Let Foreign Students Keep their Right to Work

by Davy Carlin Wed Feb 09, 2005 17:57

Good to see something being organised in relation to this.

by Edwin Thu Feb 10, 2005 02:10

Maybe the Chinese community can use the chinese new year celebration to further their message

by pc Thu Feb 10, 2005 03:08

interesting article
Why did so many Chinese come to Ireland?
written by people in the migrant rights centre last year

wonky chinatown page... http://www.dublin.ie/chinatown/

Students head for Ireland
http://www.hothousemedia.com/etm/etmbackissues/janetm05/janetm05news.htm
see

I met with the president? of the irish chinese infomation centre Dr Chan(sp) on behalf of the ISF last year although she was very nice/distinguished it never went anywhere(with the ISF), they have an office on fitzwillaim square, very much advocating the China town idea...

fyi
Irish Chinese Information Centre Dublin

broken web addy dublin.ie/icic

every site i've just looked at has business links and backing...

by George Stapleton Sat Feb 12, 2005 15:55

Well done to the organisers of this demo.

I must admit I was surprised to see the pics, I didn't think GR could still bring people out. Especially since these pickets haven't been postered for or anything.

Then I looked at the bottom pic and realised that I was on that demo. It called by GR after a chinese bloke was killed when I was in fifth year, which was 3 years ago.

I don't mean to be cynical but, I think it's wrong to mis-use photos to give the impression of a demo being bigger than it actually is. Even if both demo's are to do with those people with chinese faces!!!!

by fred Sat Feb 12, 2005 22:47

"every site i've just looked at has business links and backing..."
Doh!!

by Maire Sun Feb 13, 2005 18:13

The reality is that many English Language Chinese 'students' in this country are not genuine students. They have come here to work and the only way they can get visas is to come as students. In some cases unscrupulous school owners are charging them 'school fees' which are in effect charges for visas. In some cases these school owners are giving the 'students' letters (and probably charging them for them) saying that they have attended over 80% of their classes and on this basis can get a further six month visa extension. In some cases If classes do exist they can be of very dubious quality and students are crammed into unsuitable space. Students in class can be absolutely exhausted as few, if any, are working only the twenty hours that were previosly permitted. They work all hours round the clock.
I must stress that there are both genuine schools and genuine students running parallel with the cowboys.
If Ireland wants Chinese workers then work visas without any study component should be issued to Chinese nationals.
It is incorrect to say that English Language School owners were not included on the recent trade delegation to China.
Where did the writer get the figure of 3,000 English Language Teachers likely to lose their jobs?
The exploitation in this sector is two fold. English language teachers are extremely poorly paid, with few permanent jobs in this sector and maybe Joe C should take this up as an issue also.

by w Thu Mar 31, 2005 01:55 wayneboston at hotmail dot com

Marie is right to point out some of the serious problems within the TEFL industry in this country.
I have worked for many reputable language schools but recently I came across a school trading as a 'medical college' claiming to be accredited by a major Irish university. This is not the case. They do however charge their students, who are mostly nurses, approx €7,000 - €10,000 per year upfront and have approx 100 students per year. At the end the students are set up as nursing assistants on very low pay in the UK working the old folk’s homes.
I have met many unhappy students from the establishment.

by w Thu Mar 31, 2005 01:57

Marie is right to point out some of the serious problems within the TEFL industry in this country.
I have worked for many reputable language schools but recently I came across a school trading as a 'medical college' claiming to be accredited by a major Irish university. This is not the case. They do however charge their students, who are mostly nurses, approx €7,000 - €10,000 per year upfront and have approx 100 students per year. At the end the students are set up as nursing assistants on very low pay in the UK working the old folk’s homes.
I have met many unhappy students from the establishment.

by padraic - Indymedia Ireland Editorial Group - Indymedia Ireland Thu Mar 31, 2005 02:14

hey W,
Why not tell us more? Indymedia.ie is the perfect place to air this type of story and if this 'medical college' is doing what you say it is then you'll be helping prevent them exploit many more students.
If you don't want to do the story yourself mail me at the above address and I can take it to the editorial list, or send a post there yourself, just sign up here

by eastwind Sat Jul 02, 2005 14:45 q12we34r2002 at yahoo dot com

As a over-sea student, i have experienced the work when i was in college!

i came to ireland through language school. i saw is that all the young chinese student's purpose to ireland is learn English, if processing well, they will go for higher education. that is no dault about it. so the language school part is more likely the section of trainform, and you can not expect a chinese students perform well in college, unless they have some idea about the English envionment. otherwise, if ireland not speaking English , they wounldnot be here. also i have to say only part of chinese students were doing which is your mentioned ( through student visa came to ireland and looking for work), the reason is that those young student were first time work in their life, they may never worked befor, when they got the little wage, the want spent what they want, they may good about it. like many young irish school leaver, i feel dispointed about them, they are missing themsleves, missing the dirction to the real chellenge.