Mystery Poetry Night Belfast

by Masters Voice Sun Jun 26, 2005 14:17

We will be watching this fundraiser with interest.
What percentage will the SWP be donatiing to MPH and why?
What percentage will the SWP be donating to the G8 and why?

Maybe some Belfast readers or MPH people could add their comments. Naturally there is no mention of this event on any MPH websites.

Do the SWP never learn.

This is blatant false advertising.

Maybe Mark could justify could come back and justify this travesty?

by Masters Voice Sun Jun 26, 2005 15:34

7: How can I fundraise/send a donation to Make Poverty History?
Many members of the Make Poverty History coalition run much-needed work on the ground in poor countries but, by donating to Make Poverty History, your money will be used to help us deliver this truly ground-breaking campaign in the UK.

In terms of donations, please send cheques, made payable to “Make Poverty History”, to BOND, the organisation coordinating the campaign’s finances, at:

Make Poverty History
C/O BOND
Regent's Wharf
8 All Saint's Street
London
N1 9RL

http://www.makepovertyhistory.org/footpages/faqs.shtml

There is no address on the Northern website.
Thousands attend MPH Rally in Belfast
by Jon Glackin - MPHNI/Street Seen Monday, Jun 6 2005, 2:45pm
[email protected] phone: 07743275533
antrim / miscellaneous / news report

http://www.indymedia.ie/newswire.php?story_id=70142&search_text=MPHNI

Irish Campaign:

CONTACT
Dóchas
12, Harcourt Street
Dublin 2
Ireland
Tel: +353-1-405 3801
Fax: +353-1-405 3802
www.dochas.ie

I am sure they will give you a reciept for your kind donation.

I hope this helps but I am sure you know this all already Mark

by Ms. Voice Sun Jun 26, 2005 17:26

Are the Anti-Racist Network affiliated to Make Poverty History? Masters Voices posts made me think and checked the MPH website. All the other NI members are listed there except for ARN or SWP
http://www.makepovertyhistory.org/whoweare/members-a.shtml
This raises a very serious issue of misrepresentation and impersonation and demands immediate answers. Shurely the SWP would not be guilty of such a crime.

by Masters Voice Sun Jun 26, 2005 17:45

Interesting point Ms. Voice I am sure Mark or someone from MPH will clarify.
Meanwhile:

ARTIST WILL DONATE PROCEEDS OF HIS LATEST ARTWORK TO: MAKE POVERTY HISTORY
Added: (Tue Jun 21 2005)
ARTIST WILL DONATE PROCEEDS OF HIS LATEST ARTWORK TO:

MAKE POVERTY HISTORY

The Title: The Rock Stars 8 their Supper
based on Da Vinci’s Last Supper

S. J. Derry, Surreal and Visionary artist, co-founder of Art for Art’s Sake Group has recently created an ink drawing called The Rock Stars 8 their Supper based on Leonardo’s Da Vinci’s Last Supper.

The ink drawing hosts an array of players who will perform at Live 8 in Hyde Park. Names like: Bob Geldof, Bono, Midge Ure, Elton John, Chris Martin etc. The drawing has Bob Geldof sitting in the place of Christ surrounded by his modern day disciples.

The size of the drawing is 395mm by 204mm, ink on 135gram paper. The drawing is not framed.

Derry will auction the drawing on ebay and donate the proceeds to Make Poverty History. The bidding will start on Sunday 3rd July and will end Wednesday 13th July. To find the drawing on ebay, type The Rock Stars 8 their Supper.

by mc Mon Jun 27, 2005 01:16

why should ordinary people be fooled into subsidising SWP buses. Its a disgrace I hope MPH get on to solicitors. Dragging a worthy campaign through the gutter. Every year its the same. Your organisation sullies the name of socialism.

by info Mon Jun 27, 2005 10:14

ARN is affilated to MPH, as it is not a political party, however some (well its nearly them all in Belfast) individuals from SWP are also in ARN as the party motto is "infiltrate and control mass movements", surely you all should know this by now. the SWP in belfast are very clever in this sort of stuff, have fund raisers for arn/mph/G8 and then have the book stall, sell the papers, have a very closed audience, capture and recruit to the party. no other political party will be invited to set up a stall or sell their paper, because it is after all controled by the SWP.

SWP are alot like leeches, don't you think?

by MV Mon Jun 27, 2005 11:24

The SWP are trying to go through the ARN as the SWP. They are trying to get some kudos in relation to MPH. The SWP have played no role in MPH. You just have to look at the recent issue of their paper. They make no mention of a Poverty Rally which thousands attended in Belfast. The fact that they do shows their input, zero. They cannot fund their buses and nobody supports them anymore so they do what they are used to. Attempt to use the names of respected campaigns to trick people into giving money.MPH should make sure to chase up on this donation and to see what percentage they are getting.

by Indymedia fan - NGO Mon Jun 27, 2005 12:57

I have being researching the ARN situation with MPH. To affiliate to MAKEPOVERTYHISTORY groups apply to the MPH campaign in London (BOND) who authorise membership. All members, according to their website standing at impressive 496 members, are listed on the www.makepovertyhistory.org site. ARN does not appear on the list of authorised members. On www.makepovertyhistory-ni.org though comhlamh/arn are listed as members and details of a ARN bus are there.

can someone from MPH/ARN/SWP clear up this confusion due to seriousness of situation.

by NGO Mon Jun 27, 2005 13:28

The ARN is affiliated to Make Poverty History. Probably not up on the UK site yet. This was done by non SWP members in the ARN. Those same ARN [non SWP and NGO worker] members also sit on the Make Poverty History Northern Ireland committee representing the ARN. The SWP have played no role in the MPH, but may attempt to use the ARN's position on it for their own interest. All representives though are well aware of the SWP antics of late and this new situation is of little surprise or of immediate concern

by Indymedia fan Mon Jun 27, 2005 13:57

so one can be a member of northern ireland mph although not registered with mph in the uk. MPH membership requirements are clearly set out, no?arn have been members of mphni for a while now according to your statement. All the other northern ireland groups are registered with mph. i may be nitpicking but shurely shome mistake no. there is an immediate concern as the SWP are trading falsely under the MPH name. still no reply from mark which is worrying considering the seriousness of the allegations. something stinks

by NGO supporter Mon Jun 27, 2005 15:02

If it is a question of the SWP attempting to work under the MPH name then what is new. They shit in their nests recently when they did it now they are just flushing the chain. Everyone knows what they are up to. It is a sure sign of desperation.

by By Any Means Necessary Mon Jun 27, 2005 15:23

Will the real SWP please step forward. Are the self appointed leaders of the working class agents for revolution or leading the battle to turn activism into cynicism.

The ARN has become just another front, which does not represent the aspiration for equality which is the minimum demand of those of us suffering racism/sectarianism.

Reclaiming back the anti-racist movement must be a priority.

Make Poverty History and make the hijacking of the real concerns of the working class by cults like the SWP history as well.

by Indymedia fan Mon Jun 27, 2005 15:35

What i am getting at is that the SWP are acting illegally. If they are not formal members of the MPH. They are breaching copyright, illegally trading under a name. Basically stealing from the MPH. We should ignore them politically naturally, everyone else does. But this time they have left themselves open to serious allegations that should have serious repurcations.
Its a low act stealing from a charity, no? and still no reply from the original poster we all know by now they must be aware.Everyone in my office is talking about it.

by Davy Carlin - ARN and Street Seen Mon Jun 27, 2005 16:33

The ARN has two members of the SWP who are involved in a meaningful way, and do good work. The ARN though is not an SWP front and indeed if they {hypothetically}attempted to make it so {as people suggest} then they would quite simply be stood against, as I have already told them.

Although with the lack of support the SWP in general now have such a situation would not arise.

Unfortunately of late I have not been able to attend as many meetings as I had of liked but this is to change.


Of course the SWP have a right to rise whatever concerns they wish but any sniff of their previous actions as posted on Indy media, will again be referred around the movements and contacts.

I am aware that the SWP {as a separate organisation} have now very limited support and will find little personal hearing due to their recent moves to a certain mindset in 'working' with others.

{This of course outside of already established and highly respected campaigns such as the ARN and MPH where all activists and calls find collective support..


As for raising donations for make Poverty History well that is to be welcomed and I will reference it on to MPH finance.


For me I will work with the two SWPers on the ARN because I must, but will offer or advise no support what so ever to any future initiatives due to their recent actions {and have again informed them of this}.

As was said above the affiliation of the ARN to the MPH NI had nothing to do with the SWP. The issue of them though using the MPH name well we all know how they learn not

Such ways of workings though, for those interested will be covered in an extensive article I have did in the next issue of Street Seen which hits the streets this week.

It is written under the Ideas and Ideologies column under the title of - Trotskyist Parties - A personal take - on reading it one may no longer be surprised as to what to expect from such organisations - and it details both the SWP and SP in relative depth.

http://www.streetseennews.blogspot.com/

by By Any Means Necessary Mon Jun 27, 2005 16:48

Davy

Point taken. SWP front is too strong a word, however the well publicised actions of cults such as the SWP bring the anti-racist /sectarian struggle into disrepute.

by BRIAN BAILEY - PRIVATE Mon Jun 27, 2005 16:52 BRIANBAILEY54 at HOTMAIL dot COM

IT SEEMS THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE CONCERNED ABOUT THE INTEGRITY OF SOME OF THESE FUNDRAISING EVENTS AND AS SUCH I WONDER MYSELF. FOUR QUID IS A TAD STEEP FOR A POETRY GIG UNLESS IT HAS SOME QUALITY PERFOMERS AND IF THAT'S THE CASE WHY NOT ADVERTISE IT WITH GUSTO?
I RUN GIGS IN BELFAST AND WE GET LOTS OF FINE READERS YET ALL WE ASK FROM READERS AND PUBLIC IS A DONATION OF 50P - £1:00.
I HOPE IT GOES WELL BUT IT SEEMS THERE ARE TWO CONFLICTING GROUPS HERE.

by Watsons sidekick Mon Jun 27, 2005 17:09

It is not organised by the Belfast poet’s society, it is not MPH. Yet it is a poetry night to raise cash for MPH. which is linked to ARN through the related link bar although proceeds are not going to ARN. We see though it is posted from the SWP. The other benefactor of the donations is G8? That could not be possibly G8 Alternatives otherwise known as the, yes you guessed it. The SWP. Something is afoot Watson.

by Decency? Mon Jun 27, 2005 17:47

Have the SWP no respect for people who thought they were better than this. We know they use this site to promote their party. We now you know what has been asked of you. We deserve an answer. Davy Carlin had the decency to defend the ARN, I believe he no longer a big supporter of your party. I wonder why?

by agreed Mon Jun 27, 2005 19:07

if any other party had of done this the swp would have been shouting from the rooftops. socialist wobbing party

by Mark Hewitt - ARN & SWP Mon Jun 27, 2005 19:13 southbelfast.arn at gmail dot com

Clarification: Friends this is an event organised to help pay for the transport to Edinburgh, please show your support by attending it.

MYSTERY POETRY NIGHT

WHITE’S TAVERN

MONDAY 27TH JUNE 9 – LATE

PROCEEDS IN AID OF BUSES TO MPH/G8

COST: £4

Omission corrected

by NV Mon Jun 27, 2005 19:27

So proceeds no longer are in aid of MPH but are now for buses to the MPH demo. If you had not have had this backlash you would not have changed this, nearly a day later. You tried to get away with it and got caught out again. BTW you have no friends left because you do shit like this.

by a bit puzzled Mon Jun 27, 2005 20:24

The ARN seem to have organised quite a few rallies and pickets. There have been a number of reports of them here. They have organised a bus to Edinburgh. I know a few people who consider themselves part of the ARN but are most certainly not SWP. Therefore it seems reasonable to assume there are quite a few people who are in the ARN and that at least some of them read this site. I wouldn't expect the climate here would lead somone to defend the SWP. However I imagine if they were pissing people off in the ARN and acting badly that here would be a great place to stick the boot in. Yet outside of ex-SWP member Davy Carlin, I don't see anyone in the ARN actually complaining about them or their involvement in the ARN. Why would that be? The question may not suit the mentality here but it is one worth pondering.

by The proof is in the eating Mon Jun 27, 2005 20:48

Davy Carlin said ‘I am aware that the SWP {as a separate organisation} have now very limited support and will find little personal hearing due to their recent moves to a certain mindset in 'working' with others. {This of course outside of already established and highly respected campaigns such as the ARN and MPH where all activists and calls find collective support.'. I suppose this statement will only be judged when the SWP try and organise something under their own name. Not a front like G8 Alternatives who are in fact SWP and many did not realise that.I know personally of people in the ARN who dislike the SWP intensely but for the unity of the campaign they will work with them. Even davy has said of his problems with them but says he will work with them for that unity against racism. Do not take lack of criticism for support. of the SWP. Also my group has not met in months so I do not come across the SWP much only at the pickets and rally’s. So I rarely know what they are up to. That is why I read Indymedia.

by Masters Voice Mon Jun 27, 2005 21:08

welcome to the anon arswippie. At last we have the excuse: Its Davy Carlins fault.
He orchestrated a cunning plan to influence Mark to claim the fundraiser was for MPH. After an intense anti-brainwashing exercise by leading cadre of the SWP,His mind was released was from the domineering control of the evil Carlin. Mark seeing the error of his ways quickly denounced the evil manifesto dictated by the belfast splitter.
Makes as much sense to me as anything put forward as an attempt of an excuse so far.
hmmmmmm something to ponder

by non Tue Jun 28, 2005 01:06

This thread worries me

It is based on support for a liberal organisation, MPH, which has no intention or ability to change anything.

It is based on attacking someone for a minor slip up in not stating the reason for their event clearly.

It is based on Daveys deep resentment for his old party.

None of these are good reasons to attack Mark. The whole thing stinks of political sectarianism.

by Masters Voice Tue Jun 28, 2005 01:34

It is based on Daveys deep resentment for his old party

I cant wait to meet this guy, he certainly has the arswippies in a panic. Sometimes you guys make it to easy.
with wespect,
Masters Voice

by who cause the attack was the SWP themselves Tue Jun 28, 2005 09:37

do you not read indymedia, the slagging off of the SWP started well before Davy left the party, I have read many times davy defending the undefendable.

the orginal post would have never been corrected by Mark, had these comments not started. the SWP continually try to dupe people into following them and joining their party.

i bet there had been a swp stall last night.

if people want to attend such events, they can however there will always be us who will question the motives of the swp behing the events.

they must be trying to subsidize their own travel costs. great socialist they are, passing the cost to others.

by the way Mark, use your own crap website as that is were your misinformation belongs

peace out....

by AL Tue Jun 28, 2005 10:38

And the RRRRRRRRRRevolutionarrrrrrry SWP will change it all. It is nothing to do with a minor slip up. Have you not been reading Indymedia lately. The Political Sectarianism is coming from the SWP. They have been caught out time and again and this is another example. Mark why don't you advertise SWP fundraisers on your SWP site as well. Does nobody read it?

by Watson's dog Tue Jun 28, 2005 10:47

So every thing the sectarian SWP have been doing in Britain and Ireland over the years. All the shit and fronts were a mirage. We all realise now that it was just all down to the resentment of Davy Carlin. He tricked those thousands to leave and brain washed tens of thousands into thinking that the SWP are bad. Amazing

by pondering Tue Jun 28, 2005 11:30

Did anyone go last night?
was any money raised?
Who supervises the publics money?
who decides where it goes?SWP? ARN?
Under what name was the booking made in Whites? MPH?SWP?ARN?
Will the SWP actually attend the real G8 protests?

by Barbara Muldoon Tue Jun 28, 2005 12:36 bmuldoon2000 at yahoo dot co dot uk

The fundraiser was organised by me amongst others. I am in charge of organising the ARN bus to Edinburgh. We have just been told at the last minute that there are no indoor spaces for our group. The ARN are attempting to buy tents for the people who are travelling over to Edinburgh who do not have tents. It is not as good as the conspiracy theory stuff posted above but then the truth rarely is.

If anyone has any tents that they can loan the ARN for the Edinburgh trip they would be greatly appreciated. You can e:mail me at the above.

by Joe Tue Jun 28, 2005 12:39

Work it out for yourself. A clue though it will not be MPH or ARN

by NV Tue Jun 28, 2005 13:07

We were told the proceeds where to go to MPH.Then only when under pressure and a day later we are told that they are for buses to MPH. Now a day and a half later we are told that it was organised by the ARN. and the money is now for tents. To further clarity we are told that it was organised by Barbara an areswper. after being posted up by another arseswper. So we are all now put at ease. The conspiracy theory shite is what all activists have come to expect when people speak up against SWP sectarianism. I must have seen about twenty of those ‘Conspiracy Theories’that the SWP calls them in the last few weeks. You could not make it up if you tried.

by there you have it Tue Jun 28, 2005 13:11

the event was organised by a SWP member and promoted by another SWP member, now they state the money was for tents for those on the ARN bus. come off it tell the truth was it to pay your transport costs or was it for your tents.

SWP twist things again!

who is right Mark or Barbara? you decide!!

by Al Tue Jun 28, 2005 13:15

But this time they have told so many lies that they have even got themselves confused.

by Curious Tue Jun 28, 2005 13:17

Organise Al or Store Street Al?

by Al to AL Tue Jun 28, 2005 13:24

It is called Democratic Centralism I think

by MV Tue Jun 28, 2005 13:36

So Barbara, which party would you be aligned to? You neglected to mention. Its good to see someone is "in charge", People always need leaders. Glad to see someone has got the story straight at last, took a while. Did nobody tell Mark the party line?

FYI: LIDLs (I think they are called that in the wee 6) are selling tents cheaply, non-unionised, but needs must. Tally ho, pip pip
with wespect,
Masters Voice

by just me Tue Jun 28, 2005 13:41

Barbara, is a leading member of Belfast SWP, seen at the forefront of many campaigns setup by the swp...

i wonder how the SWP will get out of this one, i'm sorry i do know better they will just ignore this thread.

well done MV

by MV Tue Jun 28, 2005 13:56

Barbara, is a leading member of Belfast SWP, seen at the forefront of many campaigns setup by the swp...

shurely shome mistake, remind me which campaigns the swp have set up, as compared to those hijacked and ruined.
I will give you a clue readers, you could count them on the finger of of one hand.
they are entirely justified in claiming the setting up of the swp, although David Shayler (exM15)has some interesting things to say about that So maybe you could be right using the phrase 'set up'
hmmmmmmmm ponder on that,
with wespect
Masters Voice

by Al Tue Jun 28, 2005 14:13

It could not be. Could this be the same ARN member of the SWP that davy had said recently on Indy media that they had said to him. "You appointed the title to yourself" {which was a lie as they well knew} to stating that- ' I would ask you to not endorse events agreed or otherwise with the title "Chair of the ARN". Is this the same person now saying that they are in ' charge' of this and organising that. Like what started of as the SWP poetry night for MPH. Which eventually became a fundraiser organised by ARN on behalf of the ARN?. As for being at the forefront of campaigns, aside from being in the ARN what campaigns are you talking about. Give support though to the people going over do not let the SWP shite put you of. Not everyone is like that.

by Al Tue Jun 28, 2005 14:39

However is using my name please tell people that you are not the same as me. i am being blamed for posts that are not of my doing.

Signed,
Store street Al.

by AL Tue Jun 28, 2005 14:44

Masters Voice what is this about David Shayler (exM15)?

by MV Tue Jun 28, 2005 16:16 mastersvoice at dublin dot ie

scroll to bottom.
I will be adding the latest Party Notes this evening.
BTW: When are the arswippies going to release the next twist in this exciting public relations disaster? Has Davy Carlin pinched the pegs and groundsheets? Will the ARN bus magically transform into a SWP bus in the next suckalot porker?
with wespect,
Masters Voice

by Sam's the man Tue Jun 28, 2005 16:30

They have been caught out shitting on activists again. they have really F**k** up this time though. Bit of advice at least get your 'story' right first between you if you are going to try an spoof your way through.This is about a dozen same type of things they have been up to in a few weeks.

by Masters Voice Tue Jun 28, 2005 23:55 mastersvoice at dublin dot ie

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