Iraq handover of sovereignty completed

by Alpheus Fri Jul 02, 2004 04:04

From all of us, a big, big thank you.

by same diff Thu Jul 01, 2004 19:45

without the sanctions and with a different dictator and with thousands more people to add to the list of dead and dying.

As long as the place is run by oil hungry thieves, the people will get the crappy end of the stick.

by Dympna Thu Jul 01, 2004 19:40

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Ya wha Bernard?

the war was wrong because it was against the UN Security Council, contravened Iraqi sovereignty and was launched by the warmonger Bush.

Ah, hold on, sod the UN if they passed a resolution it would be just as wrong.

Iraqi sovereignty? What a high minded concept.

You seem to be forgetting as some people would like you to do that the war was wrong because it murdered thousands injured thousands more polluted the place with radiation (and hate - one of the worst toxins known to human kind) allowed the victors to install a puppet government that will install martial law at the first sign of a movement to secure independence from the US or shake off US control of Iraqi oil.

What's the game plan ... bury the dead and forget them ... tell everyone to play nice and pretend like everything is better now and if they fail to pretend remind them of how bad it gets.

by Gaillimhed Thu Jul 01, 2004 11:45

sorry crap link, you have to pay to read the article at The Independent,
if anyones interersted in reading it it can be found in its entirety at:
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/061804D.shtml

Imperialism today is no different from imperialism yesterday.
same motives, same tactics, same results.

by Gaillimhed Thu Jul 01, 2004 11:24

"First time Iraq has Been free".

Not quite T-bone, the first time was in 1917, when the Brits carried out an almost eerily identical handover of 'sovereignty' to a puppet government.
Did it work then?

from a piece buy robert fisk in the independent (UK)

Iraq, 1917
They came as liberators but were met by fierce resistance outside Baghdad. Humiliating treatment of prisoners and heavy-handed action in Najaf and Fallujah further alienated the local population. A planned handover of power proved unworkable. Britain's 1917 occupation of Iraq holds uncanny parallels with today - and if we want to know what will happen there next, we need only turn to our history books...

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/fisk/story.jsp?story=532136

by Maura Hannity Thu Jul 01, 2004 02:16

I think you are, you're taking the piss.

by Bernard Tue Jun 29, 2004 13:11

Even if Iraq becomes a peaceful democratic free society the war was wrong because it was against the UN Security Council, contravened Iraqi sovereignty and was launched by the warmonger Bush.

Saddam Hussein was a evil but he was put in power by the Americans.

It was up to the Iraqis to remove Saddam Hussein from power.
Even if they could not do it and needed American help they would be better off than be freed by the Americans - look what happened to Western Europe after it was freed from the Nazis- it became capitalist.
At least when Stalin freed Eastern Europe it had a chance to become a true communist society-( until outside imperialism by America forced Russian to build the Berlin Wall)

Iraq is tragically on its way to becoming a capitalist satelite of America
- I think that Iraqis would have been better off with Saddam.

by Bernard Tue Jun 29, 2004 13:10

Even if Iraq becomes a peaceful democratic free society the war was wrong because it was against the UN Security Council, contravened Iraqi sovereignty and was launched by the warmonger Bush.

Saddam Hussein was a evil but he was put in power by the Americans.

It was up to the Iraqis to remove Saddam Hussein from power.
Even if they could not do it and needed American help they would be better off than be freed by the Americans - look what happened to Western Europe after it was freed from the Nazis- it became capitalist.
At least when Stalin freed Eastern Europe it had a chance to become a true communist society-( until outside imperialism by America forced Russian to build the Berlin Wall)

Iraq is tragically on its way to becoming a capitalist satelite of America
- I think that Iraqis would have been better off with Saddam.

by George T-net - Central Intelligence Agency Tue Jun 29, 2004 09:49 Secret Location Virginia 001 252 435 2048 ext 284

Don't you want to be part of this great Freedom Drive? The new govenment needs all the help it can get.

Do you want to earn $2000 a week for being shot at in Iraq?

Don't tell anyone but we are recruiting now for any of you who would like to come to Iraq and kill (full immunity guarnteed) all those pesky "terrists" who don't agree with us.

Jes call the above number and ask for the "local recruiting officer", tell him you are interested in "overseas work" and we will send one of our guys based in the US Embassy Ballsbridge to check you out. It may be Lt Col John M O'Sullivan but if not you will have to do an interview with him later.

And when you are esecuted by the Resistance we won't even make it public!

And don't be put off by the pictures of a US marine being beheaded later today. Remember in Saudi Arabia our "Good friends" beheaded 53 people last year and y'all never raised a peep!

by Hilal Tue Jun 29, 2004 09:30

"Transfer of power to the guys we picked"

An interesting point is the present status of Saddam : he has not been charged with even a single murder. He is being housed in the lap of luxury in one of his old palaces and is surrounded by only loyal baathists from the Falluja and Tikrit region. So much for "running him out of Baghdad at the tip of a cattle-prod."

The US have no idea how to control even a small area of Iraq and they have been trying to gain some influence with former Saddam loyalists by pandering to his demands. The ole weasel has been ducking and dealing with the US devils since the Kurdish peshmerga sold/put him in a "spider hole" for the US to "discover".

Saddam expects to make a comeback in the "new Iraq". The US have led him to believe this in order to get his co-operation and to gain some peace in the "Sunni Triangle", which they could then sell to weak minded westerners as a military success.

Saddam still leads one of the biggest gangs in Iraq (not including the invading thieves) and the Pentagon and State Department are always pragmatic. Like they quietly deal with the KKK in Birmingham Alabama or the Roaring Sixties in South Central Los Angeles.

This new government and their US and British masters will be driven from Iraq by a coalition of Islamic groups and a brave people risen in the cause of their freedom. This is clear this morning as mortars rain down on the US administration building (Saddams palace).

Freedom for Iraq !

Death to the invading imperialist thieves and their stooges !

Onward to Victory!

Allahu Akbar!

by myself. long suffering the bad man, - still not worth killing him. Mon Jun 28, 2004 18:54

those 200,000 troops are now answerable to the United Nations and signed up to leave at the request of the state created today, which is not the state which the USA wanted to impose.

Power is not only how many soldiers you got.
Power is much more subtle than that.
There used to be a latin quote left around here ages ago, about defensive power being how what the american terms "networks" are used than the ability to shoot someone's head off, take photos and prove the deed.

Power is about the transfer of energy.

You got a lever, you got a fulcrum, dohh that's mechanics, powerful stuff mechanics, anyway, yeah right! you effin eeejit! the US soldiers are still there! the CIA are incharge! jajajajajaj! Quite right, who's in charge of the CIA? Quite. That changed as well didn't it.
Yep that was historic too. What did people say in teh comments?
JAJAJAJAJ the CIA are still there you eeejit.
an the next door neighbours Iran/Syria do they look as likely as being the next target now?
And why isn't the Isreali look alike flag flying? Let's bring you all through it from the beginning again will we?
Long Before the Latin Quotation-
"they can not prosecute their war".
which got the response-
"what does prosecute a war mean??? why you always obfuscating us????"

Today was historic bad man. A lot of work went into it. And the look on Blair's face when he realised it had come in early made it all the more historic. No one is saying Iraq is free, democratic or eating cheeseburgers. But the game has changed. & so too has popular feeling on the Kurdiiii ground.

ra ra ra Iraq. take your seat at the UN please.

by Falafel Mon Jun 28, 2004 16:24

Thank God for America. If it wasn't for the protection of the USA there would be Soviet tanks rolling through Galway this very day.

Connemara would be one huge nuclear bunker.

by Badman Mon Jun 28, 2004 15:04

Et Cetera, why do you write such unintelligible crap? I suspect it is to cover up the fact that your opinions are poorly thought out and you need obfuscation to give you a sense of significance. Your 'historic day' is bogus.

There is no sovereignty without power, power comes from force and in Iraq today the force comes from 200,000 US troops with all their space age weapons.

by % Mon Jun 28, 2004 15:01

17 Chiite.
9 Sunni
8 Kurd
1 turcoman
1 assyrian

elections in January 2005-

by et cetera Mon Jun 28, 2004 14:58

the CIA have revised a lot of their torture orders.
Iraq has been given it's self rule allbeit by CIA protegés.
The Iraqi state is still using it's old flag.
A Kurd shall be for the first time in history a member of the government.

This is a historic day.

The game of Chess is almost over.

The Wookie lives.

by t-bone Mon Jun 28, 2004 14:44

Well ofcourse USA have to keep close eye on young democracy and freedom in Iraq so that fascist islamic fundamentalists cannot take the power from the people. This is first time in history when Iraq is free. USA army and GWB have done a lot good in Iraq, the most important part giving hope to people, hope of better future. It says in the Korean war memorial that "freedom is never free". Some people think it is their born right to be free, but it is not. Without USA we would all live under communist or facist dictatorship. USA military went to Iraq, it cost a lot of money fot them. They put billions of dollars to bombs and they managed to free Iraqi people.

by Michael Mon Jun 28, 2004 14:35

All of them, even the foreign ones. There's no such thing as international law.

by Mon Jun 28, 2004 14:04

the U.S. are an occupying force in Iraq.

international law allows the people of an occupied country the right to attack the occupying forces.

so, under international law, those who carry out attacks on U.S. forces are not terrorists you fuckwit

by Corkie Mon Jun 28, 2004 13:59

The so-called handover of sovereignty is a stage show. All that has happened is that more power has been given to the puppet government. The strings are still in Bush's hands and the puppet is quite aware that he must do Bush's bidding or the occupying army will remove it.

Sovereignty My *rse