Gunman shoots then is lynched : israel 11 days to pullout

by R. Isible Thu Aug 04, 2005 21:51

said his attack on the bus killed 3 people. Supposedly he was arrested by the police and an angry mob seized him back from the police and killed him. He is reported to have been wearing an IDF uniform at the time of the shooting.

by Ali H. Thu Aug 04, 2005 21:57

Interestingly the attacker chose Israeli Muslims as his victims in a Muslim town and it seems to have been a deliberate act of provocation. Hardly surprisingly the guy was promptly lynched so I guess it could be regarded as a form of Israeli suicide attack.

by TheTroll Thu Aug 04, 2005 23:15

Zionists pull out of one part of Zionist occupied Gaza, and move into another part of Zionist occupied Palestinian lands. Kind of like when a rapist "pulls out" of his victim's pussy to rape her butt hole. It is a continuation of the rape of palestine. And there are some people who are so prejudiced as to think that is a peace gesture of the Zionists.

by Wow Fri Aug 05, 2005 00:07

Not a nice analogy.. Any chance of picking something less offensive

by TheTroll Fri Aug 05, 2005 04:36

Less offensive? Sure, I could. But why ? That one makes the point quite well. And I don't know of any nice ways to call Zionists murderous thieves. I guess I must have been skipping charm school on the day they taught the kids of a nice way to say Zionists are 4 generations of murderous thieves who have never stopped stealing Palestinian lands and have never hesitated to murder Palestinians who resist the Zionist's offensive war of conquest, or the Palestinians who were just in the wrong place, as defined by the Zionist crusaders.

by Ali ibn Sharmootah Fri Aug 05, 2005 06:09

The gunman was a Freedom Fighter...
No, wait, it's a false flag operation by the Mossad, or maybe Tony Blair and George Bush did it.

by Ali H. Fri Aug 05, 2005 09:09

Let's see who in the Israeli right owns up to brainwashing this guy into attacking and killing a bunch of Israeli (second-class) citizens who happended to be Muslims.

No doubt he had been programmed by a lifetime of "religious" indoctrination into hating Muslim untermenschen by Zionist terrorist godfathers.

It will be interesting to see if these Zionist godfathers of hate are brought to justice or killed in a cobra missile attack on their car, or maybe Sharon will decide to bulldoze theie homes in reprisal for this attack?

Don't hold your breath.

It is perhaps no accident that the Israeli police allowed the guy to be lynched.

Maybe he knew too much, and there would be no embarassing questions to answer about who brainwashed him and ordered the attack, with him dead.

by TuYaSabes Fri Aug 05, 2005 14:00

I warmly commend TheTroll for her / his honest application of the skills of Pejorative Journalism, as seen above.

As for complaints about the language used, well, this is a completely accurate anatomical / political analogy. Reality, in fact.

Also, the style correctly reflects the mentality of the aggressor - fast, harsh, brutal and shocking, as it very much is in the real live flesh.

This is what you should be reading in the Irish Times, but obviously never will, because people must be tranquilised and remain obedient to 'authority' - that's just the way things are, oh well, nothing you can do anyhow - go back to a cosy doze.

Yes, maybe The Troll could have said - "The turgid members of the Sweet happy Israeli Defence Forces and Settlers are removing themselves from the Palestinian's Land they have been using for the last 40 years, and inserting themselves immediately into Another Part which they aim to control and use in the same fahion, smashing the victim's face into pulp at the least sign of resistance. Palestinian's are positively gurgling with delight at this shift in positions." - but then you would think (s)he is a Doctor, not an honest hardworking Troll.

I believe the difference in approach here arises because TheTroll has empathy with the victim, while those complaining about the realistic language do not, as they prefer to identify with the perspective of the aggressor.

This reminds me of a little debate I heard once, where a precious anti-war 'intellectual' [an Irish Catholic Priest, BTW] posed the anxious rhetorical question - "But, would now [summer '03] REALLY be a good time for the US to pull out of Iraq?" - the obvious answer being prompted, 'No, realpolitick dictates security of oil-supplies to the West, stability in the Middle East, install Democracy, blah, blah, blah', all the standard pragmatic justifying propaganda of the aggressor.

Before anyone could plod into that well-laid trap, a counter-question was posed, "Would you also ask a rape-victim when is the 'right time' for the rapist to pull out of her? From his point of view, it's never before having gotten exactly whatever he wanted, isn't that right?" I am happy to report that the luvvie's jaw snapped shut and there the matter rested.

This process is called 'psychological vaccination', and it is very healthy to protect yourself from pernicious flood-waves of propaganda.

I for one will be taking that course in springcleaning my brain, thanks Troll!

A final observation, rapists usually proceed on the assumption that they will easily overpower their victim and suffer no unwanted consequences for their actions - it is only when they get they eyes clawed out, nose bitten off or a good sharp knee in the stones that they learn their mistake - VICTORY TO THE RESISTANCE!

by Carlos Latuff - http://www.sinkers.org/latuff/

by iosaf Fri Aug 05, 2005 14:55

& with such user names. Very odd. You'll never learn about terror that way.
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Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz on Friday decided that Eden Natan-Zada, a Jewish Israel Defense Forces deserting soldier who killed four people and wounded 12 in the Israeli Arab town of Shfaram on Thursday, will not be buried according to the practices of military funerals over-ruling an earlier decision which caused outrage.

the funerals are today.

* The victims of the attack are identified as bus driver Michel Bahus, 56; passenger Nader Hayak, 55; Hazar Turki, 23, and her 21-year-old sister Dina they were travelling on the road in Galilee which leads to the palestinian town of Haifa whose council is 100% hamsa.

* They were all arabs and israeli citizens, living in the apartheid state.

* Their murdered too had his palce in the apartheid state, he lived in Rishon Letzion a settlement, and will be buried in the West Bank settlement of Tapuah.

* In less than a month his remains will be exhumed from that graveyard along with all settler dead and moved as part of the last and most probably most emotive detail of the "withdrawl".

* "Every day he sees terror attacks. Every day he hears they're evacuating us, evicting us from our home. What is he supposed to do," asked Eden's 21-year old brother Itai last night.

* "Our fear was only from his being in a place like Tapuah with a weapon. We feared the gun would end up in enemy hands, that somebody would harm him, kill him just to take his weapon," said his father, Yitzhak Natan-Zada, last night.

* "he turned very religious at 18 years of age"

* "he befriended others from Tapau at that point meeting them on the internet"

* He refused to go into the IDF as his call-up date approached, but eventually went in two months ago. His commander in basic training told him to go with comrades to the south to set up a tent city next to Kibbutz Re'im for implementing the disengagement plan.

*He refused.

* "He had already spent time in military prison for refusing an order. He didn't want to be drafted at all. When they told him to set up a tent city in opposition to his views, he deserted and went to Tapuah," his father told the media last night.

* he said he wasn't "crazy" refused to discharge himself under section 21.

*We told everyone he's AWOL, that he could do something with his gun. We begged them to take away his gun. He also asked them to take his gun. The army destroyed my child. The army destroyed my life," his mother screamed last night at home, slamming the gas burners on the ground in her kitchen...

*"Several components in the story of Eden Natan-Zada, the Shfaram murderer, are congruent with the Shin Bet's profile of a potential Jewish terrorist who would try to smash the disengagement plan by attacking Arabs.

Newly religious, Natan-Zada was close to Kach activists and as a soldier, he had his own rifle. He even had ties with the Revava movement, which wanted to bring 10,000 Jews to Temple Mount for a protest rally a few months ago.

Natan-Zada discovered Kahane's heritage in the settlement of Tapuah. He first met his friends there through the Internet where he was reading essays about revenge and zealotry in Judaism published by the The Way of the Torah."

read more :-
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/609128.html

by Michael Fri Aug 05, 2005 23:34

This was horrible attack on defenceless israeli citizens. Unusual though it came from the israeli side

by TheTroll Sat Aug 06, 2005 00:51

I consider being a troll to be performance art. Like a crusafix in a jar of urine, the artist doesn't care if you like it or hate it, only that it makes you think. That it reaches you some place deep down.

All the "pull out" really shows me is that even Zionists are accepting the fact that they don't really have a birthright of murderous theft of Palestinian lands. Sure thier Hebrew anscestors were 1 of the many foriegn invadors of the land. But hebrews being murderous thieves of the Land doesn't give Zionists a birthright of murderous theft of the palestinian's homeland any more than Italians would have such a right because thier anscestors were ALSO murderous thieves of the land.

And appeasment of Zionist offenses by interloapers, wether in 1947 by the Judeo-Christian dominated UN-(Cuba, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Canadians, Britts, etc, --who are they to give Palestinian land to Zionists or anybody else, for that matter? ) or today, doesn't change a damned thing. Appeasment of the Nazi offenses against Czecholsovakia didn't mean that Nazis were not murderous thieves of Czech lands or that they had a right to occupy those lands. How could the 1947 UN appeasers change Zionists from murderous thieves to innocent victims of Palestinian resistance?

by redjade Sat Aug 06, 2005 12:34

''Graf artist Bansky just 'bombed' the wall Israel is constructing through the heart of the West Bank with a series of smart, beautiful paintings. This guy has been in rare form since he snuck into the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York and hung his own paintings.''

more links and info about this artist at
http://burning.typepad.com/burningman/2005/08/bansky_bombs_is.html

by redjade Sat Aug 06, 2005 12:58

Spray Can Prankster Tackles Israel's Security Barrier
by the Guardian/UK
by Sam Jones
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0805-06.htm

Israel describes it as a vital security barrier, while the UN says it's illegal. But as far as the guerrilla graffiti artist Banksy is concerned, the 425-mile long barrier that separates Israel from the Palestinian territories is a vast concrete canvas too tempting to resist.

The subversive dauber, who has terrorized galleries on both sides of the Atlantic and who last year installed a very sexed-up bronze spoof of the Old Bailey's statue of Justice in central London, has ventured further afield for his latest project.

Packing his stencils and spray cans, he went to the Middle East to share his vision with those living on the Palestinian side. His visit is recorded in the nine stenciled pictures, some surreal, some poignant, he left on the gigantic barrier. His latest work was on his website yesterday, labeled "holiday snaps".

by Geoff Sun Aug 07, 2005 17:51

Bansky done that walll some justice

And justice was done by ordinary Israeli Arabs to that little prick who I hope suffered and is in hell for his actions.Had he lived he'd have probably been given a suspended sentence and a grant to relocate in some west bank settlement, and recived the endorsement of 'straight thinking people' like certain trolls on this board.(hopefully this will happen to them)

So this is good news al togeter.Bansky's art has especially cheerd me up, usualyy this site makes me angry and it takes me a good half hour to chill out.

by iosaf Sat Aug 13, 2005 22:19

so began an article published in the state controlled Egyptian Al Ahram weekly, by Azmi Bishara a journalist and commentator and israeli arab who represented his community in the apartheid state of Israel at knesset level.

He went on to answer his own thetorical question, a terrorist is a solider when he's an israeli, but then brought his readers (arabic english speakers in the main) through an intelligent look at the plight of israeli arabs or arab israelis and naturally a look at what's coming next...

here's an extract:-
"Ariel Sharon condemned the Jewish terrorist attack against a bus in Shfaram last Thursday in the harshest terms. His vehemence, however, was not inspired by any compassion for the Arab victims but by the opportunity to turn this event to his advantage. Not only could he use the incident against extremist Jewish settlers but also to rally Israeli Arabs to his side in what has become the only game in town: either you're with Sharon or with the extremist settlers who are fuming at him for having abandoned them. In the Sharon scheme of things there is no room for a third option, based on an Arab or Palestinian position or the principles contained in international resolutions. There is Sharon and there are the settlers, and Arabs in Israel have to choose between them, just as the Labour Party did when it opted to become the Likud leader's reservist army."

if you liked that read it all here :-
http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2005/755/op14.htm

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The map comes courtesy of Security watchtower a US based group, who keep their copyright but maps of the Gaza strip are mostly the same.
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the following data comes from Mid east web one of a plethora of multiethnic groups dedicated to prompoting peace in the region.
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list of settlements.

Atzmona (Bnei Atzmona)
Founded 1982**
population 650

Bedola'h
Founded 1986
population 220

Dugit
Founded 1982
population 80

Elei Sinai
Founded 1983
population 350

Gdid
Founded 1982
population 310

Ganei Tal
Founded 1979
population 400

Gan Or
Founded 1983
population 350

Katif
Founded 1985
population 405

Kerem Atzmona founded 2001
population 70

Kfar Darom***
Founded 1989
population 365

Kfar Yam
Founded 1983
population 20

Morag
Founded 1972
population 220

Netzarim
Founded 1972
population 390

Netzer Hazani
Founded 1973
population 410

Neveh Dekalim
Founded 1983
population 2,500

Nissanit
Founded 1980
population 1050

Pe'at Sadeh
Founded 1989
population 105

Rafiah Yam
Founded 1984
population 150

Shirat Hayam
Founded 2000
population 50

Slav
Founded 1980
population 50

Tel Katifa
Founded 1992
population 75

* Founded 1979 in Sinai. Moved to Gaza, 1982.

**Kfar Darom was founded about 1935; destroyed 1939; re-founded 1946; destroyed 1948

Estimates of population are about 15% below published total of 8,500 which is the general figure given for total of Israeli settlers in the Gaza strip.
OF whom roughly half have so far accepted the government deal of a new house somewhere else. This might thus seem like "overestimation" on behalf of Sharon until you realise that the dead are being evacuated as well, and many of the settlers being "resettled" were / are buried in the Gaza strip.
The first of them have been exhumed.

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There is no average data for house size, many were built according to the budgetary limitations of their founding period. And many settlers extended their homes, though for the most part they are little housing estates where each family dwelling counts around 100 metres squared (according to an average of french, spanish and US telly guestimates), the settlers are moving to new homes, new housing estates where the area of the home is guestimated at 50-60 metres squared.

blue bits are israeli settlers, green IDF, orange urban areas (mostly voting hamas) [chap in picture] red are Israeli refugee camps grey UNRWA refugee camps.

by iosaf Wed Aug 17, 2005 21:37

Today the west bank has seen 3 seperate incidents which despite the news management mean a subtle change is to be seen tomorrow to the withdrawl from the occupied territories of both Gaza and West bank.

the incidents are for the moment covered in the latest comments to this week's "Sunday Papers playing the exodus game" edition.

Suffice to say, all three sites today have deep historical and cultural resonance for _all sides_ to the current conflict, orange zionist, blue israeli and arab palestinians in the apartheid state.

& when I use "the Z word" it means something.


http://www.indymedia.ie/newswire.php?story_id=71523