U.S. threatens to pull out of U.N.

by this thing here Sun Jun 23, 2002 21:40

Oh, idealism is wonderful, until the oil runs out, and you can't get basic goods because trucks that once delivered them to your local town can no longer roll. Okay, until your supermarket shelves are empty. At that point, you'll be asking yourself "Why doesn't the CIA overthow whomever it needs to."

The problem with idealists is that they think as proletariats and not as rulers. For one moment, imagine yourself USA's head honcho. What steps would you take (what limits would you go to) to ensure USA primacy? Trade barriers? Spying to ensure that we snag contracts from foreign competitors? Murder?<

with all the resources this country has, and i'm talking about monetary and intellectual, to think that we still must use OIL to transport ourselves is ridiculous. is outdated. is a continual use of failed resource. is dumb. do you really believe that a V-8 engine, powered by the remains of dead plants and animals, based on technology 100 years old, is the most advanced way of getting around this country? is befitting of the most technologically advanced country on the face of the earth? all the money we have IS BEING SPENT TO ENSURE THE CONTINUED USE OF OIL, AND NOT ON THE DEVELOPEMENT OF OTHER WAYS TO MOVE OUR BODIES, SUCH AS RELIABLE, CHEAP FUEL CELLS OR RELIABLE CHEAP SOLAR POWER. IT CONFOUNDS ME THE BELIEF THAT "OIL IS STILL THE FUTURE, AND MUST REMAIN SO." WE ARE FUNDING AND ENTRENCHING A FAILURE. WE ARE FUNDING AND ENTRENCHING THE PAST, AND NOT THE FUTURE. OIL IS DYING. IS DEAD.

do you think that killing and lying to have our way is NOT COUNTERPRODUCTIVE? DOES NOT GIVE TERRORISTS REASONS TO BOMB US?

do you really believe that the u.s. is controlled by the u.n.? i think the u.s. controls the world, controls the power of the u.n., controls the w.t.o., controls the i.m.f., controls the the world bank, rules the world essentially. and with all that power comes a similar amount of responsibility, comes a keen look at our record, comes a lot of tough questions, comes a responsibility the u.s. is unable to handle. we are juvenile and child like in our power. blaming the u.n. is typical of this inability to grow the fuck up.

it's rightfully tough at the top. the more we duck and deny, the more we undermine ourselves.

by patriot act/loyalist Sun Jun 23, 2002 21:51

You clearly don't realize our purposes in supporting the UN. That is to say, you honestly believe that the UN is an altrustic device, and hence, you're confused. You probably also believe that WTO is designed to facilitate "free" and equitable trade (when, in fact, "WTO" stands for "We're Taking Over"). You likely also believe that the Population Fund is altrusitic (when, instead, it's a device by which to use eugenic policies to depopulate regions like Africa, which have little value in a "Global Economy" construct).

Some facts: USA/CA/AUS/EU have collaborated to corporately colonialize the remaining nations on Earth. UN is merely a device (like many others) to affect and enforce policies that USA, as a nation state, cannot. All the altrustic bullshit UN churns out is exactly that; we control it, and if it doesn't do precisely as we wish, we simply ignore it (generally) or, more frequently, drain any power its resolutions have.

Here's the world in ten years: a European coaltion of nations with a common defense, ringed by a comon missile defense, against which no nation will effectively have the capability to wage war. That coalition will dictate to the remaining nations EVERYTHING. Furthermore, that coalition will gradually close its borders. That's where we're going. Go to nato.int and europa.int and take a close look at those maps (and projected maps that anticipate the future structures of those orgs). What you'll see there is an empire populated (on the mean) by 97% Europeans [when taken as a whole].

Welcome to the Thousand-Year Reich. And whilst the underclasses throw rocks and bottles (or even use low-grade automatic weapons), the Reich's coaltion will be armed with space-based weapons (in, say, 25 years). Game over. By and by, that coalition will strangle the Third World, unchecked, and mercilessly. And this will come to pass, over this or that UN programme's objections.

As an American, I see nothing wrong with this, either. Idealistic, confused ideas about equality aside, Earth has only so many resources. Either our children drink the blood of others or, those others will drink ours. Welcome to reality; how many children have to die to fill an American gas tank? Or, maybe a better question is this: does it matter? For more than 50 years, CIA (and related agencies) have worked tirelessly to ensure that you have an edge. They've lied, stolen, cheated, and killed for it. And if you feel bad about that, you should move to one of those Third World nations and join the wretched who live therein. Your children won't thank you for it, though.

Oh, idealism is wonderful, until the oil runs out, and you can't get basic goods because trucks that once delivered them to your local town can no longer roll. Okay, until your supermarket shelves are empty. At that point, you'll be asking yourself "Why doesn't the CIA overthow whomever it needs to."

The problem with idealists is that they think as proletariats and not as rulers. For one moment, imagine yourself USA's head honcho. What steps would you take (what limits would you go to) to ensure USA primacy? Trade barriers? Spying to ensure that we snag contracts from foreign competitors? Murder? If your answer to any of the three aforementioned question is "no," you're not qualified for the job. And it's not a question of Republican or Democrat or Right or Left, for, when it comes to such questions (and economic realities), wings and philsophies are bullshit. Maciavelli and Hobbes were only restating tenets that have existed in statecraft and governance since city states first arose (and maybe a lot earlier than that).

Think as a ruler and not as a subject. The world looks different from that vantage point, I assure you.