Na Fianna Éireann say "Reject the RUC/PSNI!.

by ck2 - Na Fianna Eireann Tue Jan 13, 2004 02:53

I cannot speak for Na Fianna Eireann.There may well be individuals prepared to carry out attacks such as those in the Middle East.However the manpower resources these Middle Eastern groups have are near inexhaustable,The situation here is diffrent and sending out suicide bombers would leave you with empty ranks.
Please remember it takes a lot more determination and courage to starve yourself for up to 66 days until death for the cause of national liberation.

by Ck2 - Na Fianna Eireann Tue Jan 13, 2004 02:46 Tir Chonaill

I cannot speak on behalf of Na Fianna Eireann.My personal view is that all killing is wrong and that TRUE peace should be brought to this Island.The GFA will not achieve this.Do you really believe that the provisionals are decommissioning weapons?Their constitution forbids it and there has been no convention to change that part of the constitution.Do you believe that having them as police will decrease instances of human rights abuses?
There is another way-Eire Nua,read up on it,It is Sinn Fein Poblachtanas' aim to create an Eire Nua.
With regards to the comments on 'legitimate targets' I must say that the killing of any one living creature is a tragedy.Untold grief is endured every day across the world because of murder and conflict,no one of us who is sane and good can deny that.The killings of civilians who accept posts in an illegal government institution are intended to bring down those institutions by scaring people away from the positions.If nobody accepts the positions then the institution cannot function.It is regrettable that these killings happen at all but they are seen by many as the only way to crumble an illegal governing body.
To put it bluntly,these people should realise this and dismiss the thought of joining such a body.No job is worth your life.
I am unrepentant in this view.

by Justin Morahan - Peace People Thu Sep 18, 2003 03:01

Once you start dealing in the politics of death you're on the slippery slope
to a world of murder, war, hate, revenge, disappeared bodies etc etc ad
nauseam.
Do we want another 30 years of violence and hate for our children and theirs
in Northern Ireland or elsewhere?
The Peace Process is not perfect but if you want to change it for the better
or what you think is better why not go the non-violent way?
The Civil Rights movement achieved more in NI in six months than the ensuing
violence did in 30 years. And it left no graves, no disabled, no permanent
scars of personal hatred or lust for blood in its wake.
Think about it: No-one is a legitimate target for your opinions. I agree
with Drbinoche inasmuch as he or she opposes your belief in a divine right
to kill those whom you disagree with, but I disagree with the notion that
you Fianna Éireann, are legitimate targets.
No-one is a legitimate target.
I also am opposed to suicide bombings.

by Drbinoche Wed Sep 17, 2003 23:42

Tiocfaidh Armani - Na Fianna Eireann. I must say what a fantastic way to totally dodge the bullet. How did I misunderstand what you said. You said that "I personally am of the view that all collaborators with the British police force is a legitimate target" so how did I misunderstand that. To me that seems as Black and White as you get. I must also point out, where are you willing to draw the line with regards to the above statement. Please define Collaboration. Are Bus drivers collaborating?? Are office cleaners collaborating?? What about anyone who nods or says Hi to a PSNI officer on the street, is that classed as Collaboration to you?? And would it not mean to you that that person or persons are legitimate targets??

I agree with the posters, please do not say that the Northern Irish people are having it as bad as the people in Afghanistan and Iraq, don't be that stupid. How many Northern Irish people were shot this morning at checkpoints?? In fact how many Northern Irish people had to undergo checkpoints in order to get to work or even cross the city today?

I ask again, please provide some photographic evidence of you guys having a following in this country. I have yet to see one placard or march or anything by your group. I know absolutely no-one who shares your views and I have quite an eclectic group of people whom I believe cover most of the important views.

The cries of Fascism and childishness as a way of dodging any necessary respones, or maybe you don't have an argument?? Maybe you are copying and pasting most of this or hearing it from someone else and claiming it as your own and so cannot fight back with an argument until that someone posts a reply or gives you more 'original thought'!

And OK, lets play devils advocate for a moment. Suppose the Brits packed up tomorrow and left Northern Ireland and everyone was fine with it and everyone had no problems. Who would you have instilled as a police force?? Where would you recruit em from?? Where would their loyalties lie?? Woould you ask for the withdrawal of all of the Loyalists?? Where are you willing to take this absolutely out-dated and idiotic crusade??

by mr pie pi man- seriously a pie is harmless and there's way - too much agro. Wed Sep 17, 2003 22:17

if they do.
pie the fuckers.

by Lone gunman Wed Sep 17, 2003 17:53

With the balaclavad ,pick handle weilding ,knee capping,friendly PIRA police force.Parking ticket? Two bullets per knee cap.smoking in the pub?Shot in the back of the head.
This "freedom fighter" lot on both sides havent realised we are under an army of occupation,its not the Uk it is fucking EUROPE!!!
Do us all a favour ,go and off a few more Europhile ministers like that Swedish minister.
then you would be doing old Oireland and us all a favour.The fight as to who controls Ireland is now being fought in Strassbourg & Brussels.
Or is that too much above their "Irish freedom fighter" tiny minds?

by The Insider Wed Sep 17, 2003 17:43

"Many people on this I'm sure would support the Iraqi military fight against the illegal occupation in their country. They have a right to fight force with force, as do Irishmen/women.

If you feel we have no right to have an opinion on this, then I feel you might have some fascist inclinations. Free speech for all. "

- Comparing the suffering which the Iraqis are enduring with the situation in the North only insults and belittles the suffering Iraqi populace. You don't see any B52s over Belfast, do you? Any tanks driving through downtown Belfast? Water, food shortages? Nope.

Ah yes, if you don't agree with Na Fianna, obviously you must be a fascist. Clearly we live in a deeply fascist country then, seeing as nobody agrees with them.

If you feel otherwise, why not call a mass demo to show support for your policies? Because you know it would flop, that's why.

You demand free speech. What about the right to life, obviously that means little to you?

by The Insider Wed Sep 17, 2003 17:36

Or perhaps they have been infiltrated by MI5, who knows? It's one possible explanation for their totally counterproductive behaviour.

At any rate, their actions against police board members allow the Brits to justify repressive measures against "dissidents". Can't have juries when trying dissidents, your honour, sure they'll intimidate them just like they intimidated the police board members! Repression breeds repression in a vicous circle

And so on, and on and on.

by Tiocfaidh Armani - Na Fianna Eireann Wed Sep 17, 2003 17:35 info at fiannaeireann dot com Dublin

"Since Na Fianna Eireann have exposed themselves as human rights abusers, I don't feel they have any place on indymedia. There's nothing progressive about these tactics, nor are they going to achieve anything except encourage sympathy for the PSNI." -

Many people on this I'm sure would support the Iraqi military fight against the illegal occupation in their country. They have a right to fight force with force, as do Irishmen/women.

If you feel we have no right to have an opinion on this, then I feel you might have some fascist inclinations. Free speech for all.

by Tiocfaidh Armani - Na Fianna Eireann Wed Sep 17, 2003 17:24 info at fiannaeireann dot com Dublin

The website will be out shortly. We have a new paper coming out and we've decided to release then both at the same time. Websites take time.

Drbinoche, you completely misunderstood what I said and from your childish reply, I don't feel the urge to reply with some intelligence.

Simply put, if there is an illegal occupation of a country, that will be upheld with force, then we have a right to use force to get rid of that illegal occupation. The Americans are finding that out the hard way as we speak...;-)

by The Insider Wed Sep 17, 2003 17:17

Since Na Fianna Eireann have exposed themselves as human rights abusers, I don't feel they have any place on indymedia. There's nothing progressive about these tactics, nor are they going to achieve anything except encourage sympathy for the PSNI.

by limericklady Wed Sep 17, 2003 11:47

any sign of the website yet?
its been a long pregnancy!

by Drbinoche Wed Sep 17, 2003 01:29

So its OK to target any person irrespective of religion or social standing, beliefs anything like that for joining the PSNI. They are all legitimate targets, well I am sorry but I believe Na Fianna and any fucking moron on this site who believes that is a legitimate target for a shot to the face. You are the ones who are assisting in the standing in the way of us maybe getting peace on this island. You and the Loyalists are as bad as each other, you believe that if a person goes and gets a job with someone you disagree with you have the right to kill em. Thats fucking Childish, hell why don't you just start shooting people who earn more than you or people who have bigger dicks than you. Where does it end. A persons job is just that, A JOB, it does not mean that the person is inherently evil or morally wrong. You claim you are for the people of this country, well would you mind releasing some info on your supporters, coz Ill tell you this now I know absolutely NO-ONE on this Island who shares your views. Go rot in Jail with you bastard leader Mc Kevitt. By your rationale, anyone who does not believe as I believe is a legitimate target to me and therefore I can just start killing people and, well my organisers believe I am right. Let me remind you we stopped being fucking idiots along time ago and are trying, no matter how slowly and for whatever reasons, to maybe sort our shit out up the north and try to get some sort of an Island together. Legitimate Targets, grow up or blow up. I don't care if you guys are so dedicated to your premise why don't you go and become Suicide Bombers or are younot that brave. Do you not believe in the cause enough to warrant your own deaths. Come on guys start blowing yourselves up, but try to do it in such a way that you don't interfere with our everyday lives while you are at it.

And just so you know I don't like the RUC that much, I haven't made my mind up fully on their disbanding, but jesus christ I certainly don't think that I have the right to tell another person from my area where they can and cannot work.

by Tiocfaidh Armani - Na Fianna Eireann Wed Sep 17, 2003 00:11 info at fiannaeireann dot com Dublin

I cannot speak for Na Fianna. I personally am of the view that all collaborators with the British police force is a legitimate target. Members of these boards are serving an illegal sectarian police force in Ireland, and know the risks involved. Their religion does not come into it.

PSNI:
50% Catholic
50% Protestant
100% British

BRITS OUT OF IRELAND!

by blah, blah, blah Tue Sep 16, 2003 22:51

Disband the RUC now, they've had their bloody day,
they've brutalised and tortured our men in Castlereagh. Disband these irish traitors now, for peace and liberty.
Disband these thugs in uniform and send them on their way.

by come & get me, if you think yur hard enuf Tue Sep 16, 2003 22:41

The death threats are by micro groups, nobody likes the PSNI, and the death threats should really be directed at PSNI members.

Many catholic members of the DPP's are realising what a useless pointless quango they're sitting on, and are using the excuse of death threats to get off the DPP board.

by The Insider Tue Sep 16, 2003 19:47

What's Na Fianna Eireann's position on them?

I'm not an advocate for the PSNI or any police force for that matter, but these death threats are plainly WRONG.