they got their democracy. Indeed their upper echelons of academia included "hush hush secret" terrorists who when finally locked up was supposed to mean the end of one of the longest traditional national cultures of "anti-systemism".
lets look back at archive territory on Greece:-
I'll bring you through it with the usual display of magical bag of tricks which only now may oscailt 3 bring you close to appreciating.
http://indymedia.ie/newswire?search_text=damacles
see? no article number just that "sword of damacles". Now the only time that particular sword hung over any "anarchist" grouping, as myself and pals understood the threat, was during the trial process of Yannis Serifis you can read all about that here
http://indymedia.ie/article/18147 and if you bother to go to the end of the comments you see "tie up the threads". That will bounce you back to damacles. You'd be very clever if you thought to bypass "Mr Saunders" and MI6 and cough cough the cyprus question. Quite.
You're all clever. Now we come to July 12th 2005 and the "bombs of fortress Europe" in which you will read the tippy toppy alibi of the local crew of anarchists of all platforms including "anti-system" when accused of doing the "anti-system" bit on the Italians.
They all said : "It wasn't us we were in Greece." lobbying for the Greek anti-system scapegoats. I didn't say where I was, but it was an even squeekier clean alibi I assure ye, it was a very stressful week, and I became more important than I usually am and they fly me about in helicopters to talk sense to VIPs. http://indymedia.ie/article/70832

Where am I going with this?

Well, its a cue (hopefully) for others to use the wonderful Oscailt 3 system and search these terms - Greece - Athens - Thessalonika - and realise that lots of people in Greece have just marched to maintain their noble tradition of anarchism, anarcho-communism and generally the right to say -

Fuck the State and Police and Church.

You can either accept that, and think "fair play to them" or
go write a book on youth culture and criminalisation.

whichever is easier.

by Insurrection Fri Feb 03, 2006 19:03

I don't know about that, the statement is condemning the bank robbery - which, it seems wasn't actually done by anarchists.

Irish anarchists should support the actions of all our greek comrades, so long as they are acting in a way which will advance us as a movement to destroy capitalism and the state. Insurrectionism after all is not just about robbing banks.

by BB Fri Feb 03, 2006 18:33

The so called official Anarchist Movement in Greece are a bunch of sellouts. The inspired Direct Action against the State is supported by all real Greek and Irish Anarchists.

by Insurrection Fri Feb 03, 2006 18:06

If you're lazy or illiterate you can download "The anarchist tension" from this site -

http://www.audioanarchy.org/tension.php

It's in 5 parts.

by E Fri Feb 03, 2006 18:00

The Anarchist Tension by Alfredo M. Bonanno is great reading!!!