RSF Protest Against US State Department in Edinburgh

by moonwolf Sat Sep 25, 2004 20:04

Oldest party, have you difficulty counting? R.S.F was founded by a group of embittered old men who walked out of the Sinn Fein Ard Fheis in the Mansion House in 1986.

No military wing, can I take it you condemn the actions of C.I.R.A?

But then how could any reasonable person take the word of those who support the murder of women and children.

You have alot more in common with Bush and his administration than you realise.Both republican both murderers for political ends.

by The Insider Sat Sep 25, 2004 20:22

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Ah, the irony of it all...

by pat c Sat Sep 25, 2004 20:30

i fear they are for real. as they claim to be the true SF that means they are the SF that was founded 100 yrs ago ;)

i remember when the sunday tribune referred to RSF holding its 10th ard fheis there was an outraged letter the next wek pointing out that they had been formed in the 1900s.

by moonwolf Sat Sep 25, 2004 20:37

I suppose I should also have compassion for them in their delusion!

As I recall about fifteen of them formed R.S.F and only about six of them were actually accredited to get into the mansion house.

They took young Martin McG 's farwell speech to them serious all the same.......I don't remember a feud!

by Ben Doon Sat Sep 25, 2004 21:54 bendoon at philmaccavity dot org

How big are RSF in scotland? Wonder if they'd protest in Glasgow at the next Rangers game...

by fair play Sun Sep 26, 2004 02:27

perhaps if you read more, you might know what you are talking about. just who has CIRA killed? and if they had, why would RSF have to condemn it?As for the state dept.s designation of RSF: Do you not believe in free speech? Or are such notions only for people in Palestine or Central America? Then you and your "cadres" would speak out. I find nothing sadder than trendy west-brits who while rightly speaking out against injustice elsewhere in the world, would dare not speak up about issues closer to home because theyre not "cool".

by moonwolf Sun Sep 26, 2004 12:43

Are you for real? are you really putting forward the idea that there is no connection between R.S.F and C.I.R.A?

As for reading more, since I have substantial personal knowledge on this particular subject and have read extensively I believe my comments are accurate.

As for "oppression" at home, which oppression are you talking about? Are you unaware of the percentages Islandwide in regard to the G.F agreement? That was the voice of the people, while R.S.F is the voice of the embittered and democratically deposed former President of Sinn Fein, who along with a very small band of misguided followers formed his own party rather than participate in democratic politics therby showing a complete disregard for the will of the people of this Island. A true meglomaniac! Maybe you ought to do a wee bit of reading yourself, other than the deluded utterances of Rory Brady that is.

As for me being a west brit....laughable.

by again! Sun Sep 26, 2004 15:19

So moonwolf, again here you are making allegations you will not or can not back up with fact.Are we to believe you just because you say it is.

Bullshit Moonwolf, why did you bitch_ winch so much.

by reader eile Sun Sep 26, 2004 16:28

Republican Sinn Fein (RSF) and
Reporters sans frontiers (RSF)?

does the international organisation for journalists without borders know it is confused in ireland with the rump republicans?
does the international organisation for journalists have a military wing?

by fair play Sun Sep 26, 2004 20:06

"the murder of women and children."

that was your quote. i was giving you the benifit of doubt by saying you should read more for being so unaware of the facts. If youre not ignorant of them, then youre a liar. one or the other, you choose.

by seámus ó raighailligh Sun Sep 26, 2004 21:24

I can tell moonwolf is a west brit by the way he refers to Ruari Ó Braidaigh as "rory brady", a bit of gaelic too much for you to master???
RSF indeed can claim to be the oldest party in Éire as from 1922 many others spun off/broke away to form the variousparties (Sinn Fein, the stickies etc) we see today. It never ceases to amaze me the way the free staters reserve their worst bile for RSF just because they stayed true to their priciples, what other party in this country can claim that??

Still waiting from this source of fact to fill us in on who the CIRA have been slaughtering wholesale???

Is wanting a 32 county Éire going to be made a crime soon I wonder, its rare to hear anyone talk of such heresy these days, the brits and thier lick arse west brit followers must be thrilled how their ceaseless propaganda has won the day. At least not all have bought into it, even if its a small minority its our choice and no one deserves to be branded a "terrorist" what ever that means, just because of their political beliefs.

by Moonwolf Mon Sep 27, 2004 01:14

Is that not the name that appears on Bradys birth cert?

So lets hear R.S.F condemn C.I.R.A and all other terrorist organisations who act in defiance of the wishes of the majority, and who refused to participate in the cease fire.

R.S.F was founded in 1986 - after it's leader was defeated in his attempt to go against the vast majority of the wishes of the membership of S.F and against the declared wishes of P.I.R.A, or were you not in the mansion house that day? In case you wern't let me inform you that the "Army" gave their support wholeheartedly to the leadership of S.F.

"when you walk out of here today, you walk out alone" Remember?

Pick an argument with someone less well informed, because I really will show you up for the fool that you are.

And as for the West Brit crap that you throw at me, is that the best you can come up with? I can only laugh in your face.

by spikesong Mon Sep 27, 2004 03:25

I dont know who he is, but I dont believe he is a "west brit", and I'm reasonably sure he is not an englishman either, even if he does give the impression of spending too much time out in the midday sun.

by pat c Mon Sep 27, 2004 11:17

RSF certainly have a right to exist and they also have a right not to be demonised but they must expect some lampooning when they claim that they were founded in 1904.

The demonisation of RSF is dangerous, especially to the democratic critics of RSF. Because it leads to a situation where there is a blurring between paramilitary and political oreganisations and in the past led on to a situation wherby members of SF were seen as legitimate targets. There is a small step between this and seeing lawyers such as Pat Finucane as being fellow travellers.

I dont in any way support RSF or CIRA but I wouldnt expect RSF to condemn the CIRA any more than I would have expected SF to condemn the PIRA.

The campaign being waged by the CIRA is futile and it will only result in the loss of more innocent lives. It will also result in the ruining of the lives of many young people who have been seduced by the mystique of the gun and the belief in some divine handing down of power from the First Dail. It must be clear to even the self-deluded and blinkered that there is no community support for the CIRA.

But the CIRA prisoners are arrested under Special Legislation by Special Police. They are held in Special Interrogation Centres for Special Lengths of time. They are then tried in Special Courts and given Special Sentences. Therefore I believe they are entitled to Special Status.

by pedant Mon Sep 27, 2004 11:27

Just as a matter of interest, I know people who have known Ruairi O Bradaigh since the late 1940s who never refer to him as anything other than Rory Brady.

As for the chap himself, I have met him and found him to be an extremely nice and interesting man whose dedication and beliefs are genuinely held. And by no means the "right wing" caricature that he has sometimes been depicted. Unfortunately I beleive that he made the wrong decision in 1986 and that the organisation he nominally leads is unworthy of him.

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by moonwolf Mon Sep 27, 2004 12:50

Merely maintaining a pacifist anti war position, if it is wrong for Bush and co to bomb Iraq then it is also wrong for C.I.R.A to carry out acts of violence.

as for the "first dail" claim of R.S.F it is absurd. The organisation was founded in 1986, full stop.

by dilseacht Mon Sep 27, 2004 19:19

hot on CIRA's exploits in limerick with the Keanes (see logs passim) comes the news that 3 CIRA 'active (!) ists' have been charged in Belfast Crown Court with (wait for it)
possession of material that could be of use to terrorists and
cultivation of cannabis!!

seems anything the brothers in limerick can do, the belfast numbskulls can do better


disband cira/rira now, youse are a national embarrassment to the republican cause

by Badman Mon Sep 27, 2004 19:25

Well at least they're doing something useful. Aren't RSF the only group in Ireland to still proclaim the first dail as the only legitimate government of Ireland - the traditional and longstanding republican position? Doesn't this give them some legitimacy when they claim that they are the 'real' republicans, in contrast to the rest who have compromised their positions into accepting seats in partitionist parliaments?

by moonwolf Mon Sep 27, 2004 20:50

I suppose that could be used to substantiate the theory that prolonged use of psychotropic drugs leads to delusional states!!!

As for the fist Dail, what are you on about? The rightful ruler of Ireland is the Ard Ri, Come on lets get a campaign going for a restoration of the Irish monarcy, after all it precedes the "First Dail" (the result of an election organised by the Brits!!!)by at least 1000 years.

Anyway the essence of all the crap is that R.S.F refuses to recognise the right of the people to elect a parliment, and the right of that parliment to govern. Arrogance or what!

by Friend of Afri Mon Sep 27, 2004 22:52

I would refer people to an Afri publication "Death From A Distance: The Ongoing Militarisation of Ireland"(2004). In this report Afri exposes NUI Galway's work testing components for BAe Systems Airbus, the biggest arms manufacturer in the world. When the Afri researcher contacted NUIG to establish what the parts tested were to be used for , he was told that the college is not informed of this by BAe Systems (formerly British Aerospace).

There is no chance of RSF picketing this NUIG research centre over its ties to the British military industrial complex. Leading the research is a Dr Conchur O Bradaigh - son of Ruairi - and one of the main men in RSF in Galway.

by pat c Tue Sep 28, 2004 10:52

i suspect that badman was being satirical.

the first dail stuff is even more bizarre when you look into it. in 1938 the remaining (ie those who hadnt left for cummann na gael, ff, died) members of the first dail handed their "authority" over to the ira army council. they then formally dissolved the "first dail".

how then could one member of the first dail, general tom maguire claim to have the divine right to pass that "authority" over to the CIRA and RSF? it was an "authority" he had ceded decades before.

by Fitzgerald Tue Sep 28, 2004 13:18

Dílseacht,
Interesting name you have chosen, considering that
A) Dílseacht is a book by the great Ruairí Ó Brádaigh, and B) that a Provisional Sinn Féiner or supporter (as I assume you are) would know nothing about dílseacht, as evidenced in 1986.
The news reports that mentioned marajuana plants were misleading, and no doubt, intentionally so. They claimed that in a raid, which followed a crank call about a bomb en route to a police station (as if a warning would be given while it was en route!), that four people had been arrested for having weapons and explosives-making materials. Marajuana plants were also seized. If pot plants were seized at all, it was in some separate raid that day. Look at all the follow-up articles. NEVER is there any mention of marajuana plants. The reason is because these people were not in possession of any such plants. This is merely another media attempt to demonise True Republicans.
There is a philosophical link between RSF and the CIRA, but that is the extent of the "connection". Anyone who claims differently is talking out of his/her ass.
Furthermore, in is Provisional Sinn Féin that deviated course in 1986. Republican Sinn Féin (the proper Sinn Féin, founded in 1906 by Arthur Griffith) stood by it's tradition of abstentionism from partitionist governments. Provisional Sinn Féin are the ones who are the "dissidents". - But obviously, you put alot of stock in the infalability of the mainstream media, so you just go ahead and swallow what they feed you. We don't want or need you.

by Fitzgerald Tue Sep 28, 2004 13:22

Sinn Féin was founded in 1905, not 1906.

by Badman Tue Sep 28, 2004 14:19

Any response to the Afri charge, fitzer? While your stance on partitionist parliaments may be in line with 'traditional' (war of independence) republicanism, I'd hazard a guess that developing weapons systems for the brits probably isn't.

If it's true, it shows ye up as monumental hypocrites.

by An angry RSF member Tue Sep 28, 2004 20:03

Indeed it would. Have you anymore info on the matter?