SWP disbanded at 12 midnight tonight (Friday June 21ST)

by KO Wed Jun 26, 2002 15:27

Planned by whom and for what reasons?
The NHS is planned but that doesn't mean it isn't a capitalist institution. By the way multinationals plan. In Russia different units made up that they had reached planned targets to avoid the Gulag.
Every capitalist economy has the potential to go from Russia pre-89 to Russia post-89. Oh and the problems did not come about because of 'the counter revolution' to capitalism. The crisis in the economy had little to do with democracy, why 1989 and not 1979 for instance?

by OK - SP Tue Jun 25, 2002 16:02

We never said the Russia was an advanced economy. We said that as a planned economy & there were definite gains. The USSR was undemocratic which was the major reason for its colapse.

Russia is no longer a planned economny. The restoration of capitalism (which the SWP cheered on) is well established. The lives of those in eastern europe was not great prior to 1989, but now it is even worse as capitalism and its poverty & unemployment is restored.

by KO Tue Jun 25, 2002 10:32

Oh come come. Russia like China now was a bastion of progress - its 'workers state' economy so advanced it collapsed. Great.
Surely if you want to be opportunistic just keep repeating over and over again "its a degenerated workers state - Trotsky said so". What about China now wheres your support for deformed workers state - I can't hear it. Maybe you need to ask Taffe to come up with a position on it for you.
Cuba - yes its state capitalist, if Chomsky came we'd be all over that too

by OK - SP Mon Jun 24, 2002 16:42

Does any member of the SWP seriously believe that the USSR was a capitalist state?

The State Capitalist theory was adopted by the Swimmers in an opportunistic attempt to get members in post war western Europe. Why bother trying to explain the nature of USSR when you can just label it Capitalist.

And why were the SWP all over that Public Meeting with Che Geuava's daughter a few months ago? Surely they believe that Cuba is Capitalist? Surely then they would sell their paper outside a meeting with G. W Bush's daughter!

by Rose Mon Jun 24, 2002 13:57

I didn't write that last message since it only had one denunciation of the SWP in it. By the way I have just broke a fingernail because I was posting against those bastards. Its bloody Monday and thats down to those scum bags aswell.

Yes Mummy, just a minute...

by Rose Mon Jun 24, 2002 13:30

I didn't write the last message.

by OK Mon Jun 24, 2002 12:35

I wish the SWP would disband it would make the work of those on the left much easier.

The SWP have turned hundreds (if not thousands) off left wing politics because of their tactics. Sell the paper and recruit, covergroups etc.....

Have SWP members ever wondered why they get very little support from ordinary people? Just look at your election results.

In the Anti Bin Charges Campaign all you do is sell the paper, try to recruit, and try to undercut other left parties involved. In Waterford the SWP attacked Bertie Ahern's car, this was against the mood of the people there and it turned people more away from you.

Serious ordinary members of SWP should leave them and join a proper party of Socialist Workers.

by Rose Mon Jun 24, 2002 10:51

My life is so awful but I know who's to blame, my plants won't blossom, I can't friggin dance, I'm penniless, my nicest shirt won't fit anymore, my mates think I'm weird, I'm deeply unhappy. It's all the fault of those s friggin w friggen p'ers.
I hate capitalism, FF, FG, etc etc. I hate the multinationals, racism, sexism, homophobia etc etc. I hate low pay, bosses, corruption, royalty, you name it.

Put them all together and it still comes nowhere near the hate I have for the SWP.

Anyposting that has no comment about the SWP should be censored. If theres a dodgy posting calling for unity, or to turn on the real enemy - wipe it, better still if there is some ridiculous posting such as the above then its them bastards trying to discredit our wonderful tool for attacking the 'em ruling (swp) class.

Workers of the world unite against the SWP. Anybody who disagrees then you're one of them.

Ok mummy I'm coming now...

by general gordon kerr - mi5/special branch/Fru/snotty nosed snobby peeler fuks Sun Jun 23, 2002 23:55

this seems to be wishful thinking on behalf of the state, but just who are the swp, why does special branch/mi5 continually hav such an interest in them, i wud never have heard of them, till now, but they must be doing something right cos they seem to have offended some snotty nosed oul snobby peeler/establishment fuks.

by TG Fri Jun 21, 2002 22:42

They haven't gone away you know, unfortunetly.

by Loz - SWP Fri Jun 21, 2002 17:36

That's deadly cause I owe two years subs! That's a saving of nearly three Euro. I might treat myself to a pint tonight.

by Rose Fri Jun 21, 2002 15:28

Come on this is stupid, we all know that it's a SWP trick to discredit indymedia. SWP stop behaving like morons.

by IST Supporter Fri Jun 21, 2002 14:16

.. careful now ;)

by Andrew - SWP Belfast Fri Jun 21, 2002 14:14

Where do you get this shit???
Grow the fuck up.