Foreign benefit scrounger 'to make historic Ireland visit'

by Blue eyed bob Sun Sep 07, 2003 15:50

Does she not realise that they've missed the boat?
The 26 counties has been flogged off to the yanks for 30 pieces of silver and a dodgy book deal for the Taoiseach's daughter (>$1,000,000)

by unfair! Sun Sep 07, 2003 15:54

How dare you call Frau Windsor work-shy!

Do you not realise the amount of time the royals spend trying to promote british business - like the arms trade?

She's not just coming here to view the scenery y'know. She wants to see how her loyal 'Oirish gintry'/business interests are doing since partition cruelly deprived them of a more direct link to the crumbling empire.

by ??? Sun Sep 07, 2003 16:40

I suppose she will be bringing that dickhead of a husband of hers. Just to rub it in, like.

While we are on the subject of royalty, should we not be demanding that the profiles of "heads of state" within the EC should no longer be put on the coinage. That is certainly a measure that should be taken before the brits finally face the inevitable and get round to joining the Euro.

by >>>>>Seáinín Sun Sep 07, 2003 18:46

If the UK head of state made an official business. All part of the normalisation process after the unrest of the last 30 years. Good for tourism too.

by Big John Sun Sep 07, 2003 20:29

It figures that you would welcome her, you little west brit, nobody is deceived by you using the Irish form of your name. So you are a nazi AND a royalist at the same time! That really takes the biscuit.

by Lone gunman Sun Sep 07, 2003 22:20

Sure we are.. We talk on Esat BT phones,we watch Cornation street,Eastenders,Sky ,BBC,ITV UTV etc.
We shop in Tescos,read the SUN,Daily Mirror, Screws of the World.Trade with the UK as the main trading partner.Employ Brits much quicker than our own[because we still have the hang up that they are superior to us]. And generally ape anything they do.So I guess we must be West Brits.Might as well run up the Union Jack as well and welcome back our monarch.Couldnt do any worse.We havent done much with our freedom in the last eighty years anyway.

by Andy - none Mon Sep 08, 2003 00:01

If your so fond of her you can bloody well keep her.
And her extended family, retainers, arselickers and hangers-on.
We dont want them.
http://www.throneout.com

by >>>>>Seáinín Mon Sep 08, 2003 01:35

It's irrelevent who the Head of State under the UK constitution is, whether it be a President (which I would prefer since then anyone could be President) or a hereditary monarch as is the case now.

All I'm saying is that it would go a great way towards normalising relations between the two countries if our Heads of States could swap visits.

Does that me a Royalist? No...

by Ger Mon Sep 08, 2003 11:59

Lone Gunman, you have hit the nail on the head. Our 26 county statelet is so crappy, I really think we should petition her maj to be let back into the UK - if they would have us, that is.

by david Mon Sep 08, 2003 17:46

If english people drink guinness (i know i know.. not irish but people think it is so it still counts), watch father ted, get pissed on paddies day, like U2, the cranberries, the thrills, watch the irish soccer internationals, laugh at graham norton.. etc then they must secretly want to be irish?

By the way, america is now officially irelands biggest trading partner..

by Lone Gunman Mon Sep 08, 2003 18:08

To humour us Thick Paddies...er west Brits...oh whatever!They must have a WONDERFUL sense of humour if they can stand our more nuttier contingent bombing and shooting at them for thirty odd years.
BTW Father Ted was an Irish concept that holy catholic RTE wouldnt touch.But channel 4 snapped up.Again Ireland having to monkey the Brits at buying back the series at triple its price.
The Cranberries got their big break in evil america on college radio stations.
[Thus exporting and making it is hated the world over the Limerick gurrier accent.]
Should we include "sir "Bob Geldoff as West Brit,and Phil Lynott[self proclaimed black Irish bastard], for making it big outside Ireland as West Brits.
Shock horror we actually TRADE with America?
I thought we were all grown up Europeans now.

by SP Member Mon Sep 08, 2003 18:35

While I want to see the Monarchy abolished I do think the tenor of this whole thread is anti British. You will not endear yourselves to British Workers by depicting any British people as apes.

Would you have caricatured the King of Belgium as an ape?

by Badman Mon Sep 08, 2003 19:10

I'd also caricature Tony O Reilly as an ape, or much worse.

The SP, on the other hand, do a pretty good job at caricaturing themselves.

by Tomas O Laoire Mon Sep 08, 2003 19:16

I would be disgusted to see the red carpet being roled out to the British head of State, who is also the commander-in-chief of the British Military while they continue to kill innocent people. It's as bad as welcoming the head of the C-IRA, or Osama Bin Laden or George W Bush.

And let's be honest, the British people are growing less and less fond of the idea of a monarchy.

by SP Member Mon Sep 08, 2003 19:29

In the 19th Century the Irish were depicted as apes in the British Press. It is sad that Indymedia is now pprepared to streotype the British in the same manner.

by Badman Mon Sep 08, 2003 19:35

We're stereotyping the British queen. Now don't tell me that the SP think there is no difference or that the two have a common interest.

by Ali la Pointe Mon Sep 08, 2003 19:52

must be very poor if SP member's is representative. "Portraying British as apes" when all I portrayed was the foreign benefits scrounger. Besides, the image came from a "UK" republican site (ak press) contrary to what you believe, all working class brits are not royalists. You should check out some of the british republican sites. (see above)

Actually, I think I'd portray the king of Belgium as a penis.

BTW RTÉ never turned down, or banned or whatever, Father Ted. It's an oft-repeated urban myth, but an urban myth, nevertheless. I got it from the horse's mouth, screenwriter Graham Linehan, who wrote it for C4.

However you look at it, more Irish people have died in the conflict with Britain than British people.

by SP Member Mon Sep 08, 2003 20:08

I never claimed that most working class British people are royalists, but unfortunately some are. But your image is offensive to all British people by portraying a British person as an ape. Your comments abot Belgians make me worry abou the latent racism on Indymedia.

by Tiocfaidh Armani - Na Fianna Eireann Mon Sep 08, 2003 20:16 info at fiannaeireann dot com Dublin

Britains monarachs should never be welcome while they hold six of our counties. Infact I would never welcome them or any other unelected body, whose only function is to maintain themselves as superior to their nations citizens and to refer to their people as "subjects".

by Hmmm... Mon Sep 08, 2003 21:22

At 12.35am Seáinín said:
"It's irrelevent who the Head of State under the UK constitution is"

Seáinín, there is no UK constitution.

by pedant Mon Sep 08, 2003 22:18

Oh yes there is .... it's just not written down ....

by Hmmm... Mon Sep 08, 2003 22:22

Then its not worth the paper its not written on.

by pedant Mon Sep 08, 2003 22:25

By the way Shoneen which "two countries" are you referring to .... ?
The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is a hotch-potch amalgam of quite a few "countries" ... as far as I was aware it includes England, Scotland, Wales and a bit of Ulster that was hacked off from the rest in the early 1920's ....

Perhaps it would be more correct to refer to relations between the two "states" .......

by pedant Mon Sep 08, 2003 22:29

No British person has been caricatured as an ape ..... whatever else she may be Mrs. Saxe-Coburg-Gotha-Windsor hardly qualifies as "British" ........
Although it is true that she lays claim to the British Throne .... but that is a different matter altogether .......

by pedant Mon Sep 08, 2003 22:49

Sure the Belgian Royal family (SP politically correct nit-pickers and thought-police note I said the Belgian Royal family - NOT "the Belgians") was responsible for the genocide of an estimated 5 million or so natives in the Congo which was at the time the personal property of the Belgian King (the Parliament took it off him when the scandal became too much) .....
Roger Casement played a key role in exposing it ....

So a right shower of cunts and easily as bad as Adolf Hitler in my book ... even if their little genocidal capers in Africa have been largely hushed up in the official history of European Royalty ... the First World War heloed no end allowing poor wee Belgium to potray itself as a "victim" of foreign military aggression .......

But I suppose the politically correct twats in the SP will take offence at such remarks .....
Jaysus now that they have one or two arses on seats in Doyle Ayrinn, they think that they've joined the "gintry" .........

Well I think that Brendan Behan were he still alive might have had an answer for them ......

by >>>>>Seáinín Tue Sep 09, 2003 02:42

Yeah, British journalists regularly mention "our constitution" when discussing the position of the royals.

They have an unwritten constitution based on (assumed) mutual consent of the people rather than a written one based on approval by plebiscite.

by Lone gunman Tue Sep 09, 2003 12:39

Is called the Magna Carta. Basicaly it is a charter of rights and prividledges granted to English noblemen in the 10 centuary or thereabouts.Now were the commoners outnumber the nobility it is about as revelant to the British subject as a flag to a chicken.

ALI,
What did actually happen RE father Ted & C4. I would be intrested in the actual truth on this?Seriously!

by Ger Tue Sep 09, 2003 13:32

To caricature QE2 that way is all very droll but frankly, it is also far too adolescent. It shows how many people still haven't outgrown the throwing bricks mentality. If we are a proper country, we need to get over our grievances against our neighbour, real or imagined, past and present, and stop acting like yobs.

by oliver cromwell Tue Sep 09, 2003 14:08

I find it a terrible pity that there has not been a decent public execution of a British Monarch since the 1640s ........

But my countriemen are grown too squeamish in this regard ......

by Seanin's Special Arse Service(SAS) Tue Sep 09, 2003 14:10

Her royal majesty brit monarch is not loved very much in her own cuntry, she's hoping unworldly irish peasant natives give her a better reception, and remember the heady days of brit colonial rule in ireland.
Why can't you follow the humble cap tipping attitude of lowly irish peasant seanin, who has respect and admiration for his social and racial betters.

by prof. alzheimer Tue Sep 09, 2003 17:36

The execution of Charles I ...
http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/CharlesI_execution.htm

Let us not forget the lessons of history ....

by >>>>>Seáinín Wed Sep 10, 2003 02:54

Lone Gunman, the magna carta is NOT the British constitution. The British constitution (e.g. the present powers of parliament v the monarch)has nver been written down. What British commentators refer to as their "constitution" is the unwritten system of rules, precedents and allocation of power under which the state is governed.

The nearest thing Britain has got to a written constitution is the Act of Settlement of 1688 which severely curtailed the powers of the new monarch, William of Orange.


Magna Carta is the foundation of Common Law in England and Wales (Scotland have a seperate legal system). It is the bedrock on which the British legal system developed with it's obiter dictum tendency to follow the judgements made in previous cases, it is also the basis of trial by jury.

by Ger Thu Sep 11, 2003 02:03

It includes Magna Carta, the Act of Settlement, the Parliament Acts and many constitutional conventions that are not written down. Just because it isn't all written down in one place, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. There are plenty of countries with lovely written constitutions that are in fact tyrannies.

by lone gunman Thu Sep 11, 2003 22:39

Not worth the paper they are written on.As the saying goes.By the time any Brit subject got thru all that you would be none the wiser as to your basic rights in the UK.

by lone gunman Thu Sep 11, 2003 22:39

Not worth the paper they are written on.As the saying goes.By the time any Brit subject got thru all that you would be none the wiser as to your basic rights in the UK.

by Hmmm Thu Sep 11, 2003 23:00

Yes, Lone Gunman, that's what I already said here on this thread three days ago (9.22pm). You catch on fast, don't you?

by lone gunman Thu Sep 11, 2003 23:40

sorry ,been in and out of this debate.But great minds think alike then!

by lone gunman Thu Sep 11, 2003 23:40

sorry ,been in and out of this debate.But great minds think alike then!

by Hmmm. Thu Sep 11, 2003 23:53

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

P.S. What's with all the double postings?