Urban Intifada In France

by Disgusted Mon Nov 07, 2005 17:43

Typical of the SWP to hijack these events so thet they can carry on recruiting.

by reader Mon Nov 07, 2005 18:24

If you are terming this as an Intifada (rolls eyes), can you please explain why the 'insurrectionists' or 'jihadis' (or whatever term you want to label on them) have killed an old man in the midst of their heroic political struggle?

Death of Jean-Jacques Le Chenadec:
http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/french-riots-claim-first-life/2005/11/08/1131212012103.html?oneclick=true

by John Ross Tue Nov 08, 2005 19:34 Dublin

I'm fed up with the inability of people here to have any kind of debate with anyone who is in the SWP. The guy announced the first chance I've seen for a live discussion about what's going on in Paris and immediately it's attacked as the SWP jumping on a bandwagon. What bandwagon? I only see the rioters in France being attacked, none of the media are in any way sympathetic. I tend to agree with Lenin, or Marx, or Emma Goldman, or whoever it was who said "when I see people in uniforms fighting in the streets with people without uniforms, I know which side I'm on". Fair play to the SWP for knowing which side they are instinctively on.

For that, of course, I will be denounced as an SWP spin doctor. Actually, I've little or no interest in them, but might just go along to the discussion to see what level of debate there is.

by iosaf Tue Nov 08, 2005 20:58

There is enough information in the public domain, and in comparison to the other "stories" which have taken up the debate and talk crew this year, there has been very little "immediate revisionism" of the record. I have to admit a slight feeling of distance, I've just word counted my published thoughts and coverage of this matter since its specified beginning, (oct 28) and I've put out over 6000 words and 2 photos, and 5 graphics in three languages.
I'm glad to say none of it was commercial, but through it all, I thought about a short movie a collective I belong to made in Paris, I referred to it in the feature article on imc ireland "la haine est dans la rue". & I admit thinking, I should send copies to english speakers everywhere... "its relevant".

Then I caught myself, "mid-hop", and realised, that despite my many years familiarity with Paris the only time I went into the banlieu which stretch from Clichy to Stains to St Denis was to make movies about burning cars or scoring drugs. My Paris, was indeed is somewhere else. Last time I went, I stayed in a bookshop on the left bank run by a slightly mad and notorious american with ghosts and as backdrop the twin monumental implications of quasimodo's notre dame, the holocaust garden and quai d'orsay. I self-satisfactorily assured myself, approaching smugness, that I belonged as a guest in France on the little islands around which Paris the city is built.

I hope those who attend this SWP chit chat free coffee, tea and biscuit night, enjoy themselves, and remember that even if they've read the literature, and gone to Paris, they still don't really know what a "sensitive urban area" french style is. :-)

But together we can stop wee willy winkie with the water canon.

by joe Tue Nov 08, 2005 21:15

The use of the phrase Urban Intifada is huge mistake even if said in jest.

by Al Quds = Paris Wed Nov 09, 2005 00:58

True, it should be called the "Paristinian Intifada" at least until it spreads to other countries.

by coining phrases? Wed Nov 09, 2005 14:07

it doesn't mean Paris, not in a million years. The city of Al Quds has been subject to war, exclusion orders, curfews and ethnic control since marcus aurelius and it doesn't have high rise flats on its periphery where migrants live. Coz it doesn't really have migrants.

Strange that. I wonder why Al Quds doesn't have migrants.

by extra info Wed Nov 09, 2005 18:16

8pm in the Portobello Hotel

by Arthur Kennedy Thu Nov 10, 2005 03:31

" Al quds (arabic) = jerusalem (english)."

Al quds = Paris...sacred moslem land. The islamic claim to Europe is just as shakey as it's claim to Jerusalem.

by iosaf Fri Nov 11, 2005 18:30

Yasser Arafat
one year dead.

Yasser Arafat's flag draped coffin is brought from Paris to Egypt for his funeral 11-11-2004