Pit Stop Ploughshare Court Hearing 19 November 2003

by redjade Wed Nov 19, 2003 15:04

great photos ian! :-)

by Ian Oliver - Letcombe Wed Nov 19, 2003 17:35 info at letcombe dot com +353 (0)86 8201478

The pre trial was delayed yet again....

(thanks to JD for the Info)

by Pam Greirson Thu Nov 20, 2003 05:08

How come the Spike is so flaky?

by Moi Thu Nov 20, 2003 14:46

Post it to ONE thread only, don't spam it all over the place.

by Ciaron Thu Nov 20, 2003 15:08

This is a report to go with the photos, not a comment. Don't get ya point?

by Dublin Agnostic Worker Fri Nov 21, 2003 00:44

Posting the same article, report or comment three times is spam.
Can someone, anyone explain why the Pit Stop people have to post their statements not ONE, not TWO, but THREE TIMES? Do they not understand the meaning of the word 'spam'? Or do the rules of indymedia not apply to the holy ones?
Can someone please remove the excess baggage?

N19 Press Release by Pit Stop Ploughshares:
http://www.indymedia.ie/newswire.php?story_id=62298&condense_comments=false#comment53337
http://www.indymedia.ie/newswire.php?story_id=62291&condense_comments=false#comment53338
http://www.indymedia.ie/newswire.php?story_id=62282&condense_comments=false#comment53339

Short Report on Inside and Outside Court:
http://www.indymedia.ie/newswire.php?story_id=62298&condense_comments=false#comment53349
http://www.indymedia.ie/newswire.php?story_id=62291&condense_comments=false#comment53350
http://www.indymedia.ie/newswire.php?story_id=62282&condense_comments=false#comment53352

by Indymedia Ireland Editorial Group - Indymedia Ireland Fri Nov 21, 2003 01:18

"Dublin Agnostic" please use the contact form or mailto "[email protected]" in order to raise concerns of this kind: we're more likely to see it and it doesn't clutter up the comments. Thanks for pointing out this problem. Duplicated material is deleted as a matter of policy on indymedia.ie. Suggestion to Ciaron/PitstopPloughshares: post it once then post links to it. The links will not be removed, exact duplicates of the material will. Thanks, R Isible

by Rasta4i's Fri Nov 21, 2003 05:47

There is so much to be said and I am not able.
People who take direct action have my respect and gratatude because They are the ones making a difference not those who babble and sceeme!
Respect from Rasta4i's

by Ciaron - Dublin Catholic Worker Fri Nov 21, 2003 15:12

Holy sectarianism dude!... ya getting a little hot under the colar...sectarianism, militancy envy or techno fettish hard to know your motive for such angst???

. Three photographic reports posted by 3 individual indy reporters (not us on trial!)....photos without explanation looked like setting the scene for another indymedia ass-kickin' party on the CW5. May as well have our politics to shoot at rather than my weight, hair, your charactertures of us and our spirituality etc etc)

DAG, you're gonna have to chill...it's gonna get a lot hotter than this as we approach trial. If the Irish peace movement gets a little more militant, I'm sure we won't present such a visual problem to your prejudices. Let's hope there's a lot more to report in bringing this war to a grinding halt.

Editors, you're doing a great job. Nope I don't know much about the techno world...looking forward to my internet access being cut for a few years real soon, so I can go back to penning a few letters.
Stay sane
Ciaron

by Agnostic Worker Sun Nov 23, 2003 15:19

I certainly was not "getting a little hot under the colar", I merely pointed out that it was against IMC policy to post duplicates. The editors obviously agreed with me, because they then removed them.

As to your questioning my motives, I find your remarks bordering on the spiteful. It had nothing to do with "sectarianism, militancy envy or techno fettish".
Regarding sectarianism, In my working life I am in frequent contact with people of various backgrounds and religions, including Catholic priests and nuns. I have also been involved with various NGOs, and have many friends and contacts among people involved in the 'Liberation Theology' movement.
Regarding militancy, I have been deeply involved in republican and left wing politics since the 70's. I am not going to give all the details here, but I certainly have no reason to be envious of your degree of militancy.
As regards "techno fettish", we have all, including yourself, reached a certain level of competency with computers, so I'm not sure what point you were trying to make there.

Your statement: "I'm sure we won't present such a visual problem to your prejudices" is unfortunate. Someone with your prominence in the peace movement should know better than to accuse another activist of prejudice. I have certainly never made reference to your "weight, hair, your charactertures of us and our spirituality"

Who exactly will "have to chill"? You are the one who got upset at my questioning your posting of duplicates. I think you should stop taking yourself too seriously, I met you a few times and I have never seen you smile, you always look as if you have the weight of the world on your shoulders.
Having said all that, I sincerely hope none of you get a prison sentence, and that the war can be stopped.

by Ciaron - Dublin Catholic Worker Mon Nov 24, 2003 12:09

Rightio!

Your use of the word "holy ones" was snide (being snide especially on this anonymous medium with a pseudonym is basically a cowardly act).

The weight I have on my shoulders is not so much a maximum 10 year prison sentence with a probable 3 year likely.....it's having to fight rearguard actions against the snide, the mediocre, the resentful, those using this war as a marketing opportunity to posture and are not serious about reisting it or supporting those who are.

Instead of your techno-whinging you could have done what the eidtor did and request the original post be removed. But like so many others you seem to expend your energy on attacking us rather than the state facilitating this war.

We aren't a soft target, go find another one or get another hobby.

by unemployed athiest Mon Nov 24, 2003 17:48

Its very unlikely that Ciaron will get ten years. more likely it'll be draged out and kicked to touch - an Irish solution to an Irish problem. Ciarons being a little melodramatic. Your being a bit wishy-washy too, agnostic worker, why dont you come off the fence from yer halfway position and embrace fullblooded athiesm like the rest of us? Wonder tho, why Ciaron is not prepared to turn the other cheek, thats what christians are supposed to do, is it not?

by Ciaron - Dublin Catholic Worker Mon Nov 24, 2003 20:08

I have been raising some of the underlying issues to y'all trolling...cynicism, snideness, resentment, mediocrity - all run deep in this colonised culture. Explains a lot how 100,000 imperial troops can commute through this land with little resistance.

If people have got a problem with us confront us, debate us. Being snide and cynical is cowardice..another quality that seems abundant. Turning the other cheek is proactive nonviolent resistance..the guy who has hit you with his backhand must now hit you with his forehand and acknowledge you as an equal.

To confuse it with passive surrender or us as a soft theraputeic target preferable to confronting the state is a mistake.

My techno crime here was to add a report to a series of photographs, this enhanced the report. The trolling snideness didn't contribute anything to the report etc etc. Seems like the dude has a very anglo approach to the rules, fair enuff...misses the wood for the trees, obssesses with the medium rather than the message.

See you at Shannon Dec 6. if you've got a problem with us, skip our reports or publicly debate us. Should the agnostic worker find himself before the courts for resisting this war, we will muster all the support we can for him.

Our last resistance action at the Aviation Building included a Muslim, Buddhists, a Gay Catholics, a Christian Brother, a seminarian, an agnostic, a Catholic farmer, a Catholic Dub. The caharcterture you present of us - is that we are uptight and smallminded - when in praxis we must be one of the most pluralistic crews in town.

mAs soon as our action went down on Feb 3 moderates in the peace movement repeated the state propaganda that we were violent...so it's hardly the first experience of this stuff. Meanwhile the Garda press officer put out a statement rejecting such lies.