no coke

by finbar Mon Jul 21, 2003 18:35

Where can I find out more about the situation in Columbia in relation to Coke and nestle and the upcoming court action

by Seán Mon Jul 21, 2003 19:00

http://www.killercoke.org

http://www.cokewatch.org

A quick search should give you more info.

by JEVC Mon Jul 21, 2003 19:26

coke rarities

by JEVC Mon Jul 21, 2003 19:36

No comment.

by R Isible - 1 of IMC Editorial Group - IMC Ireland Mon Jul 21, 2003 20:34

Did you make them yourself and post them here, or did you mean to post an URL to their original source? If it's the former, then fair play. If it's the latter then you're doing two things: 1. Not attributing credit to the original producers of those images. 2. Duplicating material which is already available and thus wasting indymedia.ie's hard drive space. The point of allowing uploading of images is so that when you go out on an anti-Coca-Cola demonstration in Ireland you can take pictures of it and contribute something original. Just whacking up images that you found somewhere else means that it's harder for people that are creating their own media to find somewhere to put it. Thanks for your co-operation in making indymedia.ie an independent and original news source.

by Ronan from CYM - Connolly Youth Movement Tue Jul 22, 2003 00:19 connollyyouth at hotmail dot com http://www.communistpartyofireland.ie/cym 01-6711943

The Connolly Youth Movement will be handing out anti-Coke leaflets in Dublin, Belfast and Galway over the comming weeks. Check out our new leaflet above on our web page. For more information on this or anything eles to do with CYM just E-mail, phone or just drop in to Connolly Books, 43 East Essex Street, Temple Bar, Dublin 2.

by JEVC - The Fourth Amendment Committee Tue Jul 22, 2003 03:07

questions questions questions - jeez...
here are all the answers from the Indymedia interrogation room:

1. The original producers were indeed the CocaCola Corp. - credit due to them and their excellent illustrators and printers. I merely amended them. The original work can be found if you trawl the web.

2. Duplication was also carried out on the images

3. The typefaces were similarly pilfered, and text/tone and certain new colours were edited in. The images spent some time in a place called "Photoshop".

4. I am aware my 60k of combined filesize has probably depleted my, and everyone elses annual Indymedia Freespeech Allowance. I apologise for this unreservedly.

5. The answer to you earliest question is that the images were amended, not "created" as an attempt to doggedly, and dogmatically follow the Indymedia Rule you outlined earlier: To Contribute Something Original.

I have clearly failed in this excercise, given that you have correctly, and with some probity, established that I did not Create something 100% Original. There were several clear copyright infringements not to mention potentially damaging issues of corporate slander and Font Theft.

I undertake to desist from similar crimes of graphical impulsiveness in the future.

I suggest Indymedia maybe examine this issue and set up a committee to vet future uploads which aren't wholly Creative or deserving of IMC server space.

I could also suggest You desist from impulses of an extremely condescending nature.It doesnt really seem in keeping with the point of your website...When you assume etc etc
Not to worry.

Finally, it seems you didnt notice that at the bottom of both images there is an Indymedia.ie logo, an attempt to attribute them/the Coke debate not to a person, movement or private URL but the source of this [Colombian] information dissemination i.e. indymedia i.e. you.

hmmm
JEVC

by Anthony Tue Jul 22, 2003 04:26

I too have to commend JEVC for his / her excellent work at subverting Coca Cola's images. The {problem} with the images is that they are of such high quality that it's obvious that a lot of work went into creating (sorry, I meant amending) them.

When I first saw the images, I jumped to the conclusion that they probably came from another site. I must be getting cynical because I don't expect originality to equate with high quality in comments to articles on Indymedia Ireland. It's not quite a case of "never the twain shall meet" but more often than not, we get either originality or quality - though often neither.

However after looking more closely, I saw the www.indymedia.ie in that recognisable typeface. Later, while searching on the Web for Coca Cola images for my own little purpose, I came across what I presume to be the original of the second image - http://www.flukestudio.com/coke.html

Don't be too sarcastic with R Isible. The points he makes still apply as the intention behind them is to keep Indymedia as a space where work as good as yours can shine and stand out on its own rather than being lost among flotsam and jetsam from other sites.

by Anthony Tue Jul 22, 2003 04:53

A video will be shown this evening to mark the start of the boycott. The video, obtained recently from Colombia, is entitled "SINALTRAINAL Demands Justice," lasts 38 minutes and is in English. It details the case against Coca Cola, and will be preceded by a 10-minute talk on Colombia to put it in context.

Venue: LASC, 5 Merrion Row (Above the new Centra shop, opposite O'Donoghue's pub)

Time: 7:30 to 8:30 pm

The boycott in Ireland will officially be launched at the top of Grafton Street on Saturday 26th July, with street theatre and music from 12 to 3 o'clock. Come along and enjoy the show. Offers of help and participants will also be welcomed.

For more information on Coca Cola and Colombia, see www.lasc.ie
There's also a Guardian article at http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,525209,00.html

by Fair Trade Fair Aid Tue Jul 22, 2003 12:51

What date Anthonly?

by Seán Tue Jul 22, 2003 17:08

Today, if its marking the launch of the Boycott Campaign.

by R Isible - 1 of IMC Editorial - IMC Editorial Group Tue Jul 22, 2003 17:52

> 4. I am aware my 60k of combined filesize
> has probably depleted my, and everyone elses
> annual Indymedia Freespeech Allowance. I
> apologise for this unreservedly.

That's alright. Don't worry about it. The point is that you couldn't deplete the resources allowed under this years four year plan -- it takes everyone working together to do that. I mistakenly thought that you had your shoulder to the wheel and were working in harmony with the brothers and sisters of the 24th Troll Tendency.

>5. The answer to you earliest question is that
> the images were amended, not "created" as an

Well, the dogmatic interpretation is yours. I'm sorry I didn't have the time to investigate further -- which is why I asked the question.

>I undertake to desist from similar crimes
> of graphical impulsiveness in the future.

Please don't. If you're creating original work like this then great. If, however you had been pasting them from some other source then it would have been a waste of resources.

>I suggest Indymedia maybe examine this issue
> and set up a committee to vet future uploads

They're already there, they're called editors. And sometimes we make mistakes, like this one.

>I could also suggest You desist from impulses
> of an extremely condescending nature.

Sorry for seeming condescending. It was not my intention. It was an enquiry coupled with a general message directed at all readers -- I am worried that the ability to upload graphics (which take up a good deal of space) is going to be wasted by contributors cutting and pasting images from other sources. This already happens with print articles and would be much more of a problem with graphics.

>Finally, it seems you didnt notice that at
> the bottom of both images there is an
> Indymedia.ie logo, an attempt to attribute

No, it was completely unreadable on one of them and I completely missed it on the other. Sorry.

Anyway, thanks for the original contribution.

by JEVC Tue Jul 22, 2003 21:21

It seems that your Indymedia moderation experience doesn't differ much from more conventional abusive, backbiting, bickering, thoughtless, arrogant, untrusting working environments which we commonly rally against. Which is a pity.

Anyways, enough pedantry from me & u - lets not forget LASC.


See you soon,
J

by redjade Tue Jul 22, 2003 23:35

to the graphics guru....

why not join the editorial mailing list of the creatively chaotic website and work with other to create more such fine art for future features and such?

and perhaps take inspiration from Latuff in Brasil, a global indymedia artist (some say spammer, not i!)...

http://www.infoshop.org/latuff_archive.html
http://www.sinkers.org/latuff
http://www.geocities.com/pepe_montfort/main2.html
http://www.machination.org/latuff

and, by the way, few know that Latuff is also a photog...
http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=163684

so, join the editorial madness at
http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/listinfo/imc-ireland-editorial

by David Wed Jul 23, 2003 11:00

Other coca cola products and those that are distributed and bottled by coca cola in ireland.
These include, Sprite, fanta, BPM, Powerade, Riverock water, lilt, vittel water, Evian water dr pepper and "H20"

by Seán Wed Jul 23, 2003 15:08

The fruit juice drink oasis.

by commie bastard - Colombia Demands Justice - Melbourne Wed Jul 23, 2003 15:21 ActivistColombia-Australia at yahoogroups dot com

Great stuff about Killer coke. And thanks for whoever put a post on

by Him again - same again Wed Jul 23, 2003 15:26

Whoops lost a lot of type in the last one.

Lets see if this is better.

Thanks whoever for posting on the Melbourne Indy site news of your demo.

You can read more about our rally at

http://www.melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2003/07/51126.php

Also you may want to get to http://www.sinaltrainal.org/boikot/noconsumo.html and tell them about what you are doing.

Workers of the world unite.

by Joe Andrews Thu Jul 24, 2003 18:48

Is there as vociverous a boycott of Nestle, or dont they count, as Europeans?

This only makes sense if Coke, not the local bottler, actually paid or compelled the paramilitaries to abuse union organisers. Ohterwise the boycott is misplaced, and frankly, somewhat morally vain.

by boycott Sat Jul 26, 2003 04:21

What about appealing to Coca Cola workers in Ieland to have solidarity action?

Why don't we discuss the mood among the Coca Cola workers in Ireland, surely these are the most important group in Ireland in this matter. Surely the campaign should concentrate in building for action among Irish coca cola workers.

Also we should debate whether or not the campaign should call for blacking of cocal cola products by workers in restraunts and shops. I think that the campaign nor the unions in these sectors are as yet string enough for us to make that demand.

by Keith Parkins Mon Jul 28, 2003 18:15

I put on IMC UK some useful links for more info

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2003/07/274568.html

excellent coke graphics IMC Ireland!

I also put same links on laer coverage IMC Ireland.

http://www.indymedia.ie/newswire.php?story_id=60520

Keith