Thatcher arrested for supporting Terrorism

by Richard Wed Jan 26, 2005 10:12 rik1999rik at yahoo dot com A Brazillian who grew up in Australia since 8 yrs old

Frankly there is only one solution , much like south africa was liberated with the help of the cubans i trust only them. I know some say im crazy but their system (dont be silly enought to belive the hype and call them outright commis) should be implemented. One of resistence to the fact that the truth about capitalism is that not everybody in their life time will own a ferrari. These people need food , health, education and security. Not be consumers by the numbers. Now i know what some british is going to say of this but is theres one country where the health system is the best for the pitence (remmember that this perticular country is still to this day in a trade embargo and now with no soviet help) is Cuba.

http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/43b/035.html

One country where the education of their country is a work to be envious is cuba. They ahve more then halved their literacy rate to be the best in the whole of south america.

If there is one country where they are led by someone who actually cares about their people is Cuba. Che Guerella was a doctor and Castro was Lawyer in a corrupt country.

They need their country to go back to them without the west. I red that theres so much wealth for such a tiny country that their wealth should surpass even Kuwait! Wheres all this money going ? The dictator , fed by US firms who in turn ripped the people off to start with.

http://www.afrol.com/articles/14884

In response , i think a coup should happen , by the people , guided by someone you can trust . Not Britain , not USA (they are worse then pond scum) and not even by south africa which you will notice were all white mercinaries.and millionaires wanting more)

Their heart is not in the right place and im happy they failed. A true revolutionist is driven by love , if that makes any sense.

by mise Sun Jan 23, 2005 03:18

On the one hand we've got Bush - that most celebrated idiot son of an asshole, now we've got this fucking moron trying to show that he's just a bad as Bush. Fuck me imagine if thatcher had succeded his mother!

by Rich Hall Sun Jan 23, 2005 01:32

So your way of helping the people of this country would be to replace a local dictator who exploits his people with a foreign puppet dictator who exploits his people...?

by Richard - Australia Sat Jan 22, 2005 15:17 rik1999rik at yahoo dot com

Yes they are all after the oil and trying to do a coup on a Equatorial Guinea for money . hiring mercinaries and the lot. They wouldnt be there if 10 or so years ago oil was discovered in the tiny nation. But the fact is the dictator there is ruthless and a monster! Sure the English want a puppet and want to exploit the people , much like the present dictaor and his friends ,, 21 of the 50 ministers are all direct family. But i say to the a coup would change things a little for the better as if the dictator stays in power too long he will build a army too strong. I hope one day i will go there and help the real people get the oil and their country back. They should all be in jail , exploiters and greedy men with blood on their hands , all of them.

by harry Mon Sep 13, 2004 02:47

News reports just coming show that Mr. Thatcher has just been released by the police!

by Hilaal Tue Sep 07, 2004 14:03

Exxon Mobil Corp., Amerada Hess Corp. and Marathon Oil Corp. -- along with ChevronTexaco Corp., Devon Energy Corp. and CMS Energy Corp., , Vanco Energy Co.

by Hilaal Thu Sep 02, 2004 11:31

Toronto Star

"Ex-PM Thatcher pays son's bail"

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1094034430766&call_pageid=968332188854&col=968350060724



London Independent

"How oil brought the dogs of war back to Malabo"

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/africa/story.jsp?story=557402



International Herald Tribune

"War and corruption keep Congo tottering "

http://www.iht.com/articles/536906.html

by mrvgvj Wed Sep 01, 2004 22:04

it's just it's all crap-
1. the charges against the C3 and Thatcher are not similar. Why did you link them?

2. And this site is NOT tolerant of terrorists. If it were then it would be filled with the terrorist statements and supporters. Everytime anyone tries to refer to a political situation with a "terror" element in it's problem, people like you start regurgitating stuff we've gone through a lot of times before.
And this regurgitation is a deliberate attempt to manipulate reader opinion. And it almost always includes the "FARC and Colombia 3" angle. I find this really annoying.

Man who needs visits and sup poena's from Agent Smith with reader/commentators like you?

by John Wed Sep 01, 2004 21:10

"Are you arguing that there has to be some sort of fake "balance" by the readers and writers on this site where they pretend that they like Mark Thatcher"



Look, for the 20th time, they don't have to LIKE Thatcher... (oh, read my earlier posts)

by John Wed Sep 01, 2004 21:07

"And that would probably be because Mark Thatcher is a right winger and the Columbia Three were associated with an organisation that some people consider to be left-wing. So why the surprise at the hostility shown to a right-winger by left-wingers?"

I'm happy we are in agreement. The adoption of left wing window dressing wins some organisations sympathy here as would the opposite ideology in other circles.

Well there goes the moral high ground, anyway.

I was hopeful that contrubutors might show equal hostility to those involved in murderous acts, regardless of political persuasion.

Well, I suppose FARC are left wing in the sense that they support a decent degree of government regulation in the economy - at least in sofar as they take all of value for themselves.

by R. Isible Wed Sep 01, 2004 20:26

QUOTE: "Mark Thatcher and the Columbia Three are suspected of similar offences. This site and newswire has a great deal of support of one, and a great deal of hostility towards the other."

And that would probably be because Mark Thatcher is a right winger and the Columbia Three were associated with an organisation that some people consider to be left-wing. So why the surprise at the hostility shown to a right-winger by left-wingers?

Are you arguing that there has to be some sort of fake "balance" by the readers and writers on this site where they pretend that they like Mark Thatcher?

I hope that "Lord" Archer is dragged into the prosecutions myself.

by John Wed Sep 01, 2004 20:00

My main point, which thusfar no one has challanged at all is:

Mark Thatcher and the Columbia Three are suspected of similar offences.

This site and newswire has a great deal of support of one, and a great deal of hostility towards the other.

I can't put it more simply than that.

And that childish, simplistic logic offered above has a lot more in common with gutter tabloids than anything I've said.

And by the way, there's a damn good reason why IRA members shouldn't be left outside the country without knowledge of the authorities.

And please, kokomero, do let me know what you think they were doing there? And if SF wanted to monitor the columbian peace process, surely they could have sent some less questionable people to do so? Or at least one "civilian" member? Perhaps?

And I assure you, the cat has not got my tounge, although I do have limited time in which to answer such Sinn Fein peddled claptrap.

by kokomero Wed Sep 01, 2004 19:31

why FARC were in need of lessons in terrorism then? What might 3 Republican has-beens who hadn't been active for years have had to offer them, all 3 of them, when FARC have 20,000 men to train up (according to you)? What exactly have FARC been up to for the past 40 years pray tell ... reading up on the theory and waiting for lessons from the Rah???

What's that ... cat got your tongue?

I suggest you leave the verdict on their guilt or the lack of it to the Colombian judges, assuming they're free to come to a decision based on the facts.

by John Wed Sep 01, 2004 19:09

"leftism is for poor people, right wing toryism is for wealthy people, who hate people."

Both left and right have plenty of extremists who hate people. My point all along is that this site is far too tolerant and supportive of extremists who share it's political leaning.

I've been criticised several times from gleaning my information from British media etc. I don't and never have. I read a wide variety of online and print sources. I'm sure none are perfectly accurate, but one attempts to form an opinion from reading as wide a variety of reportage as possible.

I would ask previous posters, WHERE would YOU suggest I get my information from? Please, I'm all ears. There's obviously some non-partisan source I'm not privy to. Please, share with me the location of this haven of unbiased accurate reporting that has thusfar eluded me.

by ZXBarcalow Wed Sep 01, 2004 13:13

Oh and I suppose Thatcher's plan was to put in a lovely democratic and pluralist government instead, that the people of the country would love...

Cos thats the kind of government his mother used to support... you know, like Pinochet, Apartheid South Africa and all those other popular democratic regimes.

by Sean Tue Aug 31, 2004 23:31

So if John doesn't get his brainwashing from the British media he must be one of the stooges who implement their will on this island.....i.e. ....our wonderful "military intelligence network". So where did the Lone Gunman go to?

by kokomero Tue Aug 31, 2004 16:08

FARC need no lessons in how to conduct a war from anybody least of all 3 guys who hadn't been active for a long time and would have little to offer in the case they had been there to do anything but observe what was going on in Colombia.

I challenge those who say otherwise to substantiate their claims to the contrary. Remember that repeating unfounded allegations from British Newspapers and other dubious sources does not constitute proof of anything other than the corruption of those same sources.

Stick to the facts please!

by John Tue Aug 31, 2004 13:41

Listen, I don't read The Sun, The News of the World, The Mirror of any of their ilk.

In fact, I've long suggested that their status as "newspapers" should be called into question by the advertising standards authority. Also, "oirish" variants of these papers are quite adept at spinning their own lines when it suits them to do so.

I do take on board some of your points, Peadar. Would you be kind enough to enlighten me as to what you think they were doing in columbia?

And there is plenty of information available on line from a wide variety of sources all over the world proving that FARC are murderous bastards not only with regard to the acts they perpetuate on their own populace but also from the substances which the import into the U.S. to fund their activities.

Perhaps Sinn Fein/IRA might suggest its members choose their company more carefully in future and so avoid this kind of confusion.

by Peadar Tue Aug 31, 2004 12:28

Moderately left wing means very little to the people of Colombia who are battling a government that receives the highest military funding from the US outside Israel.

The Colombia Three have been convicted of nothing. They were charged with having false passports and, you might note, all republican former POWs are forced to use false passports if they wish to travel abroad.

A lot of disinformation, since disproven, was peddled following their arrests, yet biased individuals such as yourself persist in believing what you read in The Oirish Sun. I wonder what you view on the Guildford Four or Birmingham Six was before they were released?

by John Tue Aug 31, 2004 11:51

"I wonder what tone Thatchers bunch of terrorists were going to take with the sleeping President and his family"

I wouldn't worry about offending any tender sensibilties there, somehow. Also, how do I come to be classified as right wing, exactly? I'm not for a moment advocating Thatcher's actions, simply drawing a few parallels worthy of note.

What tone do YOU suppose FARC took with those they kidnapped and assasinated? Are you more sympthetic to them because of their marxist leanings? Personally, I have no problems with tarring FARC, and (if proven) Thatcher and indeed the IRA (what tone did they take when the shot single mothers and teenagers in the back of the head whilst routinely knee-capping drug addicts?) with the same brush.

Tell me this, if one is to carry out terrorist actions is all that is nessicary to win your support a smidgin of marxist window dressing? I don't care if the acts are comitted by right or left, IRA, Western Governments or Mark Thatcher they are all still equally contemptable and should be argued against at every oppertunity. My sole motive behind drawing above parallels was to cite how certain persons here are all too willing to offer sympathy to those of a similar political leaning.

And for the record, I would happily classify myself as moderate left-wing and have no time whatsoever for the case of the Columbia Three. These brave men of Ireland seem to have found out they can't intimidate south american governments in the same way they would a teenage drug addict in Belfast. I'm sorry for them.

by John Tue Aug 31, 2004 11:27

"I am no leftie but I would help FARC myself if I could be of any use to them"

"Thomas", If you'd brains, you'd be dangerous.

by Thomas Mon Aug 30, 2004 23:32

Sorry if my tone upset you John. I wonder what tone Thatchers bunch of terrorists were going to take with the sleeping President and his family?

As for your view being differing, well it isn't. It is the same old stuffy conservative view pulped out of the British and American media for donkeys years. Boring "John" , that's what your view is.

I hate to disappoint you "John" but I am not a "leftie". I myself like to think of my viewpoint as "differing". I simply tell it as I see it and I don't care if that offends "lefties" or "right-wingers", like yourself.

I take your point that the three IRA men were associating with a leftish group but FARC are not engaged in the same sort of coup attempt as Thatchers incompetant, bumbling fascists (if we are to keep up the naming game). FARC are engaged more in what should be called a civil war within their own country with a bunch of "Right-Wing -Narco -Terrorists" , funded by the United States of America . In other words they are fighting against a "coup-by-proxy", orchestrated by bedfellows of the presesnt bunch of "thugs" languishing in Equatorial Guinean and Zimbabwean jails. As I said , I am no leftie but I would help FARC myself if I could be of any use to them. Anything is better thatn another gang of "Hitler men"!

by - Mon Aug 30, 2004 18:40

hmmm, that reminds me of how Maggie Thatcher was / is seen. Why it was very infectious wasn't it, even one of her police commisioners claimed to have a direct line to God in her day.

by John Mon Aug 30, 2004 18:24

Neither has the case against Mark Thatcher.

And the "columbia three" were IRA men in FARC-held territory and in possession of false passports, were they not?

How people can take vastly differing attitudes to two groups of people suspected of distinctly similar acts might suggest there is an element of bias at work here (!!!)

And the government of Columbia, whilst very far from perfect is a vastly more legitimate entity that that of Equatorial Guinea.

And whilst I don't doubt Thatcher is reciveing better treatment due to family etc, it is worth noting that the cause of the columbia three was advocated by many prominent Irish political figures.

Pot / Kettle, Kettle / Pot (etc)

by Freddy Mon Aug 30, 2004 14:43

John, the case against the 'Columbia Three' has not been established, yet you have convicted them already. That certainly shows where you are coming from.

by John Mon Aug 30, 2004 11:29

Thomas, must you resort kind of sarky self important more-left-wing-than-thou tone beloved of some contributers to this newswire? The kind of sneering attitude you and others take to legitimate, though difering opinions completely undermines any kind of reasonable discussion happening here. It's getting to the stage where publishing a story on this newswire will loose it all credibility. I'm not in the Irish military, but I fail to see how that would prevent someone from holding a valid opinion.

I never suggested that Tatcher would be about setting up any kind of "noble democracy".

Why do I have the distinct feeling that Thatcher and his "loyalists" plotting to overthrow a tinpot dictatorship cause you sufficiently more concern than three IRA men training nacro-terrorists attempting to overthrow the legitimate government of Columbia? Am I the olny one who notes a similarity here?

by Thomas Sun Aug 29, 2004 22:35

It is either the case that you listen to Equatorial Guinean radio and have seen for yourself the situation there or ............you have been listening to the stream of media lies emanating from those and the friends of those who organised and funded this failed coup attempt. i.e. British Business and Corporate types.

These merenaries have been responsible for numerous massacres and wars in Africa simply for money and not to establish any noble democracy. The majority of the South Africans arrested have an aparthide pedigree and Mr Manns company and Mr du Troit have been implicated in mass murder in Sierra Leone and other places. They have also been found to employ war criminals, some from Loyalist areas of Belfast, but that's another story.

You are soft in the head to believe the British media lies. Your not in the Irish military, are you? It would explain a lot.

by John Sun Aug 29, 2004 21:27

Obiang Nguema now leads one of the most corrupt, ethnocentric, oppressive and anti-democratic states in the world, according to most domestic and international observers. Equatorial Guinea is now essentially a single-party state, dominated by the President's "Partido Democrático de Guinea Ecuatorial," or Democratic Party of Equatorial Guinea. Of the members of the Chamber of People's Representatives, 85.5% are aligned with the PDGE. The opposition is severely hampered by the lack of a free press as a vehicle for their views.

Obiang Nguema was re-elected in December 2002. His government was slammed by the international community for running an election which was widely considered to be unfair and that was also boycotted by most of the opposition. In July 2003, state-operated radio declared that the president is a God who is "in permanent contact with the Almighty."

by Hilaal Sun Aug 29, 2004 09:40

SOUTH AFRICAN MERCINARIES AND IRAQ

Two of the mercenaries arrested in Zimbabwe with Simon Mann worked for the South African private security company Meteoric Tactical Solutions, owned by Festus van Rooyen. His security firm has won contract after contract in Iraq to provide bodyguards to diplomats, ministers and oil engineers, and to train Iraqi police. Now , however the South African government has decided that Meteoric Tactical Solutions should go out of business under the terms of its 1998 Foreign Military Assistance Act barring mercenary work.

Meteoric employee Louwtje Horn, and former Meteoric director for the Middle East, Harry Carlse were arrested on the tarmac of Harare international airport while trying to load their aircraft with an assortment of arms, including 150 hand grenades, 80 60mm mortar bombs, 100 RPG-7 antitank projectiles, 10 RPG-7 antitank launchers, 20 PKM light machine-guns with 30000 rounds of ammunition, pistols and 61 AK47 assault rifles with 45000 rounds of ammunition. The weapons had been purchased from the government-owned Zimbabwe Defence Industries by Mann and other British intelligence agents working inside Zimbabwe with the help of White "Farmers".

THE PLOT

From Harare the plane should have flown straight to Malabo and landed at 2.30am on Monday March 8, with Mann still in Harare keeping in touch with Du Toit in Malabo on his satellite phone. One mercenary team would secure the airport, while the rest would be driven into town with guides and vehicles provided by Du Toit.

While separate teams set up road blocks to prevent the military leaving their bases and moving into town, another group would capture Antonio Javier - a minister and Du Toit's business partner - who would guide them to the sleeping president. The president and his brother, Armagol, would then be taken to the airport and, "if not killed in this operation", would be flown to Spain.

The Eauatorial Guinean "opposition leader" in exile is Severo Moto He has been harboured and supported by the Spanish government in Madrid. He is also backed by London accountant Greg Wales. Moto had travelled on a South African-registered plane with Greg Wales to Mali, landing first in the Spanish Canary Islands. The plan was that 30 minutes after the coup had started, Moto would arrive in Malabo to assume power. However, when word arrived that the plane carrying the mercenaries had been arrested in Harare, Moto's plane returned to Canary Islands where he was briefly detained before flying back to Spain.

Spain at the time the mercenaries were arrested had warships stationed in the territorial waters of Equatorial Guinea under the pretext of defending the legitimate government of Equatorial Guinea.

The mercenaries had been offered US$1.8 million and oil rights to overthrow President Nguema. "King" Juan Carlos has stated that Spain is now ,"focusing it's attention on the continent in view of its enormous natural and human resources."

President Nguema's health has been causing jitters in the west as his successors are his feared half-brother and National Security Chief Armengol Nguema and the president's son, forestry minister Teodorin.

THATCHERS ROLE

According to the South African Police Service unit know as the "Scorpions", who arrested Thatcher, they have a very strong case against him and he was preparing to flee RSA to the US at the time of his capture . Thatcher channelled funds to Simon Mann through Air Ambulance Africa, aka, Triple A Aviation. Air Ambulance Africa provided the twin-engine King Air turboprop aircraft, which flew the exiled Equatorial Guinean opposition leader, Severo Moto, from Spain to Bamako in Mali.

The Scorpions are said to be planning to fly to London to interview Jeffrey Archer and other businessmen over the coup plot. Archer , accordion to SAPS, paid £74 000 (about R873 200) into a Guernsey bank account held by Mann just four days before Mann and the planeload of merry men were arrested in Zimbabwe. Archer a perjurer, former politician and friend of Mark and Maggie Thatcher, has stopped short of denying he paid the money, but insists he had "no prior knowledge" of any coup plot. He was once deputy chairman of the Conservative Party, headed by Maggie Thatcher. A SAPS detective said, "We don't care if it is Lord Archer or a lottery-winning road sweeper. We will hunt him down and have a serious chat and then, if we have the evidence, extradite him to face trial in South Africa."

Much of the Scorpions' information comes from a 24-year-old accountant and computer expert, James Kershaw, who will be a State witness in South Africa. Kershaw has been named in court by a number of the suspects on trial in Equatorial Guinea as one of the recruiters in the alleged coup attempt. He allegedly made a down payment of $90 000, and also allegedly gave last-minute instructions, by telephone, to the team. Kershaw decided to co-operate with the authorities after seeking legal advice.

by maggie the nazi Sun Aug 29, 2004 02:43

just like his mother but she got away with it

glad they caught him

hopefully more us and uk and big business organised coups will get foiled and rich guys put in jail

well done to zim and SA forces, at least they catch some baddies now and then

by paul c Sat Aug 28, 2004 22:49

so which despot was going to take over from this guy?

by Rghteous Pragmatist Sat Aug 28, 2004 22:47

President Brig. Gen. (Ret.) Teodoro OBIANG NGUEMA MBASOGO (since 3 August 1979 when he seized power in a military coup)

Elections: president elected by popular vote for a seven-year term;

Election last held 15 December 2002 (next to be held NA December 2009);

Prime minister and deputy prime ministers appointed by the president

Election results: Teodoro OBIANG NGUEMA MBASOGO reelected president;

Percent of vote - Teodoro OBIANG NGUEMA MBASOGO 97.1%, Celestino Bonifacio BACALE 2.2%; elections marred by widespread fraud

Is what Thatcher and Simon Mann were doing such a crime?
Do you like Mbasogo do you?
Anyone who gets "reelected" like he did is a dictator and his legitimacy is a joke.
He deserves to be overthrown.