Facts vs Facts

by Karl Sun May 02, 2004 23:36

Good honest non sensationalised story and another thing just for the record not everyone who masked up caused violence,some of us just dont like are faces in police files.

by Sean C Mon May 03, 2004 01:45

Indeed, well done.

>some of us just dont like are faces in police files.

Like you weren't being photographed from discrete distance or pinhole camera the second the mask came off :-)

by hooded idiot Mon May 03, 2004 02:59

yea.....cos everyone knows that water cannons are useless against fire!

even if it was molotovs, that wouldn't present much of a threat to the scum with their armour, shields, etc., and certainly wouldn't justify the way some of them were acting

by kino Mon May 03, 2004 08:27

mate, fire can do a lot of damage to someone's face quite quickly, especially when it's soaked in petrol.

by dunk - fuspey Mon May 03, 2004 14:25 fuspey at yahoo dot co dot uk

that is me in ornage wig dancing a "lusca" at front line because i was so cold after drenching from cannon- above image 'ooh these bricks are too heavy!'

"non violent action for better world" was the placard i wore around my neck, orange wig on my head, and my tux
i got dressed up for the occasion
to democratically demonstrate against the direction the EU is going
-neoliberalism
-militirism
-fortress europe

i have spent the last few weeks with a lot of lovely, creative, peaceful, strong people.

i was at front line for a long time
some black block were throwing stuff, kicking etc. i oppose this- they do not protest for me
i did what i could to end violence
"no threat, non violent" i repeated to my riot cop who smashed into me for no reason
the guy beside me was struck on the head and fell- he too was non violent
i made an issue of this guy, and got imc vid headz to document it,
asked him did he want to hurt me- he gave me a very frightening stare and tapped his shield- as i read it "yes i am going to hurt you bad-hippy" i made a exageraated dramatic issue of how we were engaged in absolute non vioence- ahimsa- and yet they wanted to hurt us
the cannon drenched us- my placard was fired off- i think at one stage he was going for me as i was a threat with my color, as opposed to the black bloc (group who mostly all in black and faces covered) i was in orange wig and face on show- expressing individual care and use of non-violence.
things heated up and many people were struck- the cops went over the top when we turned our backs on them and made the front line an absolutely non violent non confrontational line with arms interlinked - we spanne d the width of the road and walked away from them as they pushed us on- they sped up and began to
reach- smack- grab!!
when arms reach away from the cops they struck directly on peoples skulls (supposed to be left as last resort)when demonstrator fell the police riot line walked over, with some kicks and line 2 took away
we tried to pick up our friends as best we could- lifting up friends who were bleeding dark red blood down their face and did not know where they were is frightening- non sure how they are- a lot of people are shook up and were crying

got into town and went for a pint- got text from family at home who watched me live on sky news- they hoped i was not arrested or hurt- i was lucky- others were not

bottom line
some engaged in violence
most did not
i did what i could to persuade them to stop- ie premier mans last puc
cops were over the top
what mattered for them was to get the pr shot of cannon and agro cops- who can beat of these activists
this is the proof that george bush wants
we will oppose his visit- we will tell the truth- more are finding out, more are joining us- we are winning

who does not want a fun, sustainable, peaceful, existence

it is a war of information
we are challenging apathy- today most dont care
we act and have a beatiful creative existence- it is spirit it is full
humans desire happiness, apathetic people today see our actions- hear what we are about and are joining us
its about being ALIVE

this is from my personal account to EASA network
http://easa.antville.org/stories/756655/#775774

by someone Mon May 03, 2004 14:43

where were the wombles?

WOMBLES are the White Overall movement

where in any of the pictures was anyone padded up?

are you refering to the blac block style of some protestors as 'wombles'

by iosaf - never been rewarded enough for anything I did, and can I publish it? - NO. Mon May 03, 2004 16:25

Lovely sentiments in the statement.
You really did your best, didn't you?

Now you know full well that the vast majority of the social movements and collectives in Ireland are pacifists and you have been through them and us, with a fine comb for so long, you can tell the difference between bluster and words and reality.

What is going to be your "post-mortem" analysis?

by publo Mon May 03, 2004 16:27

we can get the protests "right" if more people get involved in the organisation. there were public meeeetings before mayday and there will be more beffore bushs visit. come along and have your say and contribute.

by redjade Tue May 04, 2004 20:08

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by Ed Lee - NUJ/BA2's of Griff Wed May 05, 2004 00:41

Just curious, why did you use my article??
And were there others used? On which streets?
And what where's the 3 other pics i took?
I know, i'm fussy.

by redjade Wed May 05, 2004 12:09

I took the photos as a favour to mr fupsey.

He can explain his motivation himself, but personally I like it when people print out newswire debates and share them in a public setting.

The only difference between this instance and others is that I took photos of the event.

by dunk - fuspey Wed May 05, 2004 14:34

for me its a "war" on 2 fronts
1-todays unfair global systems
2-info war, massive public lack of awareness of issues and the apathy

so attempting to be creative and getting the word out is the key, getting more people aware and involved?

as indymedia is open public system i printed off stuff to post on walls- 2 pix your article and mine only- for clarity

then wrote
www.indymedia.ie
log on, find out the truth, add your views

checked last night and stuff still up
who knows how many people have read it

by Ed Lee - NUJ/BA2's of Griff Wed May 05, 2004 18:19

Didn't see it in Moore Street today!
Ya think with so many foreigners in Moore Street they'd read such stuff! lol

by . Wed May 05, 2004 21:20

removed it to discredit the indymedia ireland collective.
Is this not proof enough of their sinister intent?

by Ed Lee - NUJ/BA2's of Griff Wed May 05, 2004 21:47

How'd you know it was a Womble?

Ah yes Dunk I remember you well mate, i was right opposite you on the wall filming you as you were verbally aggravating the riot police. Recorded every word you said haha.

by dunk Wed May 05, 2004 21:53

dont worry lads
there will be far more postings up around the city

OPEN communication networks: using real and virtual together, hand in hand. both the info content and the real physical networks of people
PARTICIPATION- acts to get more aware and discussing, or at least seeing and questioning- all can get invovled- diversity is healthier

easy to generalise this movement as is done today.
but when there is a better balance with different looking people through increased diversity: the black block beside, say, the "concerned businessmen in suits" to irish chinese cultural group to clowns for peace to gardai for positive change to dublins "radical grannies"..... then this movement will be accelerating at an even healthier pace and direction.

many views, many looks, many colors- much action by more to attempt to see a better world.

its only early days, but already its rocking

there is no need for violence on our part- humour is a far stronger device

by dunk Sat May 08, 2004 09:54

Ed Lee, did you have camera or film camera or sound recording device?
do you have footage of when that arm linked, back turned line was made?

anyone have details, or know where i can find them, of the "media walls" they used have, i think in china, whereby the single paper would be pasted on, the community came and read it and discussed with itself the content etc.
im trying to find images of this and it is proving difficult
dunk

by Ed Lee - NUJ/BA2's of Griff Sat May 08, 2004 11:31

I had a camcorder with me.
But i'm not too clear on what footage you're looking for..
Please clarify, cheers.

by dunk Sat May 08, 2004 11:48

when we turned our backs on them and made the front line an absolutely non violent non confrontational line with arms interlinked - we spanned the width of the road and walked away from them as they pushed us on- they sped up and began to
reach- smack- grab!!

a second line also formed infront of us.
our line did last for some minutes untill too many people were being hit

arms interlinked, facing away from cops back toward town.
this was also the time when the clear zone between cops and protest line was hugley reduced from 10 metres to 1 metre. they also sped up their march into us, intimidation or need for arrests?

by Ed Lee - NUJ/BA2's of Griff Sat May 08, 2004 14:05

I do have some arm-linked footage yeah, and some of the people who just sat down. But i was zooming in and out all over the place so it's not too consistent.
I'll just piece together the footage i have...
Can I send a file to Chekov or some of the editors again so they can put it up here?? I'll keep it under 10 MB.

by pc Wed May 19, 2004 22:18

this footage ever appeared would love to see it

by ewan Sat May 22, 2004 22:58

can't these idiots do something usefull with theit life?

by dunk Sun May 23, 2004 13:03

re "theses idiots", ewan im presuming your referring to me. im happy that im doing something useful with my life, building buidings, using art to communicate, involved with 2 most progressive systems on planet

come down and see the indymedia stuff in the art gallery
http://www.indymedia.ie/newswire.php?story_id=65045#comment75829
or come down to the spekers square
http://freespeech.community.ie/

and we will have a chat there

dont imagine we will see you
as imagine your just a troll
if not please share the light, share your ideas as to how we might do "something useful"

as for me im loving life, doing things with lovely, creative, funny beautiful people.
and yourself?..........

by the way this article is in art gallery, was on the streets yesterday and will be so again today

communication is the key

by dunk - fuspey, indymedia, easa, dublin social forum Wed Jul 28, 2004 11:23 http://www.geocities.com/fuspey/

hi lads
dunk here in lille
peut etre la plus interessant chose dans tous la monde
(perhaps the most interesting thing in all the world)
FUSPEY film just shown; phantom fm on now

there is an indymedia node here in lille; so i am here connecting the networks; EASA, indymedia, la monde, the people of Roubaix

more later
in about 2 days time i am hoping to put on a public screening of indymedia material including mayday 04; followed by open public forum with and for the people of roubaix; the open exhibition has also begun; some subverts are alredy appearing, some derelict buildings might be turned into communication spaces, nicarqgua people are here; muralismo

also IFSO stuff has been given to the eauipe frqncais; so GNU and LINUX systems are go; more workshops will follow; hopefully all 400+ people will recieve free software and distribute by copyleft philosophy

the 30 foot container is outside in the street; the lads from clare and carlow have the angle grinders and paint and booze, so the irish bar will be up and running soon
"the old ways are going........" sang luke

sorry if this is somewhat chaotic, it is part of "wandering workshop"

indymedia is one of the most progressive networks that IS changing the way the world is running
thanks to all involved

(there will be TAO readings in the streets of lille today; along with screenings from a trolly, cardboard TV. radio bits, muraLILLEismo, acting the bollix)

can someone please inform richard boyd barret re this and others.....

bottom line is this
it is great and important for all to take action against that which is wrong
it is easy to be ANTI stuff (wto, bush regime, nazi, fascist)
but perhaps it is harder to be FOR things,

alex gave me a few key ingrediants, we made the NETWORK PORTAL at 8.30 this morning, after fuck all sleep due to song singing with romania and palinka, similar to puiteen

hopefully paraply pdfs will be online soon

the global network project is known as la "pourquai pas" (why not) here in france, as of yesterday

anyway, links, clear reporting, imqges to follow. this is report from front line
perhaps near fm might be able broadcast the forum; if we make the necessary tek connections, where indymediq comes in)

so
being FOR things

we are FOR fun, sustainable, peaceful, existence

creativity and fun are the key to it, when there is no line between APCWPP
art, political, cultural, work, play, party

this is all OPEN, join us, help us, PARTICIPATE

hazy, spontaneous manifesto/ report ends.

by dunk Wed Jul 28, 2004 11:54

heavy palinka manifesto

heavy palinka manifesto

by alper TR - EASA Wed Jul 28, 2004 12:30

i am alper from turkey, now in lille with dunk in our wandering workshop. i looked the site some and i read dunk's post. it is so nice to see people thinking like you miles away AGAINST (or) FOR something. Be sure that we can feel these problems more painfully because of our economical and social situation in my country. we need you, go on!