Skateboarding is not a crime!

by SP Member Tue Aug 19, 2003 17:36

Skateboarders are a danger to pedestrians. Footpaths, ramps for disabled access, you name it, they will abuse it, cause "accidents" and verbally abuse people. Anti social behaviour like this should not be supported.

I think stakeboard areas should be provided, but there are greater priorities to campaign about.

by Joe Tue Aug 19, 2003 17:53

Getting cheaper insurance for Airline pilots who drive Audi A3s. Skateboards are just a middle class deviation join MIJAG now.

by Another SP member - Socialist Party Tue Aug 19, 2003 18:04

Fair play to the organisers of this meeting - I think the idea of a campaign on this issue is a very good one. I don't think anyone can dispute the fact that young people are generally pushed to the margins in this country, little or no social resources or facilities are provided for them and when they lay claim to a bit of space they are demonised and persecuted.

I absolutely feel that the corporation ought to be heeding the opinions and interests of the youth and ought to provide a centre wherein young people can skateboard and just chill out. Until such a resource is made available, there ought to be specific areas in the city where people can skateboard without being hassled and without disrupting pedestrian traffic - I'm sure that this could be arranged very easily if the Corporation decided to be constructive rather than vindictive.

The rights to a social outlet and a hobby are pretty basic and it is very important to campaign for them. These rights may seen small when compared to the right to medical treatment or free education but the conduct of the state is the same in all spheres, and is based on the same premise - do all you can to ensure that the flow of wealth to the rich goes on, do all you can to minimise the amount that must be invested in the rest of society in order to keep them compliant.

I feel pretty safe in saying that the Socialist Party and Socialist Youth will both support the idea of a campaign on the issue of the state/local authority providing this amenity!

by iosaf (named and traceable suggestions) Tue Aug 19, 2003 18:20

It seems _wise_ to give the skateboarders and their parents a way of constructing a political solution, skateboarders are resilient in the main, one falls off their wheels they survive, young spongey bones and hormones, however one hit's an elderly person coming around a corner = possibly serious accident.

I think skateboarders ought _know_ where they skate and don't skate. I disline the idea of legislating such knowledge that ought come from "good manners". But if the skateboarders can assemble with their parents thus, they stand a better chance of working with the "anti-skateboard" section of their community to build "skating areas".

Skating areas do not have to be built by the state or municipal authorities, they make a good way of using abandoned urban space, they often reclaim brown sites and with some graffiti and parental support offer the community a safe enviroment for all.

It is better that spongey boned youth skate than drug... A skating room is presently being built in CSO Macabre Barcelona (a squatted factory) on 200msq for a cost of 80€ using recycled urban material at the moment.

by Anonymous Tue Aug 19, 2003 18:28

Can't believe they are trying to outlaw skateboarding on the streets!

To me they are a form of entertainment as they perform an act of creativity and skill.

What would society prefer these kids to be doing -hanging around idly on street corners testing out the lastest solvent, smokin cigarettes and beginning their alcoholic careers etc. etc.

For fecks sake giv the kids a break.

by Mike Tue Aug 19, 2003 20:39

Dear SP person -- the issue isn't whether YOU believe there are more urgent matters. Your decision to make what YOU consider important. But those kids, they know what is important to THEMSELVES. If they want to organize around this, more power to them. It's their life.

Now YOU get to make a second decision. Do you help them or not? You want them to grow up to help YOU in your great project, yes? Isn't that what it's all about?

OR -- perhaps your words meant something else. You know what's best "for the people", what things they should want and strive for. Frankly, I have a hell of lot more trust of people working for what THEY perceive are THEIR OWN interests.

by fran Tue Aug 19, 2003 22:23 cork

Perhaps Reclaim The Streets could get in contact with the group to give they ideas for campaigns and express solidarity. I think this is a very important issue in light of the increasing restrictions being placed not only on young people but on the population as a whole. I'm backing the skaters 100%.

Coming from cork and spending alot of time in the city center myself I know the area's in which they skate (wide open spaces for the vast majority) and find the skaters to be obliging and let people pass as well as entertaining to watch.
Seems again that any passtime beyond the traditional GAA and Soccor are again sidelined as valid sports and marginalised.

Policy makers need to think again about supporting the diversity of culture and identity that Cork is now experiencing. The capital of culture 2005 seems to lose sight of the diversity of culture already alive in Cork (see recent evictions of Travellers in the city).

Streets are public amenities and should be for the use of all. If skating is banned today how much further will they go...wearing dangerously high shoes...running...protesting-all dangerous and 'anti-social' behaviours

by Seáinín Wed Aug 20, 2003 02:10

Laws like this are designed to protect fragile old people from being run over.

by SEANIN BOT Wed Aug 20, 2003 04:14

SEANIN IS A TROLL.

He/She/They post(s) comments to indymedia to try to get a rise out of people and waste their time. Trolls are an unfortunate feature of the internet. The are people who abuse the open publishing systems of the internet with behaviour that is intended to be destructive, either because of a twisted personality, or a desire to destroy the project.

DO NOT RESPOND. DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS.

by Tim Wed Aug 20, 2003 15:51

Ireland has more than TWICE as many golf courses as playgrounds. - unless you consider a golf course a playground for the business class, and in the case of men-only members Portmarnock, a playground for rich businessMEN.

46% of local authorities make no provision for playgrounds. green areas are disappearing to 'progress' - hence kids play in the streets and get hit by cars. - the same cars that knock over old fragile people too.

maybe when they start charging a 'user fee' for playgrounds the PD's will build more... so will they take away the children's lollipops as payment for using the swings?

As for SKATE PARKS? what are they?????

Well, there's a great one in Melbourne (near where I lived for 5 months) and it's full of life, with little rubber-boned people in helmets and kneepads defying gravity, and having fun. There was nobody shooting up or shooting guns.

But then again in Melbourne, they have good public transport, clean drinking water available in drinking fountains in the city centre streets.

All of these things are impossible in Ireland hecause
a> the equator, gravitational/magnetic field of the earth makes such things impossible in the northern hemisphere (what about Amsterdam then?)

b> the 'responsible powers that be' are too attached to the old fashioned gombeen mentality.

by Mags Wed Aug 20, 2003 16:55

If a tender was put out for contractors to build skate parks and it was assured that the land would be bought from FF landowners and the tax relief and subsidies for building it would go to their mates and of course a few consultants would have to be employed at vast cost. In about 15 years time we might have a skate park - just in time for the kids of the current skaters. That is the way it works here.

I agree about the lack of playgrounds, it is disgraceful. However it might just be improving slightly - I know of TWO excellent playgrounds opened in the past year. But there should be a decent and safe playground in every suburb - hardly too much to ask.

by Quantum theory - CSA cork skateboarders assoc. Wed Aug 20, 2003 18:17

The government is just not willing to support non voters. Children aren't getting much of a say in things and only after a harsh un response to its protection of the rights of children is the gov. doing anything about it. Skatebooading is not a menace it's a way of life. Anti Social? I've gotten to know more people from cork in the past year and a half skateboarding ever. And it's only anti social to outsiders if they don't respect and lok down on our culture.

by keet - moralminority Wed Aug 20, 2003 19:50

Footpaths Are For Pedestrians
by SP Member Tuesday, Aug 19 2003, 4:36pm


Skateboarders are a danger to pedestrians. ............. cause "accidents" and verbally abuse people. Anti social behaviour like this should not be supported.

cars are a danger to pedestrians, both phyicaly and in health (what do we breathe) they cause acciedents.... moterists verbally abuse people too. car culture have gotta be the most anti social behavior......

i dont skate, but do recognise skateboarding as a transport solution......

by pat c Thu Aug 21, 2003 16:22

roads arent safe for skateboarders, but skaters make footpaths unsafe for pedestrians. it is not a paticularly safe, clever or social way of commuting. but it is an enjoyable form of recreation.

skateboard areas should be provided. a new park has just opened on corner of gardiner and seran macdermott streets, it would have cost very little to fit out a portion of this park as a skate area.

its a worldwide debate though, see whats happening in kansas doothy!

Posted on Thu, Aug. 21, 2003

Gillham Park neighbors look askance on skateboard proposal
By APRIL MIDDLETON and MATT CAMPBELL
The Kansas City Star

Zach Wilson's life centers on skateboarding.

By day, he runs a skate shop. By night, he rides. Now he wants a nice place to skate in Kansas City.

And that has him at odds with Laura Norris.

Her house overlooks Gillham Park. She's spent the last 10 years watching kids whack T-balls and adults smack golf balls. But now she's worried that Wilson and other skaters will take over the park.

Norris and other residents believe they've been cut out of the process to choose a site for the skateboard park. A consultant has recommended using a portion of Gillham Park south of 39th Street, where ball diamonds now exist.

Five neighborhood associations around the park have other ideas. They want to restore it as close as possible to its original design of a century ago.

The two sides Wilson and Norris represent will meet at 5:30 tonight in Gillham Park to discuss the park's future. The meeting was arranged by city and parks officials who also will attend.

Finding more places for skateboarders has been an issue for about a year, since Mayor Kay Barnes publicly reprimanded skaters for damaging sidewalks, railings and planters downtown. There are skateboard parks in the suburbs and in Kansas City, North, but not in the city south of the Missouri River.

Skaters complain they are kicked out of other parks that ban their 180s, Ollies and other tricks. They want their own space.

They have the support of Councilman Jim Rowland, whose district includes Gillham Park. Rowland said he favors the consultant's recommendation of Gillham Park even though it angers some residents.

"You won't find a neighborhood in which everyone is for this," Rowland said. "There is a negative perception of skateboarders." Rowland isn't buying into it, though. He said those stereotypes, like most others, are false.

Wilson, 26, said he and his friends are harmless.

"It's really a community thing," Wilson said. "Every day, 27-year-olds skate with 12-year-olds. It's really not what most people think it is."

Neighbors are asking: Why Gillham Park? Wilson's response is simple: Why not?

"It's the perfect spot. There are already a lot of young people skating near there anyway," Wilson said. "We will put some much-needed life into this area of Kansas City."

Neighbors see things differently.

"We as a neighborhood are very fragile," Norris said. "We are getting stronger, but we hate to see something that could turn all that progress around again."

She said residents believe they have been left out of much of the process. Residents want issues of lighting, access, hours and maintenance to be addressed before the park is approved.

Norris said she is apprehensive that the skaters may be the only ones using the park.

"We don't want to be the NIMBY, not in my back yard, types," Norris said. "But we want our community to be healthy. So far, what we've seen doesn't prove that this park would aid in doing that."

Hyde Park resident Dona Boley said many residents question the proposal. A survey of about 60 respondents from nearby neighborhoods showed more than 75 percent were opposed to a skateboard park as currently proposed, Boley said.

Chief concerns include noise and nighttime activity in close proximity to residences east of the park and an increase in criminal activity.

Building a skateboard park in Gillham Park would require the approval of the Board of Parks and Recreation Commissioners.

Now the neighbors want their say.

"It has put us in a position of having to negotiate...rather than be partners in the discussion of where the site goes," Boley said.

Rowland hopes tonight's meeting will engage the neighborhood and the skaters in a conversation.

"This is an important issue, and we need to have some serious and informed dialogue going on," Rowland said.


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To reach April Middleton, call (816) 234-4338 or send e-mail to [email protected]

by pat c Thu Aug 21, 2003 16:27

This is a list of Dublin City councillors, so getb lobbying them to provide skate-board areas.

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Dublin City Councillors
Listed Alphabetically




Cllr. Christopher Andrews,
39, Dún Emer Road
Dundrum,
Dublin 16
(FF)
Ph. 295 5864(H)
/087 285 1515
email:
[email protected]
Electoral Ward: Pembroke



Cllr. Charlie Ardagh T.D.
168 Walkinstown Road,
Dublin 12
(FF)
Tel: 087 252 7501
Fax. 408 0436
email: [email protected]

Electoral Ward: Crumlin/Kimmage




Cllr. Royston Brady,
The Lord Mayor,
The Mansion House,
Dawson Street, Dublin 2
(FF)
Ph. 707 2688
086 854 3275
/087 240 5733
Fax: 707 2688
email:
[email protected]
Electoral Ward: North Inner City


Ald. Martin Brady T.D.,
37 Grangemore Drive,
Dublin 13
(FF)
Ph. 848 4509(H)
/ 087 220 3158
618 33 68(W).
Fax. 618 4557
email: [email protected]
Electoral Ward: Donaghmede



Cllr Gerry Breen,
23 Vernon Drive,
Clontarf,
Dublin 3
(FG)
Ph. 087 256 78 11
email: [email protected]
Electoral Ward: Clontarf

Cllr. Richard Bruton, T.D,
210 Griffith Avenue,
Drumcondra,
Dublin 9
(FG)
Ph. 618 3103 (W);
836 8185 (H);
FAX: 618 4501
email:
[email protected]
Electoral Ward: Artane


Cllr. Christy Burke,
Members Room ,
City Hall,
Dublin 2.
(S.F.)
Ph. 832 9181 (H);
086 812 6347;
FAX: 672 3702
email: [email protected]
Electoral Ward: North Inner City




Cllr. Catherine Byrne,
30 Bulfin Road,
Inchicore,
Dublin 8.
(FG)
Ph. 086 854 32 76
email:
[email protected]
Electoral Ward: South West Inner City










Cllr. Eibhlin Byrne,

191 Howth Road,

Killester,

Dublin 3. (F.F.)

Tel: 853 5863

Fax: 853 0072

Email: [email protected]

Electoral Ward: Clontarf





Cllr. Eric Byrne,
32 Ashdale Road,
Terenure,
Dublin 6W.
(Lab)
Tel/Fax. 490 1305;
087 254 8429;
E-mail:[email protected]
Electoral Ward: Crumlin/Kimmage




Ald. Pat Carey T.D.,
Dail Eireann,
Dublin 2
(FF)
Ph. 618 3377 (W);
864 4118(O);
FAX: 618 3638
email: [email protected]

Electoral Ward: Finglas




Cllr. Brendan Carr,
82 Kinvara Road,
Navan Road,
Dublin 7.
(Lab)
Ph. 874 97 31/
087 207 59 21
Fax: 878 00 88
email: [email protected]

Electoral Ward: Cabra







Councillor Anne Carter,

8 EltonDrive,

Ard-na-Greine,

Dublin 13

(Lab)

Email: [email protected]

Electoral Ward: Donaghmede


Ald. Michael Conaghan,
33 Lally Road,
Ballyfermot, Dublin 10
(Lab)
Ph. 626 9892 (H);
453 5358 (W);

email: [email protected]

Electoral Ward: Ballyfermot



Cllr. Niamh Cosgrave,
6 Foxfield Road,
Raheny,
Dublin 5.
(FG)
Ph. 831 0667 (H);
839 5616 (W),
087-274 4707;
FAX: 831 0359
email:[email protected]
or [email protected]

Electoral Ward: Donaghmede






Cllr. Emer Costello,

66 Aughrim Street,

Dublin 7.

(Lab.)

Tel: 838 5355

Email: [email protected]

Electoral Ward: North Inner City


Cllr. Anthony Creevey,
39 Ferrycarrig Park,
Coolock,
Dublin 17.
(F.F.)
Ph. 086 812 6341
email:
[email protected]

Electoral Ward: Artane



Ald. Michael Donnelly,
33 Glendoher Avenue,
Rathfarnham,
Dublin 16
(FF)
Ph. 493 1074
/ 497 0935(W)
Fax: 496 006 1
email:
[email protected]

Electoral Ward: Rathmines





Cllr. Ger Dorgan,

12 Ardbeg Park,

Artane,

Dublin 5.

(Ind.)

Tel: 847 1607 (H); 086 0842858

Fax: 847 1607


Email: [email protected]

Electoral Ward: Clontarf

Ald. Joe Doyle,
14 Simmonscourt Terrace,
Donnybrook,
Dublin 4
(F.G.)
Ph. 269 2391(W)
Fax: 618 45 66
Email: [email protected]

Electoral Ward: Pembroke




Cllr. Dessie John Ellis,
19 Dunsink Road,
Finglas West,
Dublin 11.
(S.F.)
Ph. 834 33 90(W)
086 854 19 41
Fax: 672 3702
email: [email protected]

Electoral Ward: Finglas













Cllr. Orla Farrell,

54 Blackheath Park,

Dublin 3.

(Lab)

Tel: 833 6706 (H); 086 8747054

Email: [email protected]

Electoral Ward: Clontarf




Cllr. Senator Liam Fitzgerald,
117 Tonlegee Road,
Raheny, Dublin 5
(FF)
Ph. 847 0632 (H)
/ 618 31 52(W)
/ 087 231 9200
Fax: 618 45 87
email: [email protected]

Electoral Ward: Donaghmede


Cllr . Frances Fitzgerald T.D.,
116 Georgian Village
Castleknock
Dublin 15.
(FG)
Ph. 821 17 96 (H)
/ 618 3771 (W)
Fax: 618 4511
email:[email protected]

Electoral Ward: Rathmines



Cllr. Senator Dr. Dermot Fitzpatrick,T.D.
Dail Eireann
Dublin 2
(FF)
Ph. 838 7515(H)
/ 618 36 99(W)
/ 086 812 6332
Fax: 618 45 64
email: [email protected]

Electoral Ward: Cabra



Cllr. Mary Freehill,
77 Grove Road,
Harolds Cross,
Dublin 6.
(Lab.)
Ph. 496 4777
/ 086 812 6378
Fax: 464 0494
email: [email protected]

Electoral Ward: Rathmines



Cllr. John Gallagher,
27 The Coombe,
Dublin 8
(Lab)
Ph. 454 75 01 (H)
/ 453 86 48 (W)
email:
[email protected]

Electoral Ward: South West Inner City








Cllr. Sheila Gallogly,

143 Malahide Road,

Donnycarney,

Dublin 9. (F.F.)

Tel: 475 0555(w)

851 2072 (h)

Mobile: 087 865 25 59

Email: [email protected]


Electoral Ward: Ballymun/Whitehall











Cllr. David Gaynor,

61 Benmadigan Road,

Drimnagh,

Dublin 12.

(F.F.)

Tel: 087 2510979

Email: [email protected]

Electoral Ward: Crumlin/Kimmage



Cllr. Chris Giblin,
24 Iona Crescent,
Glasnevin, Dublin 9.
(FG)
Ph. 830 85 39
/ 08 7 293 12 52
email:
[email protected]

Electoral Ward: Cabra



Ald. Tony Gregory T.D.,
Dail Eireann,
Dublin 2
(Indep)
Ph. 618 3488 (Dail);
087 812 6348;
Fax: 618 4195
email: [email protected]

Electoral ward: North Inner City






Deputy Lord Mayor,
Cllr. Deirdre Heney,
12 Sion Hill Road,
Whitehall, Dublin 9
(FF)
Ph. 618 4369 (O);
086 811 8072,
FAX: 618 4551
email: [email protected]

Electoral Ward: Ballymun/Whitehall



Cllr. Kevin Humphreys,
14 O' Connell Gardens,
Bath Avenue,
Sandymount,
Dublin 4.
(Lab)
Ph. 087 298 9103;
668 6854 (H)
Fax: 667 8097
email:
[email protected]
Electoral Ward: South East Inner City


Cllr. Vincent Jackson,
38 Drumfinn Avenue,
Ballyfermot,
Dublin 10
Community
Ph. 626 4341(H)(after 7pm)
459 46 66 (W);
086 812 6330
Fax: 459 35 23
email:[email protected]

Electoral Ward: Ballyfermot



Cllr. Garry Keegan,
1 Harrington Street,
Dublin 8.
(FF)
Tel: 478 1325(w)
086 2358913
FAX: 478 1347
email:
[email protected]

Electoral Ward: South East Inner City


Cllr. Nicky Kehoe,
58 Faussagh Ave.,
Cabra West,
Dublin 7.
(SF)
Ph. 838 1199
/838 1192
/086 8541942
email:
[email protected]

Electoral Ward: Cabra




Cllr. Sean Kenny,
44 Woodbine Road,
Raheny, Dublin 5
(Labour)
Ph. 848 1806;
086 812 6340
Fax: 848 1806
email: [email protected]

www.seankenny.ie

Electoral Ward: Donaghmede




Cllr. Senator Tony Kett,
54 Whitehorn Road,
Artane,
Dublin 5
(FF)
Ph. 618 3503 (W)
email:
[email protected]

Electoral Ward: North Inner City




Cllr.Dermot Lacey,

66 Beechill Drive,
Dublin 4
(Lab.)
Ph. 678 4706(H);
087 264 6960;

email:[email protected]
or [email protected]

Electoral Ward: Pembroke




Cllr. Sean Paul Mahon,

5 Mornington Park,

Malahide Road,

Artane,

Dublin 9

(F.F.)

Tel: 818 7501

Fax: 831 3940

Email: [email protected]

Electoral Ward: Artane



Cllr. Marian McGennis,
44 Bramley Walk,
Bramley Woods,
Dublin 15.
(FF)
Ph. 821 2340 (H);
086 854 3277

email: [email protected]

Electoral Ward: Ballyfermot


Cllr. Ruairi McGinley,
14 BewleyAvenue,
Willsbrook,Lucan
Co. Dublin.
(F.G)
Ph. 624 0992(H);
086 830 1111
email:
[email protected]

Electoral Ward: Crumlin/Kimmage




Cllr. Ryan Meade,

93 Clonmacnoise Road,

Dublin 12
(Green)
086 817 6657(M)
email:
[email protected]

Electoral Ward: Rathmines


Ald. Mary Mooney,
"Springmount",
Rugged Lane,
Strawberry Beds, Dublin 20
(FF)
Ph.086 812 6387
email:
[email protected]

Electoral Ward: South West Inner City











Cllr. Mary Murphy,

24 Clancy Avenue,

Finglas,

Dublin 11.

Tel: 086 3835945

Fax: 618 4380

Email: [email protected]

Electoral Ward: Finglas




Cllr. Eamonn O'Brien,
58 Knowth Court,
Ballymun, Dublin 11
(Labour)
Ph: 842 6640 (H);
086 812 6345
email: [email protected]

Electoral Ward: Ballymun/Whitehall



Cllr. Larry O'Toole,
31 Buttercup Park,
Darndale, Dublin 17.
(SF)
Ph. 086 854 1940
Fax: 672 3702
email: [email protected]

Electoral Ward: Artane


Cllr. John Stafford,
60 North Strand,
Dubiln 3,
(FF)
Ph. 855 05 55(H)
086 812 6335
Fax: 855 6307
email:
[email protected]

Electoral Ward: Clontarf



Cllr. Tony Taaffe,
Finglas House,
1 Main Street,
Finglas, Dublin 1.
(FF)
Ph. 834 4959(W);
086 257 9156
Fax: 834 6464
email:
[email protected]

Electoral Ward: Finglas



Cllr. Claire Wheeler,

27 Oaklands Park,

Dublin 4.

(Green)

Ph. 660 8582

Mobile No. 086 3831335

Email: [email protected]

Electoral W

by Mike M. Thu Aug 21, 2003 17:53

Nice gesture Pat C., but wrong city! Here's the list of Cork City Council members. And remember when they brush you off that there's a local election coming up!

NORTH EAST
Alderman Mairin Quill, 1 Wellesley Tce., Wellington Road, Cork. (Progressive Democrats) Tel: (home) 021 4551677. (Dáil) 01 6789911. e-mail: [email protected]
Councillor Tim Brosnan, 7 St. Christopher's Road, Montenotte, Cork. (Fianna Fáil) Tel: (home) 021 4504326. (office) 021 4317888. e-mail: [email protected]
Councillor Liam BurkeThe Gove, Douglas Hall, Cork. (Fine Gael) e-mail: [email protected] Councillor Billy Kelleher T.D., 28a Ballyhooley Road, Dillons Cross, Cork. (Fianna Fáil) Tel: (home) 021 4821045 (office) 021 4502289, (mobile) 087 2580521. e-mail: [email protected]
Councillor John Kelleher, 34 Silverheights Drive, Mayfield, Cork. (Labour) Tel: (home) 021 4509965 e-mail: [email protected]

NORTH CENTRAL
Councillor Gary O'Flynn "Melvindale House",Coolowen,Blarney, Co. Cork.(Tel. No. 4382500) (Fianna Fáil.)
Councillor Catherine Clancy, 5 Farrancleary,Assumption Road,Cork. Tel. (office) 021 4399930 (Labour)
Councillor Patricia Gosch, Castlejane,Glanmire,Co. Cork.(Tel. No. 4822437) (Fine Gael).
Councillor Damien Wallace, 28 Shandon Street, Cork. (Fianna Fáil) Tel: (home) 021 4503695. (office) 021 4211891(mobile) 087 2573510. e-mail: [email protected]
Councillor Con O'Leary, 1 St. Rita's Avenue, Gurranabraher, Cork. (Non-Party) Tel: (home) 021 4300699 (office) 021 4300699. e-mail: [email protected]

NORTH WEST
Alderman David McCarthy, 8 Hillcrest Avenue, Blarney Road, Cork. (Fianna Fáil) Tel: (home) 021 4302626. e-mail: [email protected]
Councillor Tim Falvey, Falcal Heights", Clogheen, Blarney Road, Cork. (Fianna Fáil) Tel: (home) 021 4391688. e-mail: [email protected]
The Right Honourable The Lord Mayor of Cork, Councillor Colm Burke, “Gleann Rua”, 36 Farranlea Grove, Model Farm Road, Cork. (Fine Gael) Tel: (work) 021 4272242. e-mail: [email protected]
Councillor Michael O’Connell, 78 Briars Court, Shanakiel, Cork. (Labour) Tel: (home) 021 4396708, (work) 021 4392487, (mobile) 086 8351333. e-mail: [email protected]
Councillor Jonathon O'Brien, 11 Fairfield Green, Farranree, Cork. (Sinn Fein). Tel: 021 4302530. e-mail: [email protected]

SOUTH EAST
Alderman Terry Shannon, 33 Lake Lawn, Well Road, Douglas, Cork. (Fianna Fáil). Tel: 021 4364385. e-mail: [email protected]
Councillor Deirdre Clune,Douglas Village East, Douglas, Cork. (Fine Gael). Tel: (work) 021 4890000. e-mail: [email protected]
Councillor Jim Corr, "Kakuri", Hettyfield, Douglas, Cork. (Fine Gael) Tel: (home) 021 4291400. e-mail: [email protected]
Councillor Denis O'Flynn, 1 Dunvale Rise, Frankfield, Douglas, Cork. (Labour) Tel: (home) 021 4361522.
Councillor Donal Counihan, 17 Silverdale Avenue, Silverdale Estate, Ballinlough, Cork. (Fianna Fáil) Tel: (home) 021 4295245. (office) 021 4904717. (mobile) 086 3399479. e-mail:[email protected]
Councillor Teresa O'Brien, "Harrodean",Woodview,Douglas Road,Cork.(Tel. No. 4290143) (Progressive Democrats).

SOUTH CENTRAL
Alderman Con O’Connell, 40 Hillview Estate, Tramore Road, Cork. (Non Party) Tel. (home) 021 4963380. (mobile) 087 2729155.
Councillor Sean Martin, 137 Evergreen Road, Turner's Cross, Cork. (Fianna Fáil) Tel: (home) 021 4505510, (mobile) 087 2908298. e-mail: [email protected]
Councillor Tom O'Driscoll. 95 Fr. Dominic Rd., Ballyphehane, Cork. (Fianna Fáil) Tel: (home) 021 4317190. e-mail: [email protected]
Councillor Denis Cregan, Deputy Lord Mayor, 7 Elm Grove, Ballinlough, Cork. (Fine Gael) Tel: (home) 021 4291863. (mobile) 087 2429942. e-mail: [email protected]
Councillor Chris O'Leary, 17 Loughmahon Road, Mahon, Cork. (Green) Tel: (home) 021 4357570

SOUTH WEST
Councillor Fergal Dennehy, "Pallasmore",Deanwood Avenue,Togher,Cork.(Tel. No. 4319551)(Mobile: 086 0824099)(Fianna Fáil)
Councillor Mary Sheilds, 48 Halldene Avenue, Bishopstown, Cork. (Fianna Fáil). Tel: (home) 021 4544486. e-mail: [email protected]
Councillor Michael Ahern3 Kenley Crescent, Westgate Road, Bishopstown, Cork. (Labour) Tel: (home) 021 4342521. (office) 021 4326100. e-mail: [email protected]
Councillor Brian Bermingham12 Woodbrook Grove, Bishopstown, Cork. (Fine Gael) Tel: (home) 021 4543775. (office) 021 4345655. e-mail: [email protected]
Councillor P.J. Hourican.. 20 Fremont Drive, Bishopstown, Cork. (Fine Gael) Tel: (home) 021 4343166. (office) 021 4975550. e-mail: [email protected]

by pat c Thu Aug 21, 2003 17:58

I posted it so that Dublin based punters would lobby DCC! There are skateboarders in Dublin as well you know!

by 2legs4wheels Fri Aug 22, 2003 18:05

new skate-park in Galway,
good ramp, a few rails and jumps, loads of space...
kinda looks like you could make one yourself, maybe not as good, but..

Its fair enough to be lobbying your local TDs, whinging to your councillors, and generally pissing in the wind,
BUT
Is that the kind of world we want; you know, have to beg from the boss man to get someone to do it for us, eventually, maybe, and then its not ours really, its theirs.

as we all know, if you want something done, ya gotta do it yourself
you know what I mean; Every cul-de-sac could have a home-made ramp,

bits of wood, nails, Imagination somebodies Dad must has a drill.

reclaim some of that wasted space thats lying around.
Those TDs dont give a fuck about you or your skateboarding, make sure you remember that when you go sending your letters to all those dicks on PatC's list. They dont give a fuck,
youre better off using the time doing something useful like doing it yourself.

by jc Fri Aug 22, 2003 23:42

if any skaters want ot contact rts about skating would love to here from ya

we've been working onthe idea already

at [email protected]


altough nobody owns or is he rts so one could be started in cork if you wished

by Philip Andrews - Cork Skateboarding Assocation Sun Aug 24, 2003 23:20

I am so sick of non-skateboarders making assumptions about skateboarding.

Lets clear a few thing up here.

1. Skateboarding is not dangerous. I have been skateboarding 4 years I have not got a serious injury. Injury stats prove skateboarding tobe alot safe than traditional sports like basketball and soccer.

2. Not all skateboarders are kids. I am 23.

3. Skateboarders are no more a threat to pedestrians than say a bike or a jogger.

4. Skateboarders do not abusive property, they find a creative use for an otherwise mundain objective. You see three steps, we see kickflips, 360 flips, backside ollie etc.

5. Skateboarding is incredible difficult, its takes years of commitment to get good at.

by real SP Mon Aug 25, 2003 19:09

I think its quite clear that the first comment was not made by a member of the SY or the SP. Fuck off ya stupid fucker

by R Isible Tue Aug 26, 2003 23:45

In the name of whatever you care about Pat C, provide a feckin URL instead of cutting and pasting long screeds, long lists etc -- it's _much_ more informative and makes the thread _readable_. We're all capable of clicking on the little link. Here's a free example of how to do this:

by Giles carey Wed Feb 04, 2004 12:13 slash37047 at hotmail dot com 37047

I have done alot of skating and were ever i go i get told off by the local people and i feel as though their schould be a skate park opend by the skate kids some were cheap sorry got to go

by David Wed Feb 04, 2004 12:27

Skateboarding looks like a lot of fun. it looks exciting and it is a very impressive skill that takes practise and dedication to get good at.
Skating is a culture, a way for people to meet other people, interact, make friends, form a society.
If young people are banned from skating what are they gonna do instead? there might be a few less sprain injuries but I would predict a large increase in isolation, alienation, depression and suicide among young people.
basically,
PEOPLE NEED FREEDOM TO WANT TO SURVIVE!!!
all these regulations drain the life and soul form people and turn positive creative energy bad

by Danny Scott Fri Mar 05, 2004 16:27

It is ridiculous to assume that skaters are not as much pedestriand, as people who are walking.
People without skateboards are just as likely to verbally abuse as those with, so that is a bullshit arguement.
As for injuring the elderly, I have never, ever, not even once, heard of a non-skater pedestrian being struck by someone on a skateboard, the same injurys could happen if someone ran into them, why not ban running!?
The streets of Cork are a public place. We are the public. We either pay taxes or will in the future. It's our public space, to skate in, or even to ride around on a monkey propelled unicycle. If you don't like it, support the building of public skateparks.

by ryan - my self Fri Apr 23, 2004 17:10 ryanhamling at rebelnet dot com 1212lilac dr lochbuie co 303-659-7640

for me if it wasnt for skatebording i would be in a fight every day boarding isnt just a thing to do it is a way of life for me and i think that if people have a problem with it look at how much your jobs mean to u then u might understand

by gwizz - www.gwizz.tk Fri Dec 03, 2004 23:04 garywilko at hotmail dot com none of your business 0860556972

you are obviously a cranky old woman who has had a bad incident with a skateboarder. you are very idiotic to think that we will all give you abuse (only some of us). and if thats what is wrong, blame people who give you verbal abuse. at least it keeps us off the streets, at least we are not in a field dinking. so you think about that. typical crank. if you want to apologize go to www.gwizz.tk

by jimbo Sat Dec 04, 2004 16:52

to skateboard in a public space used by ordinary people- including your 'cranky old ladies' who've contributed to this society all their lives much more than you have- is the height of selfishness and inconsideration. If you want to change laws then do something to fight for green space and recreational areas for all to enjoy( with skatebord drome included) in urban areas- before the developers are allowed to swallow it all up.

by Sam Boazman Sun Dec 05, 2004 11:53

Some skateboarders are living in la la land. Skateboarding is a way of life it is more than a sport/hobbie it takes you to some other level, you should hear yourselves. The argument about it keeping you off the streets and stopping getting into fight what a load of crap.

You winge and moan about how there are no skate parks in Ireland, but what you fail to realise is that your local county council is not divinely inspired. These things get built if there is enough people asking for them. So if gangs of skateboarders spent less time kicking the shit out of each other over territory and got together they might get something done.

Frankly there are not enough skateboarders in Ireland to make a difference, it is very much a minority sport which skateboarders try to keep to themselves and exclude anyone who isn't one of them. I have never heard of any big skate events in Ireland except in Tramore in Waterford where they are pretty much accepted because at least they try to get the public involved.

Sport is not all about those who do it it should be there for the public aswell. So stop winging that the public like the public spaces are there for your personal use and give something back.

anyway all the skateboarders who are any good from Ireland are over in England or the States. The rest of you are just shite.

by respectable skateboardin citizen - None Fri Aug 26, 2005 01:58 clare.dermott at btinternet dot com 0151 356 6559

People thinking skateboarders are abusive thugs are imbeciles, skaters are normal people like bill the neighbours son. They dont spend their days abusing and injuiring people. Maybe you are confused as to what the difference between a boarder and a chav(scallies, rudys ) is. Boarders are pleasent sometimes withdrawn people from all paths of life. Whereas Scallies go around drinking taking drugs mugging people terrorising the old and weak or anyone weaker than them even assaulting small children. Go hassle them those whose deeds are true to your accusations. They are the enemy of boarders also as when we skate at night they attack us and steal our skateboards.
Also the idea of skater turf wars is imbecilic skaters are a community not warring tribes

by iosaf Fri Aug 26, 2005 03:02

skateboarders belong to a community, cool.
you're not rudies or thugs or trainspotters, groovy.
But one thing you are, is noisy. Now during the day that's not a problem, for most people on your happening route, but after midnight when the street is empty and you can brave those tricks and acrobatics without fear of being run over, by a relatively silent car on pneumatic wheels, or a stealth level of aucustic pollution causing member of the bicycle community,
you make noise.
a lot of it.

Too much noise for one person. Its like djs, they have fun, they're fashionable, many aren't rudeys, they support a multi-billion euro industry and they have no idea of what its like to have listen to them next door at 1am.

So until your community can sort it out, amongst yourselves using your world renowned support groups, pressure groups and financial lobbies, I'm going to continue adding my name to the growing campaign to have you shot.

by Thomas Keogh - Ogra Fianna Fail Fri Aug 26, 2005 03:06 thomaskeogh at ogra dot ie 65-66 Lower Mount Street, Dublin 2. (01) 6761551

What is the big deal about skateboarding?! It isn't a big issue, we have enough parks and public spaces. No need to create more!

by iosaf Tue Dec 20, 2005 12:52

Anyone who read my comments on this thread and has gone through the whole gamut of my posts over the years knows I am "anti-skateboard". Ironically since I lived in the only city in Europe (barcelona) where skateboarding was not covered by municipal regulations and could not be deemed "illegal".

Then came Ryanair (another of my pet hates). Ryanair brings over 2 million tourists and travellers to my city
a year. & many of them are "rude". They piss and shit on the street, they whore on the street, they make noise till the small hours and sleep in the park. And then strangely the "tripartite" "most original left wing coalition in european history" which governs both city and country (Catalonia) did a U-turn.

The mayor (Mr Clos) has proposed a raft of measures on what he terms "incivism". & he wants to give local and national police power to fine citizens for :-
* skateboarding.
* graffiti.
* sleeping in the park.
* urinating or defacating.
* prostitution.
* selling anything (hawking)
* begging
* eating or selling food in public spaces
* hanging washing from balconies.
* making excessive noise
* kicking a football about
* busking
* and most nefarious of all - Washing at a public fountain or taking "free water" home to the hovel to cook with it.

We mobilised _for the first time_ in history various skateboarders the other night for an evening of protest.
http://barcelona.indymedia.org/newswire/display/222123/index.php
During which 1,500Metres squared of the city was graffited again (over the last months most of the best murals have been painted over) and within 24 hours the council (at a cost of 7,000€) painted over them yet again. We are now in a pitched political battle against the council. We have politicised those who before had no opinion beyond a bracelet. & we are serious. This campaign has called another mobilisation for Thursday 22nd December. What is at stake is the atmosphere of a city, and the freedom of the street. These new laws aim to penalise poverty to further facilitate the sale of the city's real estate to "the squeeky clean".