Cork neo-nazi met by anti-nazi activists today as he attempted to hold a 'public meeting'

by Ali la Pointe - fu-fighting anti-imperialistas Thu Jul 31, 2003 20:43

I was going to write something nasty about how stupid boneheads are, and their proud use of the term "revisionist", but I can feel my strings being pulled by George Bush and his Zionist puppetmasters and I... can't ... quite... get my fff.ingerrs to the kkeyybb..oarddd. Or maybe I am just hungry and want to go home for my tea and couldn't be arsed with insignificant asswipes like Wallace. Come to think of it, while it's important to nip neonazi political organisation in the bud (well done, by the way)"mainstream" politicians who tout the kind of "respectable" prejudice which reinforces societal racism, are in my view the real danger at this point. Still I hope it was fun!

by Anti-Nazi Thu Jul 31, 2003 20:46

Well done to everyone who stopped Wallace from peddling his neo-Nazi propaganda on the streets of Cork today. If he tries wo do it again we should follow the advice of Trotsky on how to deal with fascists - aquaint his head with a kerbstone!

by Nazi-watch Thu Jul 31, 2003 20:49

Mainstream politicians like Noel O'Flynn and Joe O'Callaghan are more dangerous (and they've got to be opposed too) but that doesn't mean we should ignore gobshites like Wallace. We don't want a neo-nazi organisation emerging in Cork because we slept on the job!

by Seáinín Fri Aug 01, 2003 02:22

It's clear what these Anti Nazi people are a front for.

I'm in favour of free speech for everyone, however repugnant the views expressed.

Once we stop talking we're in real trouble.

by eman Fri Aug 01, 2003 02:41

While I have great respect for those who went and displayed their opposition to this speacker I find myself disapointed that they failed to do so in a peaceful fashion .This very site is a testimony to the importance of freedom of speach and so I find it very disturbing that violence(aquaint his head with a kerbstone) and repression should be used to deal with this kind of insidious ignorance(neo-nazi) .Please let us not forget what differentiates us from them.

by j.p. - swp Fri Aug 01, 2003 05:44

and we shooed him away good,oh yes.

by Sick of smug hypocrites Fri Aug 01, 2003 12:54

"follow the advice of Trotsky on how to deal with fascists - aquaint his head with a kerbstone!"

Captain pickaxe head came to a bad end at the hands of his erstwhile comrades. There's a lesson in there someplace.

by King Mob Fri Aug 01, 2003 15:13

But shithead Brian has a point. Cheering about how you obstructed his right to leaflet and speak, while demanding that right for yourselves in Galway, stinks of fascism.

by Jimmy Sands Fri Aug 01, 2003 15:45

Of course we all accept free speech is an importan construct but there is a racist mood in Cork at the moment similar to that in dublin 2 years ago.

This perosns right to freedom of speech cannot be allowed to interfere with the rights of other people to live unmolested.

by Anti-Fascist Action Fri Aug 01, 2003 16:15 afa at ireland dot com PO Box 3355, Dublin 7

Good news indeed. By all accounts Wallace is a right freak but this does not give him the right to promote fascism. Keep up the good work :)

by John Fri Aug 01, 2003 19:17

Just look at his site hes a nutcase!

by Ali la Pointe - fu-fighting anti-imperialistas Fri Aug 01, 2003 20:54

Either you have a liberal-universalist view of rights or you don't. I don't; I treat democracy, rights, the law, all those arenas defined by liberal discourses, like the internet, trades unions, the workplace and the street, as sites of struggle. We live in societies where these discourses have had dominance for nigh on 300 years and the result is we have a high proportion of whites prosecuting blacks using anti-racist legislation, loyalists complaining they are discriminated against by the Orange State, men claiming they are the real victims of domestic violence and nazis using freedom of speech principles to give themselves the wriggling room to peddle the kind of hatred that leads to pogroms, the burning of asylum hostels, the desecration of graveyards and petrol and pipe bomb attacks on people from Black and Ethnic Minority backgrounds. This shit really happens, it's not some kind of leftie cliche or abstraction. You just have to look at Rostock, or Oldham, or more recently Ballymena or South Belfast. Nazis start off by handing out leaflets denying the holocaust. Make a few contacts. Get enough numbers to have the confidence to produce "blacks out" stickers. If they're unopposed they take it further, the next thing is the thirteen-year-old stoned on her way home from school, the pipe bomb or petrol bomb through the living room window of some family, tire and cross burnings, a stabbing. The distance they take it is a question of the confidence they have.
Now, I'm not saying it's always appropriate to deny someone their freedom of speech if you don't agree with it. I'm not. What I am saying is the universal application of that liberal shibboleth protects people whose agenda is to deny others much more fundamental rights (the right to life, the right to live free from fear or harassment, the right to freely associate, the right to work etc). In this context I salute those anti-fascists
who used a minimum of intimidation to prevent someone from organising a hate organisation. Whatever about Trotsky (i am an anarchist, i am suspicious of idols ((& by the way it was an ice pick, not a pick-axe & surely you are not suggesting it was his karma??))) bullying a fascist into silence or out of town causes less harm than the harm that would be done to people from black and ethnic minority minority groups if he was allowed to continue peddling his hate leaflets and creating an atmosphere of fear and isolation for people who just want to go about their daily lives.
Wallace for the abbatoir!

by Paul Fri Aug 01, 2003 21:21

Would this be the bashing heads against curbs for tolerance that is related to Bush's war for peace? Honestly, attacking a nationalist is called 'greeting,' but arguing against an anti-nationalist or communist is an attack. It spells jail time if he is Jewish or coloured.

Do you left-wingers seriously not see the hyopcrisy in your views? You are severely bigotted against Whites but attack 'racists' for being bigots themselves?

By the way, why must mainstream news and even these 'indy' sorts always use the term 'neo-nazi' wherever possible? First of all, there is no such thing as a 'neo-Nazi.' And the original 'Nazis' were National Socialists; the term 'nazi' being an ignorant slur used by political enemies of the reime in Germany. Secondly, Stormfront is not National Socialist, let alone 'neo-Nazi', nor is there sufficient evidense to support the claim this nationalist was one either. It is clear that hateful idealogues use it as a 'scare-away' tag to put along sides enemies of left-wingism, the status quo, or Zionism.

All in all, this piece mirrors the bad journalism and anti-White bigotry common to any mainstream (usually Zionist) rag out there.

by Lone Gunman Fri Aug 01, 2003 23:57

To hear the anti Facists rant about the nazis or facists.When they are just the flip side of the coin. Reading the anti facist litature ,it is all RED inspired.On the Facist side it is all BROWN inspired.Both forms of political belifs have proven to be defunct in the last centuary and have no claim to be right.Both have killed millions as well.So Facist anti or pro. NO THANKS!

by Kev - fuck fascism Sat Aug 02, 2003 01:17

"Only one thing could have broken our movement - if the adversary had understood its principle and from the first day had smashed, with the most extreme brutality, the nucleus of our new movement."

by Concerned Citizen Sat Aug 02, 2003 03:08

As an average civilian, who maintains non-racist views, I find the activities of the anti-racist activists to be nothing more than sheer thugery! Apparently that "revisionist" individual was merely availing of his right to free speech by expressing his views in a peaceful manner. If we do not like what he has got to say, then we don't have to listen. Oppressing a voice can have serious repercussions. The simple-minded tactics of the anti-racists is disgraceful & should be condemned, not applauded. They are a disgrace to those of us who cherish the rights of all people (even of those who we disagree with). Let them have their voice! This is not the CCCP!!

by Mike M. Sat Aug 02, 2003 13:24

I'd like to start by saying well done to all of those who turned out to stop this fascist from proceeding with his work - I'm not sure what it says about the left in Cork that so many were able to turn up at that time on a work day!
I have just read the confused liberal-for-the-sake-of-liberal contribution of 'concerned citizen' and feel compelled to disabuse him/her. This contributor clearly doesn't understand the nature of fascism, perhaps sees it through the pejorative prism which has rendered the term a bit of a cliche? Racism is not fascism. Anti-semitism is not fascism. Homophobia is not fascism. Nationalism is not fascism. Fascism is an organised expression of these prejudices and outlooks, combined with a virulently anti-left and anti-union attitude, and it does not seek merely to win people to its position through argument, but also to use violence and brutality against those it sees as its enemies. Like other political groups fascists will use activities like this in an attempt to recruit. Success in recruitment for them in Cork (or elsewhere) will lead to debate being conducted by fists and boots against minorities and the left (who are also, though it pains me to say so, a minority).
The argument (not new by any means, I recall it being used by Kevin Myers after the protest to stop Irving in UCC) that organising to stop fascists is just another form of thuggery, is of course rubbish. We oppose Fianna Fail, Fine Gael, PDs, Aine ni Chonaill - but we argue against them with politics and make no effort to physically stop them recruiting. This is because these organisations are not fascist - they do not represent a violent reaction against democratic freedoms. Try and grasp the difference!
I think the point must also be made that no fascists were actually harmed in the making of this protest.

by Concerned Citizen Sat Aug 02, 2003 14:07

Thanks for the lesson Sir/Madam. Though tell me something that I'm not already aware of? Please take no offence by my reply, however, you should have read the rest of the postings in this forum before commenting! Obviously you missed the context of such writings.

How can anyone expect to gain support from the general public with such draconian suppressive tactics by threat of force? You referred to polictical opposition. Though, according to the above posts some idiots were referring to heavy-handed tactics such as violent confrontation as a means of preventing a persons right to free speech! Absolutely disgraceful! Who are the true threat to society?

by mickey Sun Aug 03, 2003 15:31

Fascists and nazis need to beaten to a bloody pulp so their so scared to open their mouths and voice their ignorent opinions,these people have spent years cultivating their opinions from nazi apologisiers like Ervine and reading propaganda from the likes of combat 18 and the national front and some lefty do-gooder isnt going to change their minds in a debate or argument ,these people must be physically stoped spreading their poison ,what happened in germany betwen 36 to 45 can never ever be allowed happen again .these scum must be stopped by any and every means nessesary

by Independent Sun Aug 03, 2003 17:41

to be fair we should also have anti-Trot direct actions. Their ideology supports murder and totalitarianism, their heroes are the butchers of Kronstad, and if they had their way they would suppress freedom of speech straight away and massacre those who disagree with them. They have done it before and if they had a chance would do it again tomorrow.

by Niamh Mon Aug 04, 2003 02:01

Anyone who uses that phrase, as one of the above contributors has done, is talking exactly like Hitler and Goebbels used to do.

by Lone Gunman Mon Aug 04, 2003 14:09

You are both sides of a very bad penny.A plauge on both your houses. We should set up a anti ComNazi termination squads so that NEITHER the Brown or Red menace,ever rear their ugly collective heads in Ireland

DEATH TO THE SWASTIKA AND HAMMER AND SICKLE

by Matt Tue Aug 05, 2003 15:36 mattt at oceanfree dot net 087 2275657

Please SWP, spare us this macho posturing. It doesn't stand up! Easy to be the hard man/woman when facing one deranged, and let's face it pretty harmless fool (makes you wonder why he's not a Trot really!!) but not so tough when confronted with REAL Nazis either here (Portadown/Belfast/Larne etc, etc) or in Britain where you were conspiciously absent from any of the physical confrontations with scum who wouldn't have Wallace within a mile of them.

by Ali la Pointe - we will fite dem back Tue Aug 05, 2003 17:14

Niamh, I agree that to use that term is to use a Hitlerite term. I was paraphrasing something I saw on Wallace's leaflet, in using the term I meant to ridicule such notions. I obviously don't believe that I am being controlled by Bush or any "Zionist puppetmasters", quite apart from the fact that, from a strictly anti-authoritarian point of view I am opposed to both the Bush and the Israeli regimes, world conspiracy theories about Jews are the preserve of crackpots like Wallace and should, along with their peddlers, be confined to the dustbin of history. :)

As far as I can tell, no one has laid a finger on Wallace, yet there is all this self-righteous cant about people opposing the hate he peddles being "as bad as the fascists" what stupid people you are! When fascists move on to become confident enough to attack people (see below) it's too late and the residents on the receiving end of the violence find no comfort in knowing that their attackers right to free speech hhas been guaranteed. How are Jewish people or people from Black and Ethnic Minority groups in Cork expected to go about their daily lives in the full enjoyment of their rights when there are Nazis "excercising their right to free speech, free from censorship". People who bleat this liberal mantra unthinkingly end up in the most ludicrous positions. Would those liberal-schmiberals kindly guarantee my right to free speech if I distributed child porn outside of primary schools? Clearly, and rightly, No. Why is it any different for literature that directly threatens the wellbeing of Jewish or Moslem or Black people? Nazis and Fascists need to be opposed at every turn and stopped from organising, by any means necessary.

As for the simpleton who said that it is whites who are oppressed, well, as a nazi you would say that wouldn't you? As they say, "what would you expect from a pig but a grunt?"


"February 23-24, Saturday-Sunday. The UDA in north Belfast staged two riots for the benefit of their "guests" from the "Yorkshire Loyalists" section of the English neo-nazi group Combat 18. According to the Sunday People the RUC/PSNI confirmed that of the UDA’s thirty extreme right wing guests, twenty were from Bradford and ten from Oldham. Both of these towns have suffered serious race riots in recent months, sparked by fascist hate groups.

News first broke of the C-18 presence in north Belfast when it was discovered that they were to visit the Somme Museum at Fernhill House. At the same time it transpired that they were to be billeted by the UDA in Tiger’s Bay. The website on which their visit to north Belfast was announced also describes Africans as "sub human scum" and calls on "whites to unite and kill Jews".

Trouble broke out at 11am on Saturday at the Limestone Road interface, close to Tiger’s Bay. Local community representatives were surprised at the outbreak, given that there had been some modest progress made during talks over previous weeks. The other striking thing was that almost all of the rioters were adults (60 in all). The gang used baseball bats, cudgels, and bricks in co-ordinated attacks on Catholic homes in Clanchattan and Newington Street. "We could clearly hear English accents and we saw a number of skinheads talking to known leaders of the UDA from Tiger’s Bay. It was as if the UDA were showing them how to run a sectarian riot", said one local representative. The riot spread across the Limestone Road, Newington and Park End Street interfaces. One Catholic resident was injured and needed hospital treatment.

There were more attacks on Catholic homes in Clanchattan Street and Parkend Street on the Sunday morning.

Nationalist residents complained that the loyalist perpetrators of the attacks were free to walk through RUC/PSNI and Army lines. The RUC/PSNI arrested three nationalists.

On Sunday night (24 February) security forces limited an attempted repeat performance of Saturday morning’s riot to the Tiger’s Bay end of the Limestone Road.

One of the houses attacked was the Parkend Street home of a Catholic mother who has been the victim of 15 sectarian attacks in the last 11 months and has been refused rehousing by Newington Housing Association because the demand for rehousing is "chronic" with over 150 urgent cases. (IN)

Combat 18 (which derives its name from the first and eighth letters of the alphabet, A and H, Hitler’s initials) and other British ultra-nationalist and white supremacist groups have long standing links to Ulster loyalism and some overlap of personnel. See Sectarian Attacks July, September, November and December 2000 and January, April and December 2001. See also www.serve.com/pfc (SP, CW, PFC, NBN)

200 anti-agreement loyalists met at a "Grand Protestant Rally" in Newtownards, Co. Down. The meeting, at which there was a call for Unionist unity, was attended by loyalists with links to various loyal institutions, as well as DUP assemblyman Jim Shannon. The rallies are being promoted on various hard-line loyalist websites. Asked about the websites, Mr Shannon told the Sunday People: "I’m not computer literate and I don’t know nothing about any websites on this (sic)". (SP)

On October 18, 2001 The Pat Finucane Centre called on the Chief Constable of the RUC to investigate sectarian comments made by participants at a Grand Protestant rally in Ballymena on September 28, the night journalist Martin O’ Hagan was assassinated. Among the speakers that night was Mark Harbinson, a spokesperson for the Loyalist Cultural Society (LCS), who said that he was now looking forward to "B52 bombers over Dublin" in the wake of the USA’s war against terrorism.""

by Liam Watters - SIPTU Wed Aug 13, 2003 06:57 liamwatters1975 at hotmail dot com

Your usage of the word racist is merely a PR attempt on your part to smear anyone who disagrees with your no-borders policy.It's quite laughable of you to slate such possible Hitlers as Aine Ni Chonaill and Noel O'Flynn.What you propose-in effect anarchy-where you can have your pickings and worker's militia's is naive in the extreme and shows how out of touch you are with the 'masses'.Anti-fascist may sound like a good cause but really you are just the same as them by way of you crushing anyone who veers from your Marxist views.Opression is opression and only breeds hatred,not resolution.There is too much judgement,too much resentment on your behalf.As for the naive ones in your org(those brainwashed by Jo Tobin and the CPI),only positivity is liberating.Reactionary emancipation is absurd and arrogant,as is reacting with tha same fire and brimstone opposition logic that you purport to overcome.The more i view your website the more i wonder if you started thinking about five minutes ago.If you wonder why Labour are languishing where they are,IT's down to cranks like yourselves who weaken the Labour movement with your self-serving smut.

by John Taylor - Nil Thu May 13, 2004 06:39 shihan at ozemail dot com dot au

Keep up the good work.

John Taylor
Australia

by moonwolf Tue Jul 20, 2004 00:53

Freedom of speech.....should it not apply to all regardless of whether they are trotskyite communist robots or neo nazi boneheads, the blatherings of both provide those of us living in reality with some light relief! Oh and by the way, the Nazi are not he only ethnic cleansers, lest we forget the fate of the Tartar people among other who were oblitered under communism!!!!!

by Sociable gunman Tue Jul 20, 2004 10:07

by Lone Gunman Monday, Aug 4 2003, 1:09pm

" We should set up a anti ComNazi termination squads so that NEITHER the Brown or Red menace,ever rear their ugly collective heads in Ireland

DEATH TO THE SWASTIKA AND HAMMER AND SICKLE"

ahh.........the logic of a lonely cyber gunman. All alone on his wee PC, venting his spleen, hopelessly misunderstood.

I enjoy his inane ranting. I love his rationale nazis and reds are murderers - lets murder them all.

This guy kills me

by deaft Sun Aug 15, 2004 23:37

Most ‘anti-racism’ is anti-freedom (of expression, to hold a given view).Most people are sick and tired of PC fascism telling us what is correct and what isn’t. Your totalitarianism is bound to be rejected. The workplace is already a dictatorship full of petty rules. The streets belong to the People and not self-appointed moral dictators.
You haven’t stopped maligning the People coz they kicked you out in the referendum.
You can try to censor, slur, defame and repress as you will but if the People don’t buy it, the People don’t buy it and you’d better accept it. bye bye little Mr. and Ms ‘can’t be wrong’!

by Mark Thu Apr 13, 2006 13:28

This is not an exageration or an insult or a hyperbolic historical comparison, it is a simple and frightning fact. Bush and Cheyney are nazis. Bush's family wealth comes from his grandfather Prescott Bush who supported Hitler before and after he came to power, with oil and banking services. This continued until eight months after the USA joined the war, when he was stopped.
The bank continued to operate until 1952. A partner in the bank called Brown, is of the same family as the Brown in Kellogg,Brown and Root, a subsidiary of Haliburton.
Dick Cheyney was the CEO of Haliburton from 1995 to 2000. He is currently it's biggest shareholder. When he was defence secretary in the older Bush regime he gave a multi-million dollar contract to this company to investigate the practicality of using private contractors (such as them) for jobs then done entirely by the military. Unsurprisingly they reported that this was a thoroughly good idea. Equally unsurprisingly Chayney then left politics for a while and made a fortune as CEO of Haliburton. He is now vice president of the USA.
Haliburton is appointed for practicaly all of the privatised section of the military. They are monstorous crooks. Their false accounting is on an Enron scale. They have no regard whatsoever for their resposibilities. Those stories about soldiers having to buy their own tools, boots, two way radios from Tandy, dangerously few armoured vehicles etc? All down to Haliburton's racateering. Every dollar they extort goes into their shareholders pockets.
The nazi affiliated subsidiary of Halliburton, Kellogg, Brown and Root, were awarded, in Janurary, the contract to build a network of 'detention centres' in the USA, to house 400,000 'detainees' in the event of a 'change in current policy' or a 'national emergency'.
These are nazis, they are real, they are in power, and they are building 'detention centres'.
(I am sure a lot of you already know this and more, but some may not, and as it is probably the most important political story, possibly ever, and few people do know about it, I thought I would mention it. Sorry for my poor spelling).

by chris - none Thu Dec 28, 2006 22:29

why is it that all these racists assume multi culturalism is communism? consdering that communism would differ amssively from any of the multi cultural societies hes worried about! in fact many of the stalinist communist's were racists whom hated other cultures much more than the biggoted simpleton in the article.

by A10 Fri Dec 29, 2006 14:23

What nut house did you escape from??Cheney and Bush are Nazis.Really???
Have you seen them in SS outfits going around holding monster rallies ordering the final solution to the Jews???? Then your conspircy theory of detention centres in the USA,amazing ........Yes the whole world knows about the secret detention centres and black helicopters and the secret masonic societies etc etc.you are telling us nothin we dont know and no one can concluseively prove.
BTW if Bushs grand dad supported Hitler,so what???There were plenty of people in the US and the UK who supported him,and wanted the US to stay out of a European mess.People like JFKs granddad Joe Kennedy,a viruluent anti Jew.Charles Lindbergh,a great admirer of Nazi Germany,and no doubt plenty others.
Now go and relax abit,I'm sure the Xfiles are on somwhere in TV land.

by Jacobin Fri Dec 29, 2006 22:36

People here have no idea what a nazi is otherwise they would be more carefully using that term. Describing Bush as a nazi is an insult to all holocaust victims.

by pearson68 - swp Fri Dec 29, 2006 23:45 balbrgigann

never a trurer word spoken!