Anti-war gig at the point with Christy Moore and Damian Rice

by Mark Thomas Sat May 29, 2004 10:38

The SWP/IAWM out of sheer desperation, not having any support among grassroots whatsoever is trying to make money out of the anti-war movement. where will the money go? 30 euros is a lot of money especially if the musicians play for free.

by Dominic Carroll - Cork Anti-War Campaign / Clonakilty Against the War Sat May 29, 2004 13:16

The above posting is incorrect on two counts:
Though the IAWM is organising demonstrations during the Bush visit, it is not organising THE demonstrations. Anti-War Ireland has called a national demonstration at Shannon Airport on Friday 25th June at 7pm (assemble Shannon Town Centre), supported by amBush 2004. A second demonstration at Shannon has been called by amBush (supported by Anti-War Ireland) for Saturday 26th June, assembling at Bunratty at 12 noon.

Secondly, no demonstration has been called for Cork on Friday 25th June, as stated above. The Cork Ant-War Campaign is affiliated to Anti-War Ireland (not the IAWM, which does not exist in the city), and is supporting the demonstration at Shannon Airport on Friday at the very place and time of Bush’s arrival.

by Salah Sat May 29, 2004 13:44

after a posting which describes a fantastic opportunity for all people opposed to this brutal occupation (and that of Palestine) to come together productively.

People loose sight of our collective objectives.

I have no doubt the money will be put to great use within the IAWM, in a fair and creative way.

by David Sat May 29, 2004 13:47

From which to hold speeches.

by Why ? Sat May 29, 2004 14:30

Why is there always questions about the swp/iawm coffers.
Maybe the lone gunmen could explain where the money collected by the swp/iawm went?

by AWI-Supporter Sat May 29, 2004 15:55

The inaccuracies that Dominic Carroll pointed out have nothing to do with the coffers. They have to do with spurious claims regarding who is and who isn't affiliated with the IAWM. The fact of the matter is that most anti-war groups in the country have disaffiliated due to the fact that it became painfully clear that the IAWM was merely a platform for SWP members to gain publicity and for the SWP to try to gain new membership. So, while I am really happy that the concert is taking place as a two fingers to the Bush visit, I also am aware of the background to the scepticism people feel. The IAWM/SWP are not interested in effective protests that might actually send a genuine message of dissent. That's why they police marches so heavily. They have tried at every opportunity, from what I have seen, to symie what Anti-War Ireland has planned, even though Anti-War Ireland expressed a genuine interest in working with them. The petty way in which they have done this is remarkable: it includes suggesting to Anti-War Ireland that they have a monopoly in the name "Anti-War", much like Fox News complained to Al Franken that it had a trademark on the term "Fair and Balanced". The Anti-War Ireland organisers seem to take this all with a great good humour; it annoys me as someone on the margins more than it does them.

The claim that the march in Cork is an IAWM march when it's an AWI/CAWC one is just typical of the larger, more serious issues that exist. It is an out-and-out lie that people should make an effort to publicise. As a media worker who tries to report with integrity and an anti-war person, I have tried to support the IAWM. They have now lost my support.

by Fintan Lane - Anti-War Ireland/Cork Anti-War Campaign Sat May 29, 2004 17:09 corkantiwar at hotmail dot com 087 1258325

There is no protest planned for Cork city on Friday, June 25th. The Cork Anti-War Campaign is mobilising to send buses to Shannon to meet the warmonger-in-chief as he lands on Irish soil.

Secondly, the Cork Anti-War Campiagn is NOT a part of the IAWM, which we disaffiliated from some time back, primarily because of the way in which a national meeting was rigged by the Socialist Workers' Party. The SWP set up and now runs and controls the IAWM. They are a part of the diversity of the anti-war movement and we respect them as such. However, their undemocratic behaviour within the IAWM (and their rather odd hostility to protests at Shannon) made them impossible to work with.

At the time that CAWC disaffiliated, at least five members of the IAWM steering committee (Harry Browne, Fintan Lane, Tim Hourigan, Laurence Vize and Mick O'Sullivan) resigned in protest at the stranglehold the SWP operates and because of the lack of focus on Shannon. Another SC member, Kirsten Foy, had resigned at an earlier stage because she was also fed up with the direction of the IAWM. All those who resigned (except for Tim Hourigan who is a Green Party member) were non-party anti-war activists. I have no idea who is on the IAWM SC now (it seems to be a secret) but I suspect it is made up almost entirely of SWP members. Certainly, all of the officers are SWP members. It is a front and an alternative is badly needed.

Following the Cork disaffiliation and the resignations from the SC, the Clare-Limerick based Mid-West Alliance Against Military Aggression and the very active Fairview Against the War group similarly disaffiliated.

The Cork, Fairview, Clare, and Limerick activists subsequently joined up with the Kilkenny Anti-War Group, the Global Women's Strike, Clonakilty Against the War, and many others to form Anti-War Ireland.

Anti-War Ireland has the support of anti-war activists across the country and we are actively encouraging the formation (and re-formation) of anti-war groups. A Dublin Anti-War Group was recently formed under the auspices of Anti-War Ireland.

With regard to Shannon, Anti-War Ireland has called a demonstration for Friday evening, June 25, to assemble in Shannon town centre at 7pm. Our information (straight from the White House, via a reputable news agency) is that Bush will touch down at Shannon around 8pm. We will be there to meet him.

We are also working in conjunction with Ambush2004 (which comprises the Dublin, Cork and Galway Grassroots' Networks). They will be supporting the demo to meet Bush on the Friday night, and on Saturday we will conjointly organise a 'parade for peace' from Bunratty to Shannon. Lots of music, colour, etc. That will assemble in Bunratty at 12pm.

We are hoping for large turnouts at ALL the anti-Bush demonstrations on that weekend, but we are focused primarily on getting people to Shannon because we want him to face protests as soon as he lands in Ireland. Moreover, Shannon airport remains integrated into the US war machine and this protest will serve the twofold purpose of focusing attention on Irish complicity.

So, please, take that Friday off work (or take a half-day) and head for Shannon. Assembly time is 7pm at Shannon town centre. Let's make our voices heard as Bush lands on Irish soil!

by Fintan Lane - CAWC Sat May 29, 2004 17:29

There are, of course, actually-existing anti-Bush protests planned for Cork city.

12pm, Saturday, June 19th, assemble at Daunt Square for a march through the city. Called by the Cork Anti-War Campaign.

There may be a protest on Saturday, June 26th, but it's a case of watch this space.

CAWC is also organising a 'white ribbon day' which will involve hundreds of school kids physically creating the word 'peace' in Arabic. This will probably take place on the Lee Fields and the intention is to send a positive message to the Arab world and the United States prior to the arrival of Bush. Prof John Maguire of Anti-War Ireland has written a song for the event and the kids have already begun practising. More info later.

by iosaf Sat May 29, 2004 19:25

All the plans seem wonderful, it looks like whatever your tastes, age, background, geographical location, income, rant-slant you'll be able to find something to do when Bush (for us oddly the personal manifestation of WAR), comes to town.

You will join with others, change the nature of some space, public or private, have a laugh, make a point, and build a memory.
In short, you are all on the way to making a day of it.
:-)
For all his fine cloth, the emperor has not such an outfitting. I dream on with ye all.

by Anti-war activist Sat May 29, 2004 20:50

It should also be noted that the IAWM have no right to claim credit for work done in Galway. Some of us will be travelling to the Anti-War Ireland demo in Shannon on the Friday night. Those staying in Galway will be attending a march organised by the Galway Alliance Against the War. GAAW is an independent organisation and has no formal links with the IAWM.

I wish the IAWM would stop speaking as if they own other anti-war groups. As far as I know the IAWM is entirely a Dublin organisation and made up almost entirely of SWP members.

by Give peace a chance - Lennonist front Sun May 30, 2004 01:15 A field somewhere

Could I just congratulate Fintan, Dominic, and all others not involved in the IAWM (because its evil Lenninst front run by Sauron the Dark lord........ehh I mean the SWP) for the restrained and dignified way they are dealing with this news that a major concert and anti war event is been organised with absolutely no imput from them.

Their messages of support and solidarity for a sister anti war group are hearting indeed .

For all the rest of us may I suggest we keep calm and repeat as per the manual " there is no real anti war group but awi, thou shall not worship false anti war groups,The only legitamate spokesperson is the good doctor, ( with Domonic) ..........The swp are a police front.... they will go way.....Shannon is the epicentre of the universe....There is no anti war group but awi...

by Dominic Carroll - Clonakilty Against the War Sun May 30, 2004 13:21

Oh dear – somebody in the IAWM/SWP appears to be losing the run of themselves. For the record, please note the following:

To say that “a major concert and anti war event is been organised with absolutely no input from them” (myself and Fintan) is odd, given that Clonakilty Against the War (my local group) is actually affiliated to the very same IAWM. It seems that a faction within the IAWM is now claiming sole credit for IAWM initiatives, and one of its number stooping to offensive remarks aimed at other members/affiliates of the IAWM.

The sarcasm of the following statement is also misplaced: “Their messages of support and solidarity for a sister anti war group are heartening indeed”, given that Anti-War Ireland has met with the Stop Bush Campaign, the IAWM and PANA to discuss and collaborate on the forthcoming protests, and supports the demonstration in Dublin on Friday and the gig in the Point (a magnificent achievement, I might add).

Regarding spokespeople for Anti-War Ireland, I’m afraid our bitter friend in the IAWM/SWP should have taken the trouble to learn the facts. He/she imagines that “The only legitimate spokesperson is the good doctor, ( with Dominic)”. This is incorrect. I am not a spokesperson for Anti-War Ireland, though Fintan Lane (who, you will recall, spent 45 days in Limerick Prison for ant-war activities) is a spokesperson, as is Caoimhe Butterly (shot by the Israeli army in Palestine in 2003), and Tim Hourigan (a stalwart in the anti-war movement and former member of the IAWM steering committee).

Our self-styled champion of the IAWM/SWP concludes his/her remarks with a sarcastic mantra: “There is no anti-war group but AWI”. Though it is self-evident that the controlling faction within the IAWM (the SWP) has steadfastly refused to acknowledge the legitimacy of anti-war groups who have declined to endorse the IAWM (Anti-War Ireland, Grassroots Network Against War, Ambush 2004, Pitstop Plougshares, Gluaiseacht, Global Women’s Strike, and many non-aligned local anti-war groups), Anti-War Ireland has not gone down that sectarian cul-de-sac. We recognise and applaud the magnificent campaigning work of the Irish Anti-War Movement over several years, and commend those individuals (including members of the SWP) within it for their hard work and dedication. Unfortunately, the potential of the IAWM has yet to be realised due to the stranglehold maintained by the SWP through structures and practises that are not only undemocratic, but actually anti-democratic. The IAWM has been pressed into the service of the SWP when, of course, it should be the other way round. The efforts of non-SWP people within the IAWM to remedy the situation were thwarted by the SWP, prompting several resignations from the IAWM, the disaffiliation of several groups, and the formation of Anti-War Ireland, a democratic, non-self-serving, network of (actually functioning) anti-war groups.

by Jane Sun May 30, 2004 23:56

Sounds like a good concert and I'm glad it's happening. However, I want my money to go to the anti-war movement, not the SWP. I'm not handing over money to the SWP. Is there some way we can pay our money and ask that it be donated to a specific anti-war organisation like the NGO Peace Aliance or Anti-War Ireland?

by Anon Mon May 31, 2004 16:18

Hey, just checked the IAWM-SWP website and noticed that the corrections posted by the CAWC activists about the so-called demo in Cork on Friday 25th June have been deleted, erased, expunged.

So the IAWM-SWP is going to continue lying about a demo in Cork?

by Anti War Activist Tue Jun 01, 2004 19:45

Sounds like a great idea this gig- I'm definitely up for it. I think it'll be a great way to get things going in the week leading up to Bush's visit.
30 euro is fine. I don't see the problem. 30 euro for Christy Moore, Revs, etc, etc...
Sound to me like a bunch of begrudgers or coppers stirring shit.
Good luck to all anti war activists in the coming while. Ignore the crap infighting. See you on the streets.

by IAWM Dublin Member Wed Jun 02, 2004 11:28

Firstly I think it’s a good gig with Christie Moore, Damien Rice, this appealing to general public who may not normally get involved in street politics a chance to say that they are against the war while going to gig that they enjoy. Someone said above said that there is no support from Grass Roots, which is fair enough I think there is also ideological differences there as well as everything else and SWP are bit more prominent than I would like but the IAWM is only one of the group that is supporting the concert Protest. Both are being supported and organised by the Stop Bush Coalition which comprise of Trade Unions, NGO Peace Alliance, AFRI, Labour, Sinn Féin, the Green Party just to name a few so there is broad support, I don’t see why Grass Roots cant join this alliance.

The only way that we are going to have large amount of people out ont the streets is to insure that we have a broad alliance and build a movement with people from different political belifes, but can unite behind this one issue.

by pc Sat Jun 05, 2004 19:04

i think its a good line up,

quite consistent aswell i presume the guys name i don't recognise is a african musican?

i remember i went to a wee night for uaneen although i hardly viewed/listened it her....it was simpy a good line up and i reckon you''ll get loads of whelans type people going

DOORS 5:30PM - 11PM

5:30 the quite early just from a gig viewpoint?

33e ain't a bad price either just had a look on ticketmaster doens't seem to be any other gigs less then 40e

i do have doubts about how the money's used though...

of course micahel moore got some criticism for using ticketbastard when he came over, although perhaps you can't use any other palce with the point.

is there anywhere else you can buy your tickets before hand? save ont he booking fee atleasts

by Ciaron - Pit Stop Ploughshares Mon Jun 07, 2004 12:12

Shannon may not be the epicenter of the universe, but it is where the rubber hits the road for the U.S. war machine in Ireland. IAWM strategy (of avoiding and arguing against resistance at Shannon) has been a rubber of another sort. The epicentre of startegy to have masses of people marching in the streets in the streets of Dublin was exhausted on Feb 14 2003

When you got them on Feb 14 you didn't know what to do with them. Time to move from protest to nonviolent resistance. Resist or be in pro-active solidarity who are resisting eg. Mary Kelly on trial June 15

otherwise this kind of politics is purely therapeutic. "You have your protest as long as we can have our war!" Co-dependency No More!

by re tickets Thu Jun 10, 2004 20:26

Also from CTB at Liberty Hall, Dublin. Ph: 01 8721122 www.libertythall.ie

by pc Wed Jun 16, 2004 16:21

got word that the gig has been moved to vicar street...

obviously not selling tickets which is unfortunate cos most people don't know or care about who organising it...

sure vicar street is a better venue...

by Ego spotter Wed Jun 16, 2004 16:42

Ciaron, so busy thinking about yourself you got the date wrong...demo was on February 15th not 14th. Grow up your too self obsessed.

by Gig guide Wed Jun 16, 2004 16:48

As far as I know the gig was not selling enough tickets (very unfortunate) cos most people didn't know about it as a result of the Brodacasting Commission of Ireland (BCI)ban on advertising the gig on the radio because they said it was political.
Pity but best of luck with the gig anyway, I'd love to have got tickets.

by pc Wed Jun 16, 2004 16:55

this was a christy moore gig et al when do those guys need advertising , they have great grapevines...

and they load of colourful posters round town

and the ban by the admittedly heavy handed and dodgy bci was because they registered the stopbush campaign as a political party for the elections in order to advertise it and then it back fired when it came to radio....

by Observer Wed Jun 16, 2004 17:02

"the ban by the admittedly heavy handed and dodgy bci was because they registered the stopbush campaign as a political party for the elections in order to advertise it and then it back fired when it came to radio...."
Sorry but I have to correct you there pc, because the gig is organised by the iawm not the Stop Bush Campaign.
Oh and no matter what grapevines Christy Moore or others have, it would take more than that and a few posters in town to sell over 8,000 tickets to a gig.
Fair play to concert organisers anyway-they're giving it a go anyway.

by Ciaron Thu Jun 17, 2004 00:33

Sorry dud didn't have a calender in my Limerick prison Cell in February last year. F14/F15/Fwhatever!

How you relate ego to vague memory of an event I couldn't make due to incarceration is anyone's guess. But the ol' colonised Irish chestnut of begrudgery and collective mediocrity will have to suffice in the absence of any rationalle from you.

I'm going to the gig on Satyrday wherever it is. Sounds like a good line up. The "rubber" reference in my post from last week related to a contraceptive metaphor of a resistance movement being short circuited at the point of conception let alone being born. "Those who aren't being born are busy dying dud!" Dylan

by Mike Thu Jun 17, 2004 08:37

the iawm/swp is so unpopular they could even bring the rolling stones people would be disinclined to attend an event they organise

by David Thu Jun 17, 2004 11:38

Dislocating poor mundy.
Vicar Street holds about 1500 people compared to 8000 at the point.

Nobody turned up to the IAWM mayday carnival and they don't seem to want to support them in the point depot either.

Damien rice and Christy Moore have an anti-war single out at the moment, profits probably go to the IAWM, chart position will probably be somewhere in the mid hundreds.

by Cheka Thu Jun 17, 2004 11:59

David knows well that several thousand attended the Mayday Carnival. Easily more than attended the march to the Navan Road. It says somethong about some of the DGN that they would like to see an Anti War eveny flop. I suppose David is busy refurbishing his ski mask and black jumpsuit for Shannon.

by David Thu Jun 17, 2004 12:08

Why should I support the IAWM in their attempts to screw the Irish Peace movement?

they have done everything they could think of to sabbotage AWI and DGN.

The money from the Gig will go into the SWP coffers. (they'll pobably say they're repaying loans made to the IAWM, as if they were two seperate organisations)

by Curious Thu Jun 17, 2004 13:20

According to an article in the IT 'breaking news' section they state that a 'Sinneid Ní Bhroin' is the secretary of the IAWM. I thought it was Colm Stephens.
Where's he gone? Did the steering committee vote on the change? Did the steering committee vote on registering as a political party? It's a bit rich to claim censorship when you didn't have the foresight to realise what affect it would have on advertising.
Well done the IAWM steering committee -turkeys voting for Christmas.

by George Bush Thu Jun 17, 2004 14:21

So, what if Bush is elected out in November?
What will you have to campagin against then?
You will have a lot of money in the bank from your pollitical concerts, one is guessing that it will go towards some other useless lost cause or to ram your politics down someone elses throat!

Get a life, you pathetic extremists, try going out and putting your money where your mouth is and go these warzones you pretend to be concerned about and try helping out the people you claim to be concerned about, instead of standing around like the pathetic twats you are from the safety of your comfortable pedastal telling everyone what is right and what is wrong.

by Meabh Thu Jun 17, 2004 15:05

Hi - was looking for tickets on Ticketmaster yesterday and was surprised to see they were all sold out - apparently the gig has been moved to Vicar Street as the IAWM were afraid they could not fill the Point Depot. According to Kieran O'Sullivan from IAWM the Broadcasting Commission of Ireland has banned all radio advertisements for the gig, and apparently people putting up posters for it have had their names taken by the Gardaí etc.,
It seems freedom of speech and the right to a peaceful protest is alive and well in Dublin.....

by conor (wsm personal capacity) Thu Jun 17, 2004 15:48

cheka says David knows well that several thousand attended the Mayday Carnival. Easily more than attended the march to the Navan Road. It says somethong about some of the DGN that they would like to see an Anti War eveny flop................


me: God I hate to get involved in this sorta shit but the above is factually completely wrong as I’m sure the poster is well aware!

Anyway the march to Farmleigh had about 3000 on it at the start (see detailed reports in indymedia) The Concert at the park gates had about 1500. Not that it matters they were both excellent events – I was at both of em on the day.

As far as the gig is concerned its now TWO NIGHTs in Vicar street that’s Saturday and Sunday. I think almost all the money will be going into SWP coffers but I would be delighted if the IAWM were to publish some accounts and prove me wrong!

I mean this genuinely not in a sniping or sectarian manner

As far as the broadcasting permission banning it – I’d love to know on what grounds I’d say the IAWM would be in a good case to take a civil challenge when the dust dies down

Conor (WSM personal capacity)

by lisa low Thu Jun 17, 2004 16:24

What would be wrong with doing a free gig at the shannon peace camp for the people who are really trying to make a difference ...

by Auntie War Thu Jun 17, 2004 17:15

GREAT IDEA- GREAT LINE_UP
Good luck to all involved with the anti war gigs. Hope they go off well. Irish muscians againts war- fantastic!

by Coilin OhAiseadha - Aa-Tchoo Media Consultants Thu Jun 17, 2004 22:10 peacemail at danirak dot dk http://www.swans.com/library/art10/iraq/nagy.html 086-0603818

While I definitely support the move to demonstrate at Shannon, I think it might be wise to consider the possibility that Mr. "Choose Your Friends Carefully" Gee Dubya Shrub might actually land somewhere else, such as Baldonnel.

As everybody should know all too well by now, the forces of darkness are fully capable of issuing misleading press releases. And, in fact, if I were the Lord of Darkness himself, I would request my security staff to issue a press release stating that I was definitely going to land at Airport S, to generate rumours that I was going to land at Airport B and to ensure that I actually landed totally out of the blue at Airport D.

Perhaps there should be mini-demonstrations to cover likely alternatives? Is anybody monitoring the other airports for signs of preparations for alternative plans?

Love and sunshine,
Coilin OhAiseadha.


PS: Warm regards to old friends such as Fintan and Dominic, who will be pleasantly surprised to know that I have just moved back to Ireland and perhaps even more surprised that I didn't leave Denmark without participating in an anti-war campaign that totally rocked.

This campaign ultimately led to the emergence of a Danish whistleblower and the resignation of the Minister of Defence - really a very dissatisfying outcome, a bit like winning a Bronze Medal in the Olympics. Fortunately, good people are still going after that Silver and Gold, and I reckon their chances are good. :)

See you at one demo or another soon.

by windsock iosaf up there with the biggles crew. - (i cracked up at the news of the Brit helicopter taking off the top of a garden tree BTW) Thu Jun 17, 2004 22:17

can't accomodate Air Force One.
or Air Force Two. or the not often seen except on Chinese visits Air Force Three.
(AF3 carried water. that's all. they wouldn't trust the Chinese to give them water that wasn't dodgy, so they flew in thier whole supply of bottled water doesn't that say a lot?)
I'm off on a tangent now-
I mean man, lads, lassies, grrrrrlies of Erron,
how the F can you go shake hands with someone, and say "we are building trust, and a new relationship and look forward to a century of investment and co-operation" -
if you wont even drink their water?
Dim Sum cool.
we've an antidote for Dim Sum. But we're not taking that dodgywater, how much arsenic is in it?
none????
no way man, we're american.
with a capital A.

by Coilin OhAiseadha Thu Jun 17, 2004 22:27 peacemail at danirak dot dk http://www.sacbee.com/content/opinion/story/9316830p-10241546c.html

George Bush has paid us the dubious - or do I mean Dubyous? - honour of making this anonymous contribution:
> Get a life, you pathetic extremists, try going
> out and putting your money where your
> mouth is and go these warzones you
> pretend to be concerned about and try
> helping out the people you claim to be
> concerned about,

Try talking to Scott Ritter, Stan Goff, Paul Rockwell or Caoimhe Butterly about this? Because unlike you, Georgie boy, all these people have been to the war zones and came back to protest.

> instead of standing
> around like the pathetic twats you are from
> the safety of your comfortable pedastal
> telling everyone what is right and what is
> wrong.

Have you ever noticed that, when you point your finger, you've got three fingers pointing right back at you?

Lighten up, George! Give up your evil ways and come to the party.

Love and sunshine,
Coilin.

by ad on rte Fri Jun 18, 2004 14:00

yo ucan hear the ad on marian finuance archives on the rte website bout 30 mins in

and discussion

by dunk Fri Jun 18, 2004 14:46

was point now vicar st.
some censorship issues arose

gig on sun also without christy
perhaps someone else can expand on this

by Indymedia Ireland Editorial Group - Indymedia Ireland Fri Jun 18, 2004 22:29

See the URL below for IAWM notice

by Labour Member - As Above Mon Jun 21, 2004 12:03

Just like to say well done for a great gig on Sat. Well done to IAWM!

by pc Thu Jul 01, 2004 16:21

didn't see many of these around so went looking, hard to go past the namesake capitol steps and there antiwar humour cds?

from a damien rice fansite message board
http://www.eskimofriends.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4535&PN=1

more to come

by Labour Lover - Labour Party hater Thu Jul 01, 2004 16:46

"Just like to say well done for a great gig on Sat. Well done to IAWM!"

So why don't you affiliate then?

by Doubting Thomas Thu Jul 01, 2004 17:19

Many sincere peaceniks will have paid into the gig believing that the profits went to a good cause. Are published accounts available to vindidate this optimism?

I think we should be told, lest anyone think ill of the SWP.

by pacifist Thu Jul 01, 2004 17:57

How can this man be taken seriously as an anti-war protestor when he supported the IRA's sectarian war against the protestant working class for 30 years?

by Doubting Thomas Thu Jul 01, 2004 18:40

Christy Moore's sympathy with the nationalist murder gang that now represents us in the European Parliament (the shame is unbearable) is the reason I could not bring myself to attend the gig.

Now, where are those accounts? I trust the SWP about as much as I like the provos.

by curious Thu Jul 01, 2004 18:44

nd he supported protests angainst "torture" and "repression" here when socialists were talking about Nicaragua and othe places like that. He's scum. Doubting Thomas you are right to be ashamed.