Neutality, Daily abuse at Shannon Airport

by Kevin-Scott Wed Mar 30, 2005 21:36

As reported by the NY Times The story of this plane and one of it’s “passengers” a Canadian who was kidnapped. airlifted to Syria and held for 10 months...

Maher Arar, now suing the US government his story substantiated by the NY Times.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/033005Z.shtml

by A10 Sun Mar 27, 2005 21:41

Those are no more learjet or types thereof.
They are more on the line of UK made Hawker Siddley or Gulfstream.
For the plane spotters and other muppets who are boring the Hell out of everyone here on their plane spotting activities.
Get a copy of JANES Commerical aircraft,so you can know the difference between a Cessna and a Gulfstream.
www.FAA.com will link you all into the evil US air aviation authorithy website where you can go and make your very juvenile enquiries about planes that dont exist!
Do you lot HONESTLY think the USA or anyone else for that matter gives a hoot about these planes??The CIA has been Looong in this game ,of changing numbers aircraft and even the component parts to mask aircraft identity.You really need to out to Arizona and fly over some of the airfields there to see how many aircraft the US govt has in contract storage and can activate within 24 hours.You have ZIP chance of proving anything.
Only if you get into one of those planes or manage to interview one of the crew will you EVER have a plausable case that will stand up.AND THAT is being made more and more difficult by the other anti war idiots who insist on breaking into shannon for publicity stunts.
Let some real Pros get the information.

by Kevin-Scott Sun Mar 27, 2005 01:41

US “N” numbers are 5 characters long may be 1-5 numbers or 1- 4 numbers and a suffix letter or 1-3 numbers and 2 suffix letters.

http://162.58.35.241/e.gov/NN/n-numHelp.asp

by karen fallon Sat Mar 26, 2005 20:49

yep. i'm sure, the F.A.A. does not put a number after the reg.
the info was from the F.A.A.
i know cessna well, i used to fly one. if you can find anything else out it would maybe be helpfull. these planes in the picture are a form of LEAR JET and therefore i reckon the info is just a shell screen as it was before in the C.I.A Jet scenario... who knows, we just have to keep trying....

by James Bigglesworth Sat Mar 26, 2005 05:42

Are you sure about the reg?
N92405 - should that not be N9240S?
("N" followed by four digits then another letter)
Are you sure all the digits are in the correct order?

anyway the planes in the photos are definitely not Cessna 182 or 182N.

The Cessna 182 Skylane:
"High performance four seat light aircraft"
http://www.airliners.net/info/stats.main?id=145

by karen fallon Fri Mar 25, 2005 21:58

Ed, this is the F.A.A. details on yer plane, one o them anyway. i do not know yet if this is a shell but may do work on it tomorrow. only read this article now. hope that it helps.
You may also note that it says this is a 'fixed wing single engine' ...'cessna'. it does not look like any cessna that i'm familiar with,more loke a Lear.
*****************************************
FAA Registry
N-Number Inquiry Results
N92405 is Assigned

Assigned/Registered Aircraft
Aircraft Description

Serial Number 18260187 Type Registration Corporation
Manufacturer Name CESSNA Certificate Issue Date 01/04/2005
Model 182N Status Valid
Type Aircraft Fixed Wing Single-Engine Type Engine Reciprocating
Pending Number Change None Dealer No
Date Change Authorized None Mode S Code 53147574
MFR Year 1969 Fractional Owner NO



Registered Owner

Name AB FLYS LLC
Street 5542 NW 43RD ST
City GAINESVILLE State FLORIDA Zip Code 32653-8307
County ALACHUA
Country UNITED STATES



Airworthiness

Engine Manufacturer CONT MOTOR Classification Standard
Engine Model O-470 SERIES Category Normal

A/W Date 12/16/1969

Other Owner Names

None


Temporary Certificate
None


Fuel Modifications
None

For further information, please contact:

Civil Aviation Registry
AFS-700
PO BOX 25082
Oklahoma City, OK 73125

by redjade Fri Mar 25, 2005 17:54

Army Documents Shed Light on CIA 'Ghosting'
- Systematic Concealment Of Detainees Is Found
By Josh White
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, March 24, 2005
Senior defense officials have described the CIA practice of hiding unregistered detainees at Abu Ghraib prison as ad hoc and unauthorized, but a review of Army documents shows that the agency's "ghosting" program was systematic and known to three senior intelligence officials in Iraq.


Discussion and analysis of this article....

Ghost Detainees: Who Knew What, and When?
http://dailykos.com/story/2005/3/24/17388/9578


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→Blair complicit in Torturing his own citizens?....

A House of Commons committee faulted Prime Minister Tony Blair's government Friday for not saying whether it uses information extracted through torture in other countries. The Foreign Affairs panel also urged the government to make "strong representations" to the United States about the treatment of detainees at Guantanamo Bay. British citizens who have been released from the Cuban base or who were detained in Afghanistan have alleged that they were tortured.

"We find it surprising and unsettling that the government has twice failed to answer our specific question on whether or not the U.K. receives or acts upon information extracted under torture by a third country," the committee said in its annual report. "We recommend that the government give a clear answer to the question. The government should ensure that it is understood by other governments that the mistreatment of British nationals is unacceptable and will be met with appropriate action."

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/international/AP-Britain-Torture.html?

Discussion and analysis of this article....
http://dailykos.com/story/2005/3/25/7753/53854

by Edward Horgan Thu Mar 24, 2005 18:15

If so please contact your nearest Garda station as they are seeking information on the transport of prisoners for torture through Shannon airport, and you may be able to assist them with their enquiries.

2 executive jets at Shannon. Are they innocent or torture jets?