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It's not miscellaneous, but Indymedia don't have a category for this
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Wednesday April 06, 2005 16:42 by Séamus Ó Cadhain
Adams Speech The following is the text of the Gerry Adams speech, currently being delivered. An address to the IRA |
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cartoon in my local paper today - two people with telly boxes as heads on the sofa looking at "the box", (not the dvd or playstation the real thing good old original television) and the one "in control" (with the remote) turns to the other slightly (amazing what cartoons can communicate its quite an art) and says-
Well after the documentary on Prince Ranier, there's the Charles & Camilla wedding, and then a special on the conclave (and my mind filled in - thats what you do with cartoons you fill in the details) and the highlights of the papal funeral, and a biog of the prince of hanover who's in a coma, and a flashback to grace kelly, and then the news and then the movie- Star Wars.
there mightn't be a "imperialism" section here, but golly gosh there seems to be one on TV in the "real world".
"This is a strategy for winning votes and losing the war."
i agree with you 100%, and i believe that is actually why sinn fein exists today. they changed their own rules to be part of the situation that they tried to destroy for 30 years.
but hey, atleast now they have steady paychecks coming in from the british government, have british funded jobs to hand out to the "boys", and can afford really posh armani suits! so that's what our day will come really meant to the provos!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm afraid that I have to defer to Barry on this occasion. This latest and most Machiavellian round of choreography smack of cyncisim and opportunism. Moreover, for the 'back to war' brigade within republicanism - and many republicans who have stalled their lives to continue subterranean republican activities, some becoming jailed in doing so - this will seem like a plan hatched a long time ago, from the details of which they were kept in the dark.
They should feel like utter dupes, patsies, expendable men; people who have been used as leverage, part of a once august army that has now become an electoral expediency.
Adams shows himself as adept at calculating the public mood, skilled in manipulating even the most inhospitable of circumstances, but utterly inured to the ideological and moral implications of his actions. He plays, not to the discering politico or the media, but the lowest common denominator. This is a strategy for winning votes and losing the war.
With the provo AC's imminent implosion, - and the magical transformation of the Volunteers into paid party 'activists' dedicated to insuring that Gerry Armani's parlimentary career track remains on course, what serious options actually exist now for regrouping and rebuilding a republican movement opposed to the GFA , and committed to core republican principles?
Let er' rip.
I think I might agree with some of the things Barry said. The statement does semm to raise more questions than it answers. Why did Adams make this important announcement publicly and to look as though it is the first time that the 'ira' has ever heard of this suggestion from Adams? And yes, why would the 'ira' answer it publicly too? Anyway, I thought the 'ira' didnt even do anything these days except for issue statements from 'P O'Neill' and the odd killing and robbery. I thought this 'ira' an urban myth now anyway?
Indymedia exists as an internet community, a sort of virtual collaboration of interests to create the space. If you look at the list of topics already available - they reflect the interests and preoccupations of people who suggested the topics.
Mayday2004 is not an option for this post, I believe, but it is still a topic that receives reports, as does the ISF, the bin tax and EU. Maybe Workers Issues would fit? redjade has presented shots of republican demonstrations as elections or rights and freedoms recently. But you're probably right that there is no clean, non-judgemental category currently available.
If there is one to be found and agreed on I don't know - but may I suggest that this will not be found by debate on the newswire. It is an editorial decision and by Indymedia protocol this takes place on the editorial list - where the site is run. You are welcome to offer suggestions / discuss there. Here, some nasty editor will probably delete it.
On a non-dalek choice for the particular post - I would put the article in elections, but the debate in Ceasefire.
C.
Firstly we have to recognise the utterly false claim by Adams, that his statement is a personal appeal to the Provo Army Council.
Utter rubbish, since when did Adams begin communicating with an Army coucil through the medium of public statements and appeals ?
Rubbish. Even more nonsensical is the Provo AC "reply" to Adams . Since when did they begin communicating with him in the form of public statements ?
So why the pretence. Why this fraulent attempt to portray this to the Irish people as a 2 way, highly public conversation ?
Its patently clear that these statements are a choreographed exercise to prepare the base ahead of what was decided upon over a decade ago. Maybe even 2 decades ago. Sinn Feins total absorption into the colonial system. That is the real issue , not arms.
Having finally disposed of the last pretence that they will ever resort to revolutionary methods in the future the way is now clear for sinn fein and others to be asked to explain exactly what they intend to do about the core cause of conflict on this island - the denial of Irish sovereignty.
This current process is based upon the Hume Adams document. Hume remember does not even believe in the concept of a sovereign Irish nation defining himself as a post-nationalist.
While Sinn Fein continue to make the bizarre claim that unionism is in disarray and they are on course for Irish unity, the reverse is true.
Unionism is confident and entrenched behind Paisley. They will have stormont back and their undemocratic veto on unity is enshrined within the GFA.
Sinn Fein have only now, 11 years into their peace process, called on the free-state govt to issue a green paper on unity , whilst the SDLP has issued their own paper calling for Dublin to assist.
Laughably, the Dublin response was firstly to attend the launch of the SDLPs document, and then scupper it hours later declaring it a red herring. Dublin maintains the GFA is the only basis for unity available. As the GFA enshrines the unionist veto, It is now totally clear that none of them have any strategy whatsoever for Irish unity and the restoration of Irish sovereignty..
It is nationalism which is in utter disarray, republicanism is criminalised in the eyes of many ordinary people, and the British remain in total control of this nations destiny.
As regards the heading, I realise that "Adams calls on IRA to embrace peace" might have been more appropriate, by I have to admit a fit of, well, not quite pique, at seeing that there is no Imperialism/(or to be less biased) British-Irish relations heading in the categories section. Surely Indymedia needs to be a little more plural in this regard.
As regards the statement, I think it is significant, but that it raises a lot more questions for the republican movement and what it has been doing for a number of years and whether the IRA is just now an electoral expediency.
Surprised Barry hasn't said more. ;-)
The IRA is giving "due consideration" to an appeal by Gerry Adams for it to embrace politics and abandon the armed struggle.
The Sinn Fein leader said the climate was now right for the IRA to "fully embrace and accept" democratic means
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/4419839.stm
but its interesting! & all over "other press".
my God man, why didn't you give a "clear and meaningful title"? and the "its not miscellanous as the subtitle?
Anyways, the Lehandakari, (Basque taoiseach) has described Gerry Adam's move as politically couragous to the radio SER and has called on the leader of ETA's political wing Ortegi to follow suit.
And all the spanish media have picked up on this statement with the words "sincere", "couragous" "timely" et cetera. Even some right wing media is linking to good old fashioned catholicke values and democracy (¿?) but one title has alledged that SF are "power hungry for the UK elections".
--- (you can never get some people to understand ireland or the uk i assure ye)
The Basque is currently in the lead up to its regional parliament election, (in case you've forgotten) which most soundings indicated will see the current tripartite re-elected. The lead up has not been without further ETA arrests throughout Spain or a diminished threat of terrorist violence.
HB has been ilegalised since Aznar's days as ye know, and the remaining deputies in the parliament such as Ortegi - may not stand again, for "having certain links to a terrorist organisation", so another party was recently formed but was almost immediately rejected by the judiciary and policeandthus dissallowed fielding candidates.
The Lehandakari said that was a PP/PSOE joint decision to block a "pan-nationalist front" in the Basque, and then surprise surprise the Euskadi commies said they'd take the candidates on their lists and posters. This has foxed the "pan-spanish front" coz the communist party has absolutely no links with ETA in fact its a very very small communist party. (even considering how small communist parties can get - which is pretty small) (sure you could fill a snug in a cosy pub and call it a communist party and people would have no trouble believing you). But lets see how big this new communist no links with ETA but fielding outright independence sympathasizers with ETA party will do in the election.
in spanish:-
http://www.cadenaser.com/articulo.html?d_date=&xref=20050407csrcsrnac_6&type=Tes&anchor=csrcsrpor
http://www.lavanguardia.es/web/20050407/51181120520.html
Janet: gerrymandered jogging machines?. .
Its obviously a British plot to kill off republicans through obesity and lack of proper sauna facilities.
His speeches always remind me of something you'd hear at a 1930's political rally in Berlin.
These guys are dangerous, and this latest propaganda piece is, as pedro so rightly said, just to lure fools back out to vote for Sinn Fein.
Something occurred to me today actually regarding the language used when talking (or NOT as is more often the case) about IRA arms.
it is never "Disarmament, Disarming" etc, Instead they use the nicely ambiguous 'putting their weapons out of reach'. OUT OF REACH
what is that supposed to mean?. Is that like "keep medicines OUT OF REACH of children"
The top shelf, In the attic, at the end of the garden? Out of reach of Whom? Dublin , London, PSNI, ? out of reach of IRA Loose cannons who like to police their neghbourhood with IRA weapons theyre supposed to be looking after.
Imagine the headline "Reagan gorbachev agree to put Nuclear Arsenal Out of reach" would Hardly have been reassuring.
I cant understand why so many people WANT to believe Gerry Adams. He is a liar and a propagandist - a good one incidentally. But he lies , blatantly, and continually, . Or even worse; he has no appropriate measure of control over the IRA, either way -he's either lying or you just cant trust him.
yep, the next time any of us are in marbella or bulgaria we are welcome to have a dip in the jaccuzzi
The british government were going to hand over £70 million to loyalist paramilitary groups to regenerate their areas, yet no money was earmarked for desolate republican areas.
Deprived loyalist areas are served by the Ballysillan, Avoniel, Shankill, Valley, Robinson, and Grove leisure centres.
Just this week Doctors were recommending exercise to combat, depression, anxiety and stress, as a substitute for anti-depressants and valium.
Yet sprawling republican areas only have Andytown, and Beechmount leisure centres.
Is it any wonder republicans may have been forced to resort to creative fund raising activities to ensure their communities may eventually have equality of access to leisure facilities.
I still wouldn't get into a bar room brawl with any of them for at least another few years - especially where the locals, maybe up to seventy appear to be deaf and dumb and blind. Why didn't Gerry ask them to hand back the Northern bank cash, it woud be a start. Feeling it may be an election ploy was'nt there one announced yesterday - it might just tempt the floating foolish voter to be foolish once more. I Think Gerry might know what the IRA's reply will be as his face appears on the other side of the coin as well.
blahblahblah is correct, maybe we should start posting gerry pancakes and waffles.
sinn fein is no longer a radical/revolutionary/alternative political party option in ireland. after turning in weapons, joining stormont, receiving the crown's paycheck, criminalizing republican prisoner status, beating and killing republicans who dare not follow sinn fein's leadership....they now ask the ira to surrender. mark my words, one day soon sinn fein will ask their grassroots to join the new ruc and will then help stop, arrest, and jail any republican resistance that does not follow sinn fein's leadership. just because people vote sinn fein, does not make them all republicans!!!! so much for the sinn fein slogan of "brits out"! sinn fein will never mention that there are more british troops in northern ireland than in iraq.
You have to admit though, even if he is selling his comrades and principles down the Swanee, Gerry is still one of the greatest wafflers of all time.
Hmm, good question. I think indymedia needs a new topic, something like "empty high-faluting rhetoric from power hungry politicians who have sold their principles for armani suits".
gerry forgot to say, hand in yer weapons and prepare to join the new RUC.