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how a few Irish Voted and "Not Voted".
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politics / elections |
news report
 Sunday March 13, 2005 10:04 by iosaf = O' as if
the emergent democracy of Eire held two by elections on March 11th 2005.
On the 11th of March, those Irish citizens of counties Meath and North Kildare were called to vote in a secret ballot, as is their right for living in a tippy toppy emergent democracy, regardless of Ethnic origin, Religious Creed, Social Economic class, or Gender.
( but only if they actually live there, and pay or don't pay tax there, as the tippy toppy emergent democracy of Eire doesn't afford its citizens postal votes.)
Out they came in their handfuls.
Leaping over the primroses and daffodils, pushing aside the lobbying publicans to exercise the rights so sorely won and desperately needed in far off places.
 the right to participate secretly in an emergent democracy regardless of ethnicity, gender,social class or creed. North Kildare-
Historically a part of the Pale, Kildare is one of the counties of Ireland with the oldest direct tradition of parliamentary government or lack of independence depending on how you look at it.
It has been the favoured home to horse breeders and smack dealers since the declaration of independence.
With an electorate of 65,080 the constituency of North Kildare logged a poll of 25,313 votes.
This is 38.90% of the registered electorate.
There are no figures available for disenfranchised citizens of North Kildare who resident in the EU were denied a postal vote.
This means 39,000 people stayed indoors and either took the system for granted, or registered their abstentionist anger.
Many foreign observers, feel that the Republic of Eire has not reached the stage of democracy where organised abstention is considered either a censure on the government (of ruling parties and opposition) or to discredit the election process, as there has been no sign of "inclusive" all party dialogue and co-operation in the Irish state.
There were 8 candidates-
Catherine Murphy an Independent non party member radical leftist in the post Mao-ist hill climbing chunky knit stocking mode who got
5,985 votes with 23.64% of votes cast she is elected.
the losing candidates and the losing parties were-
Aine Brady Fianna Fail 6,201votes 24.50%share
Darren Scully Fine Gael 4,630votes 18.29%share
P.MacNamara Labour 4,507votes 17.81%share
Kate Walsh Progressive Democrats 2,006v 7.92%
J J Power Green 1,547 6.11% Gerry Browne Independent 226votes 0.89% Seanan O Coistin Independent 211votes 0.83%
The candidates for FF, FG; and Labour were eliminated (a techincal term for a euthanasing practise still popular in rural Eire).
The other candidates had their deposit withheld, Eire still operates a surety based democratic system which means only those of a certain social economic class may present themselves for election. The independence party SF did not present a candidate in the Pale this year.
Please note the political parties of Eire do not operate list systems for agreed candidates like most other EU states, and any only fecker or publican with any sort of surname can run, thus Irish political parties never present communality of purpose which is expressed in other emergent democracies where government is fronted by messrs- Juncker, Socrates, Zapatero or Blair.
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Meath
Meath is one of the larger counties of Ireland and is home to the Boyne river, Tara site, Boyne battle site, Drogheda massacre site, and lots of history which the current adminstration are hoping to move the residents on from by pouring concrete all over it.
with an electorate of 121,041registered resident voters of all ethnic origins, creeds and genders it has traditionally chosen candidates acceptable to established farming interests rather than the small mining community of Edenderry (a little village operating an autonomous collective non bin tax paying community, Edenderry counts roughly 800 people 447 of whom managed to climb over their barricades on Friday and spoil votes). The election in Meath was caused by the resignation of Fine Gael former Leader John Bruton, a strong farmer who erected the Edenderry barricades in 2002 during the now legendary "Navan road mazda 323 drunken driver debacle".
Total valid 49,706 41.07%
Spoilt votes 477 0.95%
Total poll 50,183 41.46%
So at a quick glance you will realise that 58.24% of the electorate of meath couldn't give a monkeys.
Shane McEntee Fine Gael 16,964v 34.13%
Shane Cassells Fianna Fail 16,117v 32.42% Dominic Hannigan Labour 5,567v 11.20% Joe Reilly Sinn Fein 6,087v 12.25% Sirena Campbell PD 2,679v 5.39% Fergal O'Byrne Green 1,590v 3.20%
Liam O Gogain Independent 702v 1.41%
Dominic Hannigan of Labour and Joe Reilly of Sinn Fein were eliminated humanely, whilst the deposits of Sirena, Fergal and Liam were retained by the authorities and will be invested in new barricades to stop democratic representation emerging in Edenderry.
Shane Cassells of FF was not eliminated nor did he lose his deposit, but he didn't win.
In 2002 an electronic ballot was held in the constituency of Meath and you may consult the details of that poll here-
http://election.polarbears.com/art0045.htm
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The website of the winning Left radical revolutionary socialist - liberation theologist - ecological - friendly - hill walking - barricade ending - feminist to the knickers - masonically guided - takes advice from the anarchosyndicalists of barcelona's thinkthanks- candidate can be perused at-
http://www.catherinemurphy.info/
With these elections it is hoped by the ruling class of the Republic of Eire that their status as an emergent democracy will be assured and that they won't be attracting critical UN resolutions.
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Jump To Comment: 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1Zimbabwe has adopted an Irish attitude "learn democracy by example" to non residents, and the supreme court has decided to stop postal votes in the upcoming election which has been called after global and regional and national pressure on the government there.
In the words on one local commentator "why should a bunch of Zimbabweans who live in democracies have a say on my government?"
http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5611517
as it was put on the back of a serviette and sent to valerie giscard d'estaing was for "european citizens to vote in the constituency of their birth as a reciprocal right" they were to be able to choose. If they wanted the right to vote in the constituency of EU residency they choose it, if they want the right to vote in the constituency of their birth they choose that.
Spain is leading the way in giving voting rights to immigrants and EU citizens after 5 years "citizenship test". If you're still in a state after 5 years, generally it means you've cuddled a native, learnt a menu, got a job, and argued with someone. = Enough to earn emancipation.
Playing football is different however, modern tippy toppy football is all about knowing when to score goals and when not to, when to lead popular opinion on morality tales and scandal stuff and when not to.
The modern footballer can be assigned to any "nation" by grandparents nationality but has to earn their primary qualification in diplomacy after being tutored endlessly by the special secret services and then not least there's the physical exercise to think about.
At no stage was loads of carbohydrate in the diet, pretty girlfriends, press-ups and so suggested on the napkin sent to Giscard.
Valerie though took offence to the beethoven bistro napkin message, which is why he's in the bad books and we're going to reject his crap constitution, because .:. a bruddah he is not .:.
enjoy being a diasporic "leaving soon".
do you have your "leaving certificate" and airport tax ready? coz ryanair lie about the get out costs.
I'm leaving Ireland soon. I expect I will be gone for 5-10 years. As far as my work is concerned I can either do the same job for the next 40 years in Dublin or I can leave for a short time and move on to something new, then come home and move up. Career wise in this country there are a lot of lower level jobs and plenty at a higher level. But nearly all the middle steps are missing. I intend on coming back as when I have kids i'd like them to grow up here.
However every single time there is an important referendum I will be back to vote. I'm going to transfer my address on the electoral register to my parents home. I don't care too much who is in government while I'm away (unless a bunch of neo-nazis or catholic fundamentalists get in). But referendums can have a long term effect that will still be in place when I come back and that IS my business.
Hey maybe we could stop people who might die soon from voting as they mightn't be around for the consequences of their actions either!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"I dare say in earlier days of emancipation the same was said about catholics, women and non rate payers."
The big problem with your argument is that all these people were residents living and working here!
I think that postal voting rules should be more relaxed as in other countries.
Another big problem is your talk of "emancipation". Surely you don't think voting is emancipation! In South Africa Blacks are not emancipated. All they won was the right to queue up every 4/5 years and fill out a bit of paper.
Answer the simple question: Why should Irish that have left the state without the intention of coming back in the short term have a vote? Why should people with Irish grandparents that are not resident in the state be able to choose who is or is not my TD?
I contributed to the campaign to extend voting rights to new migrants to the EU state of Spain, where I am resident which was granted in the last year and will come into effect in 2007.
I have never argued for the american diasporia, rather for common European voting rights where each state has the same level of particapatory democratic right to representation. Ireland is exceptional in this regard.
No state in Europe which affords these rights has ever reported a marked divergence from resident voting patterns. None have ever recorded more than 1.5% divergence in fact. So the idea of you being out voted by a "diasporia" within europe are groundless. I dare say in earlier days of emancipation the same was said about catholics, women and non rate payers.
As i have quite clearly re-iterated again this morning in the comment to the archived article-
http://www.indymedia.ie/newswire.php?story_id=63840&condense_comments=false#comment102499
Democracy for its continued progress is reliant on the emergent political class to which, exists and grows regardless of social economic class, it grows wherever the seeds of democracy, communality of purpose in upholding the civilised values of democratic society have been sown.
It grows and is fostered wherever people of any age but more notably young have realised that the good governance means more than going to the polls once in a four year period.
As such refugees and migrants have as much political stock to invest in the good governance of the society in which they live, be it considered the "nation of Eire" or the Irish state of the EU.
Their participation in such, helps to guarantee their commitment to democratic and peaceful means of social engagement both in the new countries of their residence and through familial and other bonds has a direct effect on the societies they have left. Involving migrants from non democratic nations in democratic decision making at any level, grass roots, community, municipal, regional or national quickly communicates if succesful such values to those of the same nations who didn't leave.
Both refugees and migrants are central to the emerging political class of Europe, both in regional and exterior concerns. It is perhaps a sign of Ireland's backwardness in acceptance of such that is considered to be one of the most racist states in the Union.
Need i remind you that one of the effects of mass migration to the USA and Canada in the post famine period was the increased calls for emancipation and rights and democratic expression in the Ireland left behind.
Also it doesn't need to be spellt out in big crayon that neither new TD referred to in the article above were elected on the majority of franchise in the constituencies they are soon to be held to represent completely under oath.
Either the rights to democratic participation are constantly expanded, or they wither to blatent oligarchic non-representation.
Why should I get out-voted by a bunch of Irish that are years out of this state? Why should residents get out-voted by the "diaspora" with their millions of votes? Why should I get TDs chosen by foreign resident Bush and Blair voters? I did give an opinion on US election, but I never claimed that I should vote in the election! That's a task for those living in the USA.
I call for votes for non-citizens living in Ireland, asylm seekers, refugees, etc. Why won't you nationalists do that? Or is there a blood test for voting in your opinion?
= votes for everyone. "its called emancipation".
migrants / asylum seekers / refugees / third world workers for Irish enterprise, third world fishers of fish the Irish have taken et cetera et cetera...
& if you believe that the Irish state as one of the richest states in the world has no effect on other states you really have no understanding of Irish economic or banking policy or indeed why that much capital is entrusted to the Irish state at this present time.
And I suppose you were one of those who expressed opinions on the US presidential election?
This idiotic claim that Irish living in ANOTHER state should have a vote in this state is always coming up. The fact is that not all residents have a vote! Why not call for a vote for Asylum Seekers, Refugees, and other non-citizens!! Irish abroad are NOT effected by the Irish State. Why should they get a vote? To say they should is blind primordial nationalism. Citizens abroad already have too many votes. They get to vote in Senate elections if graduate of NUI and TCD. This vote should be stripped from them. I agree there should be a more lax postal voting system but NOT for non-residents.
let that be a warning to you. no more messing from ye!
you could check its town page on http://www.offaly.ie was online, but it isn't. This might mean it doesn't exist anymore, perhaps offaly has fallen into the bog?
and why? might we venture to ask?
Is this perhaps some consequence of not contributing to political life and in the space of 4 years only contributing two articles to indymedia.ie ?
http://www.indymedia.ie/index.php?topic=®ion=offaly
This is a very severe action to take, just because people don't consider contribution to their governance either
directly by joining politically based campaigns, joining political parties, or joining in community groups
or social assemblies or trade unions, or even activating their local place of worship to the betterment of general society to be important any longer is no justification for sending them into the myrey slough of Allen ¿is it?