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Cloning, Jesus, Caesar & the Blesséd Mammy's ovaries

category international | sci-tech | other press author Wednesday May 25, 2005 12:01author by .:. Report this post to the editors

rabbi, abba, is it ok to ignore your miraculous thaumaturgic powers and do it ourselves?

"If Jesus Christ was alive today he would defend investigation with maternal [stem] cells"
:- James Watson one of the discoverers of the double helix DNA molecule in a print interview published by the La Vanguardia in Spain yesterday.

Makes me laugh. When exactly did Jesus die?
Or rather didn't he die and go through the Resurrection? Isn't that why he's famous?
Isn't he alive, still? out there somewhere, waiting to return and tell us all about stem cells, life support machines, exactly what sexual acts between consenting adults are ok? at what price a house may be sold? whether it was the right thing to invade iraq?

& Today it is reported that the US congress have been debating changes to US law to allow stem cell research. Mr Bush believes Jesus lives, and he's not a scientist, he's a pharisee or saducee.

& he's just lost his vote.

"The US House of Representatives has voted in favour of federal funding for embryonic stem-cell research despite President George W Bush's threatening to use his presidential veto to stop it from becoming a law. The House approved it by a 238-194 vote on Tuesday, far short of the two-thirds majority that would be needed to override a veto. Supporters of the bill claimed it would accelerate cures for diseases but opponents viewed as akin to abortion. Opposing embryonic stem cell research Bush in a speech at White House said, "We should not use public money to support the further destruction of human life,"
"In the complex debate over embryonic stem-cell research, we must remember that real human lives are involved, both the lives of those with diseases that might find cures from this research and the lives of the embryos that will be destroyed in the process," he said.
"This bill would take us across a critical ethical line by creating new incentives for the ongoing destruction of emerging human life," the President said.

"Crossing this line would be a great mistake."

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the Republican congressman for Missouri has used a parliamentary tactic developed by the Irish Party at Westminster in the XIX century, reading a lengthy essay by his daughter into the official record on the dangers of cloning.
"From where they sit, cells are about life":-
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_2756046

This contrasts with the attitude in assembly line Detriot, where the stem cell debate promts worries-
"Brain drain feared without new stem-cell laws"
http://www.freep.com/news/health/stemcells25e_20050525.htm


"George Bush vows to block funding for stem cell research":-
http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2005/s1376788.htm

Seattle reports that 50 Republicans have joined with the Democrats to defy Bush-
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2002287876_stemcell25.html

As have Turkish media :-
http://www.zaman.com/?bl=hotnews&alt=&trh=20050525&hn=19939

and Boston (closer to Dublin than Berlin) :-
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2005/05/25/house_votes_to_lift_limits_on_stem_cells/
(stem cell research is banned in Berlin, but ok in Boston, approved in Engurland and approved in Spain)
And of course the Koreans have reported the news, coz as we all know they've gone the furthest in open research in all this, cloning full embryos:-
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200505/200505250006.html


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the interview with Watson, which prompted my thoughts on all this, coming so soon after Trinity Sunday, that yearly reflection on the occidental philosophical and ethical tradition, when people go hew a slogan or equation in the stonework and leave some clues for posterity on the really valuable things. It has almost prompted long letters from me to the Nobel Prize winner, because it defies accepted wisdom. Normally Politicians such as Bush invoke Jesus to stop scientists, not the other way round. I remember last year it was the date we okupied the Cathedral with the 1500 muslim "sin papales". Maybe when Jesus gets back we'll ask him, (if its not too cheeky) "Rabbi, Abba, when ought residence and integration be deemed practical for migrant workforces?" (Like work up slowly to the stem cell stuff) :-
http://www.lavanguardia.es/web/20050524/51185491006.html

author by eh memoring and ethickingpublication date Thu May 26, 2005 21:45author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Dear Dr. Dr. Prof. Watson, OBE,
If Jesus does live and you get to meet him, will you ask him nicely, (if he' s not to busy doing something else) and of course using the appropriate protocol, (I suggest Rabbi, Rabbi, Abba at the very least)-

"Is it ok to use the unfertilised eggs of a poor woman to treat the disease associated with ageing of, at first due to R&D reasons : and the difficulty of getting good laboratory pracise past the pharisees these days: [only lucky volunteers] and thereafter [if succesful] a narrow range of richer citizens [most probably for at least a few generations citizens of exclusively first world countries] (of which your traditional homeland is not on the list welcome back btw) or at the very very least, those patients whose interest in providence had encouraged them to make the proper investments in - nay - whose providence yet doubts to the nature of their dotage and senility brought them to choose ;:- a decent health insurance [which allows for untried therapeutic practises]."

You have no idea who I am, Watson, and it probably wouldn't help you if you did.
Yours &c-
(((i put my name here)))
postscript : Well done for the Nobel. I'm getting one too.

PPS - & would you explain to us how to judge which eggs are suitable for which lucky patients, & which doth not merit the experiment.
PPS - & would you explain to us how to judge which eggs are suitable for which lucky patients, & which doth not merit the experiment.

author by .:.publication date Thu Oct 18, 2007 14:08author address author phone Report this post to the editors

& quite right too. He's decided that people with more melanin aren't of the same intelligence as us.
This is the perfect opportunitity for us all to jump up and down on his head... Please do.

Dr Watson was due to speak at London's Science Museum tomorrow, but directors called off the event last night after the comments were made public - He's got 4 more gigs to promote his book
& human enhancement agenda.

His latest quip about black people not being as smart as white people tops his ""People say it would be terrible if we made all girls pretty. I think it would be great."" and his reportedly saying that a woman should have the right to abort her child if tests were able to determine it would be homosexual.

as I said - jump on the man's head. Boycott - Censure & take his Nobel back. Then use him as an example of how biotech & modern genetics haven't really gone much further than Eugenics.

more info :-
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,219389....html

 
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