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category international | rights, freedoms and repression | news report author Thursday November 27, 2003 14:15author by James McKennaauthor email jimmymac61 at hotmail dot com Report this post to the editors

During a speech in London Lord Justice Steyn described the treatment of prisoners at the US Naval base at Guantanamo bay , Cuba as, "a monsterous failure of justice."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/3238624.stm

Lord Steyn said the Muslim prisoners were being held deliberately beyond the rule of law and the protecion of the courts. The Lord also quoted a US military source at the camp as describing the treatment of prisoners as, "it's not quite torture but it's as close as you can get."

Human rights lawyer Louise Christian said, "I cannot remember a senior law lord making a speech such as this which is obviously directed at government and I think it's an indication of the seriousness with which our senior judiciary view what's happening in Guantanamo bay."

During last weeks Bush visit to England, Tony the Poodle failed to reach any agreement on the treatment of the nine Britons being held without charge in the US torture and interrogation camp. Privately the father of one of the prisoners , Azmat Begg, has been assured "off the record" by a Home Office offical that no British prisoners will be executed. His son Moazzam Begg was kidnapped from his home in Pakistan and sold to US forces while working for a Muslim school charity.

Former Chief Proecutor on the UN war crimes tribunal, Justice Richard Goldstone said : " Judges don't believe people should be treated in this way, in a manner that is unlawful. I don't believe this prolonged detention and interrogations can be justified, anymore thatn torture can be justified. One hasn't seen any great intelligence results from Guantanamo bay. Certainly the democratic world regards it now as a great injustice and I have no doubt that history will judge it to be that. A future American president will have to apologise for these actions."

Christophe Girod of the International Comittee of the Red Cross also expressed his concern that, " the US has put these men beyond the law". Their argument , he says, is that Guantanamo Bay is not US territory while it remains an obvious and fully functioning part of the US . Like Embassies and military bases all over the world Guantanamo naval base and concentration camp are a definite part of the US "territory".

Men transported to Guantanamo are first held in Bhagram base in Afghanistan where Irish troops serve under the same NATO command. Two men have died there before the Red Cross could see them and their death certificates show "Homicide" and "blunt force trauma" as the cause of death. Torture is practiced by the CIA and US military in the Bhagram base with the support of the Irish Government.

Sayed Abassin , a taxi driver , was driving a passenger , Alif Shan, a businessman when they were seized by Northern Alliance thugs and sold to the US military who were offering substancial rewards for "Taliban". Sayed protested his innocence and showed his papers as a taxi driver and not a Talib but he was still taken by the Northern Alliance and handed over to tha US as a "captured Taliban."


Alif Shan says he and Sayed were handed over for ," influence, dollars and over personal disputes." While spending over 18 months in Guantanamo before their release earlier this year with 67 others, Shan lost properties and investments. Sayed has a young family and was forced to see his family destitute at the hands of the new US regime in Afghanistan.

Sayed had been beaten up by the Taliban for playing music in his taxi and is his home to this day is a concealed television and a copy of his favourite video "Titanic", with Leonardo De Caprio. "I would have been in a lot of trouble if the Taliban had found these he said to western journalists. He tells the story of his transportation to Cuba:

"They put handcuffs and tape on my hands. They taped my eyes and ears and gagged me. They put chains on my arms and legs and aournd my waist. They injected me. I was unconscious. When I arrived in Cuba and they took me off the plane they injected me again and I came back to consciousness. I did not know how long the plane was flying for. They put me on a bed on wheels, I could sense what was going on. They tied me up. They took me off the plane onto a vehicle. We got to a big prison and there were cages there. They built it like a zoo."

"Each container houses 48 cages. Everyone was in an individual cage with a tap a toilet and water. There was room to sit but not to pray. We were praying with difficulty, My joints were damaged."

Sayeds knees are still very damaged and scarred from his time in Bhagram when he was forced to kneel for hours with his hands above his head.

"The light was very bright there as well. It was switched on all the time and because of that our eyes were damaged and from constantly having to look through the netting. If we talked to each other they took away our blankets and bedding for three days, leaving only a towel to cover ourselves and sleep under. I had problems with my knees and the military doctor told me to do exercises but when I did the soldiers took me to a closed container for five days. I was told to do it by the doctor."

The Christian chaplain at Guantanamo Lt. Col Herb Heavner said when asked how he felt about such treatment, "If I occupy a lot of my time concerning myself with the fairness or the justness of what is taking place, I wouldn't be able to focus on my primary mission."

Judge Michelle Picard ,President of the Human Rights Chamber in Boznia-Herzagovina said, "It is clear that the world is not safe anymore because of the behaviour of the United States."

The US has kidnapped 6 men from Boznia after they were aquitted of attempting to blow up the British and US embassies. The Human Rights Chamber had expressly stated the men were not to be taken from the country but the US went right ahead and kidnapped them.

Children as young as 13 await military tribunals headed by a commander-in-chief who has already declared of the detainees, " the only thing we know for certain is that these are bad people." Should they then feel they will have an independent, impartial hearing?

US embassy 01 6688777

Related Link: http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/1126/dailyUpdate.html
author by mickpublication date Thu Nov 27, 2003 16:20author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Does anybody know whether any Guantanamo Bay bound prisoners have passsed through Shannon

author by Liampublication date Fri Nov 28, 2003 08:31author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Maj. Gen. Abed Hamed Mowhoush, an air defense general captured Oct. 5 in a raid near the Syrian border, was being questioned Wednesday while in American custody in Qaim near the Syrian border when he lost consciousness . He was pronounced dead by a U.S. military physician.

When you kill a prisoner with "stress and duress techniques" it is murder and should be investigated as such.

author by Vincitpublication date Fri Nov 28, 2003 10:07author address author phone Report this post to the editors

I wonder why we have so many Baathist sympathisers around here? That scumbag died of natural causes, unlike his victims.

The American's got a medic to him within 5 minutes - which is more than me deserved.

author by Brenda Cpublication date Fri Nov 28, 2003 10:15author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Hi,

Sorry, I don't have the full url for this but bear with me. Go to the site linked, choose Forums, then General Discussions and choose the thread called "Free Your Mind".

There are some very interesting remarks made here by an Irish American medic who claims he had told this to the BBC in an interview but it was not braodcast.

Related Link: http://www.daltai.com
author by JMcKpublication date Sun Nov 30, 2003 12:42author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Britons to be sent home. A deal to return British citizens held at Guantanamo Bay is to be sealed before the end of this year, according to officials from America and the United Kingdom.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1096508,00.html



3 ex-officers challenging detentions at Guantanamo Bay
In a case the U.S. Supreme Court will soon consider, three former high-ranking officers have played a key role in arguing against the indefinite detention of suspected terrorists on the Navy base in Guantánamo Bay, Cuba.



http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/nation/7373725.htm


SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico Nov. 29 — An Army intelligence officer was charged Saturday with violating security at the U.S. detention camp for terrorist suspects in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
He is the fourth worker at the base accused of such violations. Two Arabic translators and a Muslim chaplain face charges ranging from espionage to adultery.


http://abcnews.go.com/wire/World/ap20031129_674.html

author by -publication date Thu Jan 08, 2004 18:43author address author phone Report this post to the editors

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probably provided by the lowest bidder. That is the capitalist way.
probably provided by the lowest bidder. That is the capitalist way.

author by orangepublication date Sun Jan 02, 2005 22:22author address author phone Report this post to the editors

has related of the torture he received for using the koran every inmate receives to pray with.
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,1382033,00.html
meanwhile the Germans have reported in the last few hours that 500 persons are known to be still held in the camp.
http://www.swr.de/nachrichten/ts/oid3936872_mod1.html
the homeland security service of the USA is calling for the right to hold terrorist suspects for life.
without charge.
without proper and due process of law.
without right.

author by josépublication date Wed Jan 05, 2005 01:39author address author phone Report this post to the editors

on behalf of two French citizens who were held at the camp on the grounds that their detention was illegal under international and french law.
Another lower court had previously stopped the plaintiffs case in May 2003.
Nizar Sassi and Mourad Benchellali were detained by the US authorities in Afghanistan at the end of 2001 and were held without trial on the US military base off of Cuba till July 2004.

the relevant laws are to be found in the 3rd geneva convention of April 12 1949 and the international pact relating to civil and political rights of december 1966 which clarifies the position of French law on that sort of thing.
against it they are.
not having a bit of it.
Meanwhile France wants to hear about and see and hug and have a look at three other of its citizens in the camp - Ridouane Khalid, Khaled ben Mustapha and Moustak Ali Patel.
Four have been released in addition to the two mentioned above, Brahim Yadel and Imad Kanouni were released to France on July 27th 2004.
.http://permanent.nouvelobs.com/societe/20050104.OBS5349.html
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In slightly related regional news, France has welcomed recent developments in Cuba which has recently enjoyed a mutual assistance agreement totaling several billion $ (old money) with China, (which i told you about in the other press article "people and places") and has of the last day reopened full diplomatic relations with that state after a tea time tryst alongside the UK, Germany, Italy, Austria, Portugal and Sweden yesterday at the suggestion of Felipe Pérez Roque the Cuban foreign minister who's feeling well pleaséd with himself, because relations with most of the EU (apart from España Belgium and Hungary) were frozen in June 2003 because Gloria Estafan threatened everyone with the monkey.
France has asked (coz like they do that sort of thing) that the other 16 states of the Union including Ireland follow suit and "do tea time tryst with the Cubans".
http://www.univision.com/contentroot/wirefeeds/lat/1224653.html
And just in case you're suspicious, Oswaldo Paya the leader of the dissidents has confirmed that Europe is not behind Gloria Estafan are intefering in the internal affairs of Cuba.
http://www.miami.com/mld/elnuevo/news/world/americas/10564951.htm
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Diego Maradona stayed off the charlie for Xmas and is doing fine.
Stand Strong Diego!

author by colin powell.publication date Wed Jan 05, 2005 19:25author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Colin Powell will soon be replaced by Condolence Rice for being overly nice during the last adminstration.

Thing is soon to be ex secretary of State Mr Powell,
in the period of almost one year since the photo was released globally most muslims have come to the conclusion that the USA is the Great Satan.

And some condolence rice and helicopters aint gonna sort that now.

¿is it?

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