Elected Official Demoted...for smoking in a bar.

by Brian Fri Apr 02, 2004 12:05

who gives a shit!

by I Mac D. Fri Apr 02, 2004 15:14

So is it odd,
that a drug addict,
should be punished
and be seen to be what he is
a representative of drug addicts?

There is no smoke without fire it is true,
and now we must ask these "pro-Coke" lobbyists to respect the Laws of our Land or in the charming words of certain "say how it is" Catalans and Spaniards and Europeans:-
Que Se Vayan Todos!
oh that they might all "f" off,
the hypocrites.

by Dail-bar-insider Fri Apr 02, 2004 15:47

He's still a TD, it wasn't the people that elected him into the position of FG spokesperson on Justice it was Enda Kenny. If Enda Kenny wants to remove him, who cares?

Anyway the smoking wasn't the real reason, the real reason was because he has been publically speaking out against FG's line on the Racist referendum. He is enthusiastically in favour of it, which is not surprising as it was Deasy that proposed that all Travellers shoudl be electronically tagged.

by Gaillimhed Fri Apr 02, 2004 16:23

But if it was one of your workers in arms sacked from his working class job for having a sneaky fag on the first day of the ban,
the reaction in certain quarters would be far different
dont give a shit on principle or prejudice?

by dail-bar-insider Fri Apr 02, 2004 16:30

The guy was sacked for being a ravvid racist, NOT for having a sneaky fag. Everybody knows this. Smoking is the excuse FG are giving for his sacking, it suits all parties involved.

by grow up Fri Apr 02, 2004 16:43

i've seen some very tenuous lines of 'argument' on this site on this site in the past but arguing that because Mr. Deasy smokes he is a racist? That's a new one on me. No logic there, but not a lot of logic to a lot said on this site.

For the record. Politicians should uphold the law, and therefore Kenny was right to sack him. I thought ye crowd wanted politicians to obey laws. ye never stop ranting about Lowry, Haughey, et al So whats the difference here?

by tsk tsk tsk Fri Apr 02, 2004 16:44

who can not go 24 hours without a hit
and alledged racist?
who keeps the data on these rapscallions?

Minister
¿are you doing your job?
as any drug user knows, the higher you go,
the further you fall.

the Heat is on. another song with music that gets the foot tapping.
the Heat is on now.

by dail-bar-insider Fri Apr 02, 2004 16:47

His racism is independent of his smoking. The fact is that the FG head honchos have been looking for an excuse to sack him.

by whats the connection? Fri Apr 02, 2004 17:06

How is he a racist? Just because you decide he is? Thats a terrible slur on a person who seems to be a very honest person. Just because he disagrees with you on immigration policy dosent make him a racist.

by kid A Sat Apr 03, 2004 18:07

Firstly I'd like to categorically state that I've never had any time for Deasy. He's an idiot, a racist and a fool.

But nowhere in the new smoking legislation have I read that it is a sackable offence. He should have been fined the E3000...

As for the smoking ban itself, it is the most rediculous proof of the idiocy of this nanny-state government I have seen yet. I was spat at outside a bar last night for having a cigarette and told I was "smoker scum". What has this country come to and where is it going?

by dail-bar-insider Sat Apr 03, 2004 19:25

Deasy came out publically and called for all travellers to be electronically tagged. This is FACT, it's a matter of record, go and search the Irish Times or Google or where ever if you don't believe me.

Also it is FACT that he is in favour of the racist citizenship ban.

these are the real reasons for his sacking

by jh Sat Apr 03, 2004 21:12

thats info you won't get in the indo or the times thank you indymedia

it sounds like innner circle gossip but i think eveyone should know this...

by Fergal Sat Apr 03, 2004 23:52

A D.C. is a dumb cunt who smokes where it is not permitted.
They are usually to be found at the back of the bus irritating everyone else.
Standard unifrom is a tracksuit and a sullen attitude. Now they have a representative in the Dail.

by Galenas Sun Apr 04, 2004 22:43

John Deasy has done what we should all be doing-standing up for basic civil liberties. The ban is just another sign of our governments contempt for the ordinary person.Ireland is a dictatorship, and things aren't going to improve if we all just bow our heads in subservience and agree with all the nanny state regulations. How about a smoke-in anyone?

by Badman Mon Apr 05, 2004 00:12

Nobody's right to poison themselves has been taken away - just their 'right' to poison others. Deasy is a law and order fanatic - but he feels it is okay to ignore it himself. Typical right wing hypocrite. Ha ha is all I can say, good riddance.

by Freshair fiend Mon Apr 05, 2004 01:38

A smoke in? Go ahead, I'll supply ye with a gallon or two of lighter fuel - after you'se have lit up.

by randomer Mon Apr 05, 2004 10:31

Deasy wasn't standing up for "basic civil liberties". Smoking in an enclosed area is not a civil liberty, no more than onanism in public is.

And how exactly is the ban a sign of contempt for ordinary people? Everyone I know who works in a bar or pub loves the ban. They aren't coughing all night, they don't come home with red eyes and stinking clothes. That's not contempt for the ordinary person.

Ireland is not a dictatorship. Go look up the word and see if it's even remotely possible to apply it.

And finally, the ban on smoking in enclosed places is NOT nanny-stateism. A nanny-state would ban smoking altogether rather than simply ban it in people's workplaces.

by Dail worker Mon Apr 05, 2004 12:07

Why are all these so called 'free thinking' people on this site believing that Deasy was sacked for smoking?

He was sacked for holding racist views that were embarrising to FG, especially in the up run to the elections and the race referendum.

This alibi of 'sacked for smoking' suited the FG leadership and Deasy himself as neither wanted this row within FG to be exposed.

by street worker Mon Apr 05, 2004 14:51

you are an esteemed member of our society.
Just like those corporations that provide the shredders, phones, computers, little wires that go in and little wires that go out.
and of course the satelites that go in run around have a listen and go out again.

There really ought be a lot more
"ditching of the liabilities".
= Politicians have to recognise when their term of government service is finished.

always there for you.
Nice house isn't it?

by DNA is ours. Mon Apr 05, 2004 15:00

a DNA database?

Do not touch what you do not understand.
For all the tomorrows, because you never knew, you don't know, and it's ok to say, I MAYBE a senior counsellor but I am not an adept.
just say:-
I know sweet fuck all of DNA.
That's how we keep it.
SFA+DNA
= happy free human and animal babies.

we are all created equal?
let's keep it that way eh?

by Galenas Tue Apr 06, 2004 19:13

Freedom is at stake here. I myself would have had no problem if they had placed a partial ban-some pubs smoking, others not-that way we all would have had a choice. But that choice has been taken away from us.

Secondly, the government will not ban tobacco products altogether. Even a nanny state loves all that revenue produced from the sale of the stuff.

This government stamps out what it does not like. People are denied the choice of where they choose to smoke, peaceful protesters are jailed, others beaten by the Gardai. When Ireland voted No to Nice, Bertie, Mary and co. weren't happy with the democratic decision of the people so they held another referendum. An NRA spokesman recently referred to the Carrickmines case, stating that ordinary people should not be able to stop roads being built. And what of the electronic voting? FF has been in power for so long now, they don't want to give that up. I can see some vote rigging going on very soon.

Yes, I think those are some of the qualities required of any budding dictatorship. Add to that the introduction of the snitch line, and wave goodbye to 2004, say hello to 1984.

by Watchdog Thu Apr 08, 2004 05:19

Ok...I posted the original message because it seemed INSANE to bust a public official, presumably properly elected, for violating a patently illegitimate "law".

Being from "the other side", I didn't know he was an immigration and Travelers fascist...or whatever that story is.

It remains that IF he is a racist bigot, THAT ought to have been the reason for his demotion...not "smoking" , whatever that means. If one thinks it mean smoking tobacco...one is WRONG...unless you know one of the few who smokes organic. Otherwise both smoker AND "second hand smoker" are UNWITTINGLY being hit with things like DIOXIN (from unlisted chlorine chemicals) and RADIATION (from unlisted rads from certain phosphate fertilizers) and God Knows WHAT in the heaps of pesticide residues and UNTESTED additives...and combos thereof.
This is no more TOBACCO than yer last pay stub (if any) is a Pine Tree...though possibly made from tree pulp.
Note: to fight "tobacco" or even undescribed "smoking" or "cigarettes" is to SERVE the cig industry by perpetuating their lie. It's also to serve ALL the ingredients suppliers, many some of the world's worst health damaging and environmentally damaging industries. It's all a TRICK...BASED on the tiny truth that there's some inherent risk to using tobacco.

Time for a poem:
"A truth that's told with bad intent
Beats all the lies you can invent."
[ Wm. Blake [

Folks talk of the Rights of Non-Smokers. Uh...what about the rights of MILLIONS of smokers and non-smokers alike to be free of, and protected from, secret and virtually secret and Very Deadly NON-TOBACCO parts of typical cigs?
What about rights of these people to compensation FROM the cig firms and their many toxic industrial adulterants suppliers?
Why the HELL should pub owners bear the burdens of law for health problems NOT of their making? In fact, the Publicans themselves were both hoodwinked AND harmed...not to mention the workers we are told that officials now suddenly care about.

What about some serious re-shuffling in government to REMOVE the officials who've allowed such secret poisoning of consumers? No tests of non-tobacco cig additives/adulterants, no listing, no adequate warnings ABOUT the KNOWN dangerous non-tobacco things. NOTHING. Ah....but they DID collect those nice regressive taxes, didn't they?
These same righteous officials now claim to be "shocked" and "concerned" about the "harms of smoking". Would it be disrespectful to laugh in their faces? Or better just to ask them about this and get them OUT of office?..ASAP.
For chrissakes...THEY are the very ones who CAUSED and ALLOWED and profited from the mass secret contamination of the products!
The smoke ban, class, is about MONEY...not about anyone's health...except for the packaging. It's always "for our protection" is it not?
National ID card..."for our protection".
Destruction of civil rights..."for our protection".
Zillions of dollars/pounds of PUBLIC funds to the military contractor industries..."for our protection".
News is that Irish officials plan to "crack down" on drinking..."for our protection".
Censorship of media..."for our protection".
Racist immigration crap...ditto.

The scared and uninformed, of course, go right along with it. The "debate" usually consists of a finger to anyone who questions. Swell.

"For our protection"...the very WORLD is being carved into a controlled,i inflexible, lifeless, sterile, anti-nature, "safe" place...for Global Biz.
The cig deal, supported by the WTO and all top corporate entities, is one part of it. it's about PROTECTING Big Cig and all of their hugely powerful ingredients suppliers AND all of their investors/insurers...AND the sell-out pols who played along.

See the web site posted here for a good intro course into this issue. Won't see much of THIS info in yer commercial media...or coming out of the mouths of officials.

By the way...all those who really believe that the Powers That Be care about Workers' Health...please explain.