Anti-Occupation Protests for Palestine

by paul sherlock Sat Jun 04, 2005 21:21 p_sherlock at yahoo dot com

more pictures from the demonstration

by paul sherlock Sat Jun 04, 2005 21:24 p_sherlock at yahoo dot com

even more pictures

by eeekkk Sat Jun 04, 2005 22:37

200 protest at Israeli embassy in Dublin
04 June 2005 19:46

An estimated 200 people gathered outside the Israeli Embassy in Dublin today to protest against what they describe as the 'occupation of Palestine'.

The rally, which was organised by the Ireland Palestine Solidarity Campaign, began at the Central Bank on Dame Street at 3pm this afternoon.

Protestors then marched to the Dáil and then on to the Israeli Embassy before the World Cup qualifier game between Israel and Ireland in Landsdowne Road.

by Noel Sat Jun 04, 2005 23:16

An Irish friend of mine was at the GPO today, he met up with some Israel fans. They were astonished at the levels of ignorance from the protestors they spoke to.

An Israeli film crew interviewed my mate, they were quite taken with his IDF t-shirt.

by Deirdre Clancy Sat Jun 04, 2005 23:56

Noel, would you really expect the Israeli fans to say they were impressed with the protest? I mean what exactly is the point being made here? Is it ignorant not to want people's homes destroyed and children murdered? Many people there today were either Palestinian or had been to Palestine, and had first-hand knowledge.

by avi15 Sun Jun 05, 2005 03:14

Your anti-semitism is rooted in your appalling ignorance of Jewish culture and the state of Israel

by Robbie Sun Jun 05, 2005 04:37

Avi, what makes you so objective?

Israeli media doesn't show the daily humiliation of Palestinians, but non-reporting doesn't make it untrue.

I interviewed Elizabeth Corie whose cousin was deliberately crushed to death by an Israeli Caterpillar buldozer. Her father was a bulldozer operative in the US and says that there is no way that she wasn't seen as claimed in the official report.

For Near FM's 'Majority World', I've interviewed Steve Bronner, who is Jewish-American, and he went over to see for himself whether stories about the wall/barrier were true. He was shocked at the treatment meted out to Palestinians.

I interviewed an Irish woman who was shot in the knee by the IDF and she was there in solidarity with peaceful resistence to oppression.

Peter Ustinov once said: Terrorism is a poor-man's war; war is a rich-man's terror. The water to the east is important to Israel. Keeping the Occupied Territories cements this its access to that vital resource.

Are the settlements justified by those like yourself who know what you know?

Should the EU enforce its Human Rights stipulations in its trade agreement with Israel. Perhaps, we should put sanctions on, if our politicians would listen to us - since 80% of Israeli exports go to the EU.

The US tax-payer couldn't pick up that tab.

If things are so equal, why not just unite Palestine and Israel, but with equal voting rights, as Edward Said suggested.

What do you know?

by Nordie Sun Jun 05, 2005 09:58

Stop it, Robbie. You're being an anti-Semite. Being opposed to racist murderers is racist you know.

by Nordie Sun Jun 05, 2005 10:10

'The news for the people back home
by Noel Saturday, Jun 4 2005, 10:16pm


An Israeli film crew interviewed my mate, they were quite taken with his IDF t-shirt'

Did that IDF stand for 'I defend fascism' or 'idiotic death fan'?

Are there no laws down south which prohibit people from publicly showing blatant support for terrorist organisations? Could your friend not have been arrested for that shirt?

by Rob Sun Jun 05, 2005 12:25

"Are there no laws down south which prohibit people from publicly showing blatant support for terrorist organisations?"

Sorry to have to be to one to tell you this, but 'down south' is a free society and as such people are free to wear what they like. Proof of this can be seen by the fact that yesterday's demonstrators were even free to march behind a Sinn Fein Banner.

I know freedom of speech should only apply to those you agree with, but hey, thats democracy for you.

by Nordie Sun Jun 05, 2005 15:38

Here is my point by point dissection of your point for the criminally witless:

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by Tustate Sun Jun 05, 2005 17:40

If any objective reader doubts the truth about the daily suffering of Palestinians under occupation just follow this link (from todays edition of the mainstream ISRAELI paper Haaretz!) and read about one example from the Hebron Hills area in the south of the West Bank:

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/584293.html

by Nordie Sun Jun 05, 2005 18:18

Look, that Haaretz paper and those Jews that speak out on behalf of the Palestinians are obviously rampantly anti-Semitic Jew hating Jews. They can take their Nazi propaganda to hell with them, coz that's where they're going. Avi and Noel told me.

by TheTroll Sun Jun 05, 2005 18:39

Saying that Nazis had no right of murderous theft of thier neighbor's homelands doesn't make one anti-German. How could saying ZIonists have no birthright of murderous theft of ANY portion of the Palestinian's homeland be considered anti-Semetic? Allegedly Christian crusaders had no right of crusade in palestinian lands either. Am I anti-Christian now??? hardly. And anyone who has read the Bible and has eyes that see knows that.

Outside of ZIonist occupied palestinian Syrian and Lebanese lands, there is NO "Israel." Even with the blessings of western interloaper power brokers, "Israel" is still ZIonist occupied lands. Zionists are 4 generations of murderous thieves who have never stopped stealing Palestinian (etc) lands, and have never hesitated to murder the Palestinians who fight agaisnt Zionism's bloodsoaked crusade.

Noone saw anything wrong with the allies giving the french freedom fighters (terrorists in the Nazi propaganda) weapons to liberate thier homeland. How is it wrong to aid in the Palestinian's strugle to liberate thier homeland from murderous thieving Zionists, JUST because in YOUR propaganda YOU call them terrorists???

Double standards sure do get old.

And that includes people pushing for a 2 states solution. Noone saw how the Vichy france 2 state solution forced on French folks as anything but an offenses. How prejudiced do you have to be to support such an offenses on our Palestinian neighbors??? It isn't like the Palestinian's homeland is YOUR's to give away to ANYBODY.

by Nordie Sun Jun 05, 2005 19:11

You're heart's in the right place anyway, Troll.

by Idiots for palestine Sun Jun 05, 2005 19:50

Last update - 01:41 05/06/2005
Israel works to prevent PA execution of 50 collaborators
By Yuval Yoaz

Israel has gone to great lengths to prevent the Palestinian Authority from executing approximately 50 Palestinians convicted of collaborating with Israel. Along with its appeal to senior PA officials, Israel approached U.S. Ambassador Dan Kurtzer on the matter, and went ahead with the release of Palestinian security prisoners last Thursday only after the PA said it did not intend to carry out the sentences.

Three months ago, PA Chairman Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen) authorized the execution of the 50, who had been convicted of aiding Israeli security forces. Shortly thereafter, the head of the PA military tribunals, Saib al-Kidwa, said that 15 of the convicted men would be executed in the following weeks, after their sentences had been vetted by the senior religious authority in the PA, Sheikh Akrima Sabri.

At that point, Justice Minister Tzipi Livni and Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's advisor Dov Weissglas approached various PA officials, including PA Prisoner Affairs Minister Sufyan Abu Zaydeh and the chief of PLO negotiations. Livni and Weissglas said Israel would not accept executions for collaboration, whether or not the condemned actually worked with Israel.

At a meeting of the joint commission on prisoners on May 8, Israel told PA officials it would not go ahead with the planned release of 400 security Palestinian prisoners if the PA carried out the executions.

In response to a High Court petition by former prisoner of Zion Ida Nudel that Israel do everything in its power to prevent the executions, the State Prosecutor's Office told the court that Kurtzer had told Sharon the PA said it didn't intend to carry out the sentences.

Nudel's attorney, Nitzana Darshan-Leitner, said an employer-employee relationship existed between the collaborators and Israel and if economic sanctions and a delay in releasing prisoners failed to dissuade the PA from implementing the executions, Israel "should send in its security forces to rescue the collaborators."

Following the prosecutor's statement to the court, Justices Edmond Levi, Elyakim Rubinstein and Esther Hayut rejected the petition. "Even if the concern exists, and it seems the experience of the past does not reassure in this case," Rubinstein wrote, "the proper way to deal with this situation seems to be continuous action of various kinds toward to PA, to ensure everything is being done to prevent the execution."

by Not a Jew hating retard Sun Jun 05, 2005 23:55

Hopefully, they can blow each other up next time! Save everyone some time and energy!

by Paddy G Mon Jun 06, 2005 01:25

Please forgive my ignorance, but I believed that Palestinians were semites, am I wrong? If not how can a valid argument be raised of anti-semitism when both sides are semites. May I also congratulate the Israeli team on their performance in Dublin..They showed that time wasting, play-acting and lying are not just limited to their politics.

by Workers Unite Mon Jun 06, 2005 04:13 Workersunite726 at hotmail dot com

The not a "jew hating retard" evidently shows the hate he has for the Palestinian people with his comment:

"Hopefully, they can blow each other up next time! Save everyone some time and energy!"

Unfortunately collaborators can easily be found anywhere there is oppression, because of the economic circumstances that are created by the oppressor.

For more info about why the Bush and Sharon road map is a dead end for the Palestinian people, go to the following website. There are audio recorded programs that deal with this subject. There are also audio programs about Zionism, and the printed version of The Hidden History of Zionism.

by Workers Unite Mon Jun 06, 2005 04:21

Here is another website.

by Noel Mon Jun 06, 2005 11:57

Paddy G,
I can understand why you've asked for such ignorance to be excused.

Once upon a time hatred of Jews was simply Jew hate, Judenhass.
However, that proved difficult to sell to the masses.
Wilhelm Marr coined the phrase anti-semitism which did the trick.
However, Hitler and his ilk made that concept a little unpopular.
Now we have anti-Zionism. A palatable term.

I can see how the Jew haters wish to jealously hold on to this label, finding a term to disguise their Jew hate is difficult.

Martin Luther King had their measure.
"When people criticize Zionists, they mean Jews. You're talking anti-Semitism".

by Ali H. Mon Jun 06, 2005 14:38

MLKs family do not endorse the comments on Zionism attributed to MLK. If there were any substance to them they would surely have been endorsed.

by Nordie Mon Jun 06, 2005 15:23

Coz when people criticise Nazis they're really just anti-white racists in a clever disguise using their anti-Nazi stance as a vehicle for their real nefarious bigotry. And the white people who hate Nazism are just self-hating inadequate who haven‘t quite seen the light yet. My brain has leaked out of my ears, can I join the right-wing now too?

by Noel Mon Jun 06, 2005 15:39

Nordie,

I'm about to do a search on all the threads on Indymedia relating to the abuses perpetrated by Syria, Iran, Burma, Sudan, North Korea, China et al. There's bound to be hundreds, certainly a lot more than those which target Israel. Or am I being naive?
Anyhoo, I suspect all these threads will have posts from yourself. Evidently you wouldn't just single out Israel. You'll agree that if you singled out Israel, ignoring all others, that would imply something approaching anti-Semitism?

btw, have you stopped calling Jews 'pig people' yet? Arab media tends to use the full term 'sons of pigs and apes'.

by Nordie Mon Jun 06, 2005 15:56

Sorry, Noel old chap but I can't remember any threads on here about Iran and all as I only come here rarely and as I know little about their abuses I probably wouldn't comment on them, although as I am anti-murder and anti-fascism I would of course be sickened by any human-rights abuses, which is why I despise racist murderers like Ariel Sharon and his repulsive little blood-thirsty followers from hell. Chinese & Iranian murder and such are not reported on much in our media and I don't hear much about their murderous activates and their occupation of other peoples lands along with any of the old rampant racial supremacy like I do everyday with Israel so my blood probably wouldn't be up too much about them. Which of course proves I'm worse than Hitler.

Well, I do like to refer to all disgusting right-wing cretins as pig-people because I see them as having the brains and desires of hogs. I refer to Zionist scum as pig-people, just like I refer to Bushites and Nazis as pig-people. So if by me calling Zionists pig-people then I'm referring to all Jews as pig-people then I must be calling all white people pig-people as well when I talk about Nazis in hoggish terms. Which proves that I'm a self-hater seeing as I'm a bit white myself. See, anti-Nazi is anti-self (for me) just as ant-Zionist is anti-Jew. What a strange world we inhabit.

by Bob Mon Jun 06, 2005 16:14

If i do a search on Indymedia, I'll assume that you will have written loads of posts defending regimes that murder and torture their people such as Burma, Uzbekistan, Nepal, China, Syria etc. Because if you only make excuses for regimes that torture and murder palestinians, while not defending the murder and torture of Asian people then I guess we'll have to assume you have "something approaching" an anti-Palestinian bias.

by Nordie Mon Jun 06, 2005 16:49

Bob, Noel's not anti-Palestinian. He just believes that their lives are worth nothing, supports their oppression and murder by a Nazi-like terrorist group and thinks that Palestinians are actually the ones occupying the land they were born on. Apart from that he loves them.

by paddy g Mon Jun 06, 2005 19:55

Hi Noel,
Thank you for excusing my ignorance on this matter, I was however hoping to be excused by someone with even a mild understanding of the real world, Please don't take this as an attack on you personally ( in school we learned not to belittle the dumb kids), You never answered my question... If I can protest and speak out about the murderous, underhanded and cowardly atrocities carried out at the behest of the Israeli government why should I be labelled? are the child killings and rapes carried out by the Israeli army not more worthy of condemnation? Please take a moment to ask yourself..Why is Israel frowned upon by the vast majority of the globe? Please don't take the usual easy route of "They hate us because we are" be real and take a good look at the policies employed by the divisionist men that govern Israel. By the way the inuendo that I am a Jew hater is both ridiculous and a little childish, I do not in any way dislike jews, muslims, christians or any other creed but when I see a murdering regime I have the right to say so without being labelled. So are Palestinians Semites?

by TheTroll Mon Jun 06, 2005 20:44

When it comes to brutalities in China, Iran, etc, noone is saying that it is a good thing and that the tyrants have such a right or that we sould support the offensive efforts. On the other hand, there are still people suggesting that Hebrews being murderous thieves of the land 3000 years ago gives Zionist a "birthright" of murderous theft of the lands, TOO.