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Jump To Comment: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14This is a friggin' national scandal. I repeat - NATIONAL SCANDAL!!!
Breach of Irish votes wishes, breach of constitution, breach of international law - direct aid to an imperial regime. A complete spit in the face. Arrogance and insult to all that is decent about our strange little society.
TIME FOR DIRECT ACTION!
TIME FOR ORGANISING!
Forget about Faslane, DSEI etc. for now and take on the challenges close to home. This is the biggest, baddest and most necessary challenge facing Irish people - not only the re-colonisation of Ireland but Ireland shamelessly signing up to the principles of the global bully, bomber and mass murderer.
So the Isrealies wanted their missiles shipped back ten years ago.[Proably because the damn things couldn't hit anything anyway].Is this revelant in todays debate?Also would somone like to dig up how much stuff was shipped thru Shannon to Angola,Mozambique,Cuba,and all the other Red influenced third world countries by Aeroflot in the Eighties?There wasnt much whineing then about arms moving thru Shannon.If we are "neutral"[Hahaha] then both sides could move equipment without any problems.
The government has lied to us about everything to do with Shannon. Lone Gunman it is 2001 thatinfo is from that makes it three (3) years old. Brian Cowen told us that there was no arms coming through Shannon, then only small arms in the hold, now we find out that Patriot Missiles were coming through and this info was known by the minister at the time. What are they not telling us? Depleted Uranium? Or Worse?
as an aside there is two C 130's at the airport at the moment.
So what? Patriots can only be used defensively anyway.
Niamh, the point is that they were transported through Shannon Airpost, their standard use is not a factor. They are a very considerable weapon, a lot more than the personal weapons the government told us were only being brought through the airport.
They were allowed by our government to be on the territory of an Irish civilian airport, we are supposed to be a neutral country. Bertie and co have sold our neutrality for thirty pieces of silver.
Why won't they say what was on all those other cargo planes thru shannon?
what the hell are they doing parking explosives at shannon anyway?
Today's Examiner articles are excellent. The research is a credit to the reporter concerned, Michael O'Farrell, and to his sources in the anti-war movement and elsewhere. Incidentally, this is not the first time that O'Farrell has acted as a watch-dog on Irish neutrality, and this is not the first time that he has broken an important story on the subject.
Dublin journalists, wake up. In the meantime, buy de paper, visit de website or whatever
I believe it may have already been brought up, does anybody if the Russian Aeroflot aircraft which landed during the 80s were carrying any forms of weapons. I mean I don't know and I am not saying they did, but it is feasible, so lets not immediately bark at Bertie because he sold us out, why don't we be a bit more realistic, Eamon de Valera sold out our Neutrality in 1940 when he started to detain German Airmen and not the British or US aircrew. I just think its weird, everyone seems to think our neutrality was only sold out recently, Hell its been sold out since before most of us were born!
I thought the Gulf war was in 1991.And according to the De paper [Examiner] that the patriots were shipped then. So there fore the actual event was 10 years ago and the documents came out three years ago.WHY?? Are they being brought up now???
Driboniche makes the same valid point re the Russkies and Aeroflot.Can we find out that info for comparision.I would wager that you would find some MORE nastier stuff being shipped.Like possibly Sarin or Tabun nerve gas.It was rumoured that the stuff was shipped to the Cuban mecercenaries in Angola to comitt mass genocide against the South African supporters.
BTW the missiles are pretty safe in a transported state .You would be more worried about the plane crashing than the bangs of the missiles. BTW DU is rarely if ever shipped by air.Very heavy.It goes by ship,and there is plenty stockpiled in Europe for use.
But the operative word is sold. I don't think our government would allow the russians fly weapons through shannon, what would happen if the americans found out?
We were not threatened with economic sanctions by the russians if we didn't allow them use ireland as a base, I doubt very much that our government felt any ideological sympathy with the russians either so if we did sell our souls back then would have been for a pittance
(i'm not saying it's ok to allow america use ireland as a base even though we had a lot to lose otherwise. we should have taken a stand in accordance with the will of much of the population)
It was ok for the Russians to move equipment thru Shannon?but not for the Americans?What blatant hyprocricsy!Either you allow both super powers or none at all.But then you have to have a viable defence force to do so.What "ecnomic scantions" was put on Ireland about the use of Shannon by the US.?A known example would be good. Just because a couple of factories thought aloud about moving from Shannon,because of the idiots demoing and expressing anti US idelouges,which is a good enough reason for moving INMHO.Does not make it an ecnomic scantion.BTW 60% of the Irish pouplation after the conflict Were in FAVOUR of the US passing thru Shannon.Typical Irish when the shit is over we drop on the safe side of the fence.
come on, If ireland had not allowed America to use our airports we would have fallen on the wrong side of "either with us or against us" that Bush so arrogantly proclaimed. We would have been the another version of france, the 17th of march would be renamed freedom day and alcohol sales in America would plummet...
Even if none of that happened, the Irish government would be able to blame every job loss in this country for the next 50 years on our treason against our paid masters.
And i personally don't think it would have been right if we allowed russia transport weapons through Ireland. Though i'm not sure if i believe that they ever did.
Our neutrality is b.s., anyway. We have a big brother (the UK) and an even bigger brother to defend us (the US). Irish governments have been playing on that for years, while pretending otherwise. Get real, folks.
It's about time you all faced facts. What you do with those facts is up to you but you better understand that we as a country have no power. We could not ever be neutral, even if we wanted to. We are a puppet of larger countries. Just like most other "neutral" countries. Apart from Swizerland, clever bastards. They're neutral to ALL sides but are also prepared for war with any side, as the whole country is ready to take up arms against the foe.
What would we do if we became an unfriendly nation to the US or even the UK. We do not have the ability to protect ourselves from this kind of threat. So wise up guys. Seriously, I don't agree with these countries but until we become a smarter nation, WE HAVE NO SAY!!!!!