Photos taken just after the eviction of the people from "Disco Disco" by An Garda Síochána

by Canteen Kevin Fri Jul 18, 2003 11:15

You sad little shit-are you Baliar in disguise?

by Seáinín Fri Jul 18, 2003 02:33

is typical of the tosser you see in these photos. As the man says 'if these people can see themselves'.

But they can't, Balor, they're too stupid so just continue giving your absolutely spot-on point of view and don't waste your time trying to talk sense into them.

They'll grow out of it, just be patient. I blame their parents, frankly.

by Canteen Kevin Thu Jul 17, 2003 18:57

Your ignorant rant included "I was in the middle of town with 2 frightened young children on a sunday afternoon". The free state cowards assault was on MONDAY 6 May you liar. You were not there with "2 frightened children" (trying to tug the heartstrings eh?) Crawl back to the PDs/FF, you will never agree with anything challenging the status quo, you opinions are your own, and have been noted, laughed at and shelved in the "Bitter and twisted" section of life's library.

by Balor Thu Jul 17, 2003 11:30

To Jill.

Yes my Comments are a bit sweeping the reson for this is Indymedia's Members don't seem to stick to one ideal at all. First of all on one thread they are claiming a Social Revolution and on another thread they're demanding CIE sack all their workers for protesting.

Now I don't totally agree with all your Ideals but some of your Actions and methods are more than questionable. I was in Dame st. last year and saw the so Called "reclaim the Streets" protest. while a few of the protesters were sincere, what they got was a bunch of stoned teeneagers and every drunken scumbag in temple bar joining in, causing hassle and getting the Gards involved. I was in the middle of town with 2 young frightened Children on a sunday afternoon when this protest escalated to a riot when gardai started to implement the POA.

I was at the Salthill Airshow when the "protest" of about 25 people came out and were laughed at my the majority of the crowd. (This was well away from the Army and civil defence stands) I also saw a 17 year old civil defence member (not much more than a little girl) getting abuse from a PACE memeber over protecting the "warplane" The girl was cordoning of the new Garda Helicopter because of security issues for fears some nut would attack it with a hatchet. (not likely but you see resources have to be wasted on this due to former incidents) a multi million € helicopter bought by the govt. for Crime prevention and Detection has to be guarded from the people who's taxes are paying for it.

Of course You all are not the same or are Anti-G or Anti-C or anti-F*cking everything. but some of the more extreme members of this board and other aligned organisations (pro Life, reclaim the streets, the Shannon peace camp to name a few!) Their actions bring anyone else who protests into disrepute, I've marched with students unions over fee's and airport workers over wages. Marching is fine! get you're point across to the public. Fine! Break the Law! No! Abuse People who volunteer for Civic Duty No! Harass and Cajole People NO!

As for the Internet It is possibly the most open form of getting you're point across if I didn't come here to read the Comments I would think that all the protesters Were either stoned College Kids or moaning Patricia McKenna Types like good old Justin. I can read the Comments of the Sincere people and laugh at the absolute wankers like PIG hater! who's comments add little to the discussion or the Board itself.

BTW Pig hater!! Am I a Pig in what way?? Having short legs, cloven hooves, bristly hair, and a snout? I assure you I don't! A member of the social or political establishment, especially one holding sexist or racist views?? No I amn't Racist or Sexist!! A Member of the Gards? No I Am not have not and Never Will Be a Gard so u can stick your opinion up where only you have to worry about it!!

by Seáinín Thu Jul 17, 2003 03:34

But there's no future in breaking the law. Your presumption that people are 'sheep' and need to have certain things waved in their faces betrays your youth and inexperience.

Don't worry Joe. you'll get there, just leave other people's property alone OK?

by Joe Sheehan Tue Jul 15, 2003 17:18 jape.eece at email dot com

I am getting tired of the when you run up against the state, they win comments i have heard in the last 24 hours when talking to people about DiscoDisco.
This is a brilliant start, and every great process, protest........fuck it everything has to start somewhere and this was a good start. Things will get better and the general public will see that letting a building rot is a crime when there are people liveing on the streets. That letting a building die is more a crime.
People moving in to open this resource is not a crime but a necessity.
We should be proud to have people who are this dedicated that they are willing to do this.

Again I say thank you all involved in DiscoDisco, onwards and upwards!
It is a long process but we will get there!

by V - some leninst party Tue Jul 15, 2003 15:27

Creating autonomous spaces, once again runs into that monolith called the state. Let this be a lesson

by Pig hater... Tue Jul 15, 2003 15:09

BALOR = pig. Don't give him the pleasure of a response please.

by jill Tue Jul 15, 2003 14:43

i think that's a bit of a ridiculous argument. yr making sweeping statements with regards to these 'hippie types' and being blantantly, unneccesarily obnoxious and insulting.
if you've got an argument, try keeping away from the insults as it weakens anything that may be credible in yr piece and makes it seem that you've got nothing else to yr argument but futile, generalising mockeries.

also, yr p.s.. i think a lot of yr generalisations stem from ignorance. perhaps i'm wrong but i think that if you knew any of these people yr argument may be a little more tame, and you wouldn't have asked a silly question like 'if yr all anti-globalisation why do you have... blah blah'
for a start, not all of these people ARE anti-globalisationalist or anti-capitalist. you can't just claim that everyone involved in this was, because again, ignorant sweeping statement.
and besides those who are anti-g or anti-c can do what ever the fuck they like with regards to camera's and PC's. it's their life. and even if you find it contradictory that may be because you just don't really know what these people are all about.

by BALOR Tue Jul 15, 2003 13:31

Well,

You broke the Law!!(yes you dumb crusties Squatting on private property is illegal) You entered Private Property without the Permission of the Owner and under the Law they have every right to remove you! If they cannot then they can get the Gards to do it. Yes most of the people above are commiting an offence under the POA. Also you're putting yourselves in danger by occupying a building that isn't even up to health and safety standards. So if one of you "insert whatever freeloading organisation you're a member of this week, here" Falls through a floor and breaks a leg, cracks a skull etc, its the owner of the building who's liable, yes so when you are in hospital and Mummy and Daddy visit call Daddy's lawyer I'm sure he'll love to sue the ass of the buildings owner for the pain and distress casued by you're unfortunate stupidity driven accident!!

As for the Gardai well they have jobs!! they pay rent so here's an Idea Why dont all you Muppets Get a job while you're waiting to repeat your summer exams. Like the rest of us you will be able to pay rent, you wont have to waste taxpayers money and Police time by staging you're "protests" so they can go out and catch some real criminals instead of having to arrest hippie "were against everything" Shitheads like you"

ps. if you're against globalisation and commercialism why do you have, A PC a Digital Camera, and Internet Access???

by Spitfire Mk III - DISCO DISCO Tue Jul 15, 2003 11:42

Section 8. (The whole act is readable at the related link)

Failure to comply with direction of member of Garda Síochána.

8.—(1) Where a member of the Garda Síochána finds a person in a public place and suspects, with reasonable cause, that such person—

( a ) is or has been acting in a manner contrary to the provisions of section 4, 5, 6, 7 or 9, or
( b ) without lawful authority or reasonable excuse, is acting in a manner which consists of loitering in a public place in circumstances, which may include the company of other persons, that give rise to a reasonable apprehension for the safety of persons or the safety of property or for the maintenance of the public peace, the member may direct the person so suspected to do either or both of the following, that is to say:
(i) desist from acting in such a manner, and
(ii) leave immediately the vicinity of the place concerned in a peaceable or orderly manner.
(2) It shall be an offence for any person, without lawful authority or reasonable excuse, to fail to comply with a direction given by a member of the Garda Síochána under this section.

(3) A person who is guilty of an offence under this section shall be liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding £500 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 6 months or to both.

by Acid Tue Jul 15, 2003 02:00

I arrived at the house around 2.45pm. I had brought water containers for the residence to use. I approached the house and noticed a passer by reading the statement attached to the door. I continued to wait on the pavement until the passer by had finished and walked off.
2.47.
I walked up to the door, with containers in hand, and tried to get the residences attention on the first floor. One of them looked out the window and told me to watch my back. I didnt understand them until they pointed across the road. I turned around and saw 3 men running towards me. One with a sledge hammer, another with a 3 foot crowbar, and the last with a 4 1/2 foot crowbar.
2.48.
An man in a blue shirt (mid-late 50's, 5'9, country accent, over-weight, bad breath) started to shout abuse towards me, and stated he owned the building. He ordered me to get off 'his' property. I took 2 steps back onto the pavement, well off 'his' property. He seemed fairly pissed as he knew he could do fuck all to me now. By this stage I noticed a fourth party member, standeing in from the railings, who has now become known as 'the architect'. (This man was approx, 6'1, mid'40's, had a blue shirt tucked into his blue jeans. He carried a clipboard and had a mobile attached to his belt.)
2.50.
After shouting at the residence up on the 1st floor, one of the men ( tanned, 5'8, severly over weight, late 20's, bad english, ) started to bang the door with his sledge hammer. (It is here that I will note that this man was the most agressive of the four and did not return later with the two older men. Quite possibly a 'rent-a-thug'.) The man in the white & brown squared shirt stood beside him.
The third man continued to shout abuse at me.
2.53.
I walked over to the left of the house, after having enough, and placed my containers on the ground. I opened my backpack, took out my camera, and walked back to the gate entrance. The man in the blue shirt had turned around to watch the other two make a small whole in the wooden panel at the entrance to the house.
I started to take pictures of the actions from the pavement. As soon as the men saw the camera, the man in the white & brown shirt came over to me, punced me in the face and pushed me back. I studered and turned around in a bit of shock. He walked back over and started to help the 'rent-a-thug' with his 4'1/2 crowbar.
2.55.
I continued to take photographs while being told that what I was doing was illegal by the man in the blue shirt. I assured him that as long as I was on public property, I had every right to take photographs.
2.57.
After the two men at the door made a head sized whole, I was advized by the residence up on the first floor to call the cops. I hesitated as I believe they would do fuck all to help the situation, but did so on a 4th request. A bottle of water was poored ontop of the men (but somehow missed!!) from above.
3.00.
Some of the residience that had left the house at 2.35, returned running after being alarmed by phone of what was going on. They began to talk to the men.

I'm pretty fucking tired now, and will continue this tomorow.

But just some facts.
I am not 100% sure which man was involved, but the whole was made and the men had stopped work on it. When people could be seen inside, the 4'1/2 crowbar was used to hit the people on the inside like a snooker pole, resulting in a resident being injured and hospitalized. The injury that occured was NOT accidental, and was fully intended.

The Gardai spoke to the men involved for about 10 minutes. The same men that had caused an injury, resulting in hospital teatment being required, made numerous lethal threats with their tools towards me, shouted abuse to practicly everyone opposing them, and also threatened to call a known terrorist group to help them. (IRA)
While this was happening, 2 people were arrested for doing nothing illegal, under the public order act. section 8. Sarcastic comments were made to anoyone else who tried to gather information.

It should also be made clear that the Gardai did not move when asked by people trying to get at the injured resident.

I am sure that the three men left, (not sure about 'the architect') knowning they would get into trouble if they stayed as things began to heat up.
They returned later to take down the banners, minus the apparent 'rent-a-thug'.
I make a personal statement, in saying that this man was most likely the man involved in the attack as he did not return, hoping to avoid trouble.

by Acid Tue Jul 15, 2003 01:59

It is also an arrestable offence to wear an insulting placard which includes a t-shirt.
*thinks of one of the arrestees*...YOU LEGEND!!!

by Acid Tue Jul 15, 2003 01:56

I will give anyone who wants one, a free copy of the POA.
Basiclly, the Gardai decide there and then wether your causing an offence. This includes standing on the pavement.
So if your told to move by a gardai, without any reason, and you dont comply, they have a right to arrest you.

by Indymedia Kevin - IMC Éire Tue Jul 15, 2003 01:39

Some of the Disco Disco people came back to get their banners when they heard they were being cut down.

The two boys here freaked out and called the Garda - and sure enough in a split second they were straight back down again in cars and vans.

The Garda seemed to have no qualms with being aggressive towards the Disco Disco people, but were quite happy to accomodate the two men who had earlier been involved in a violent physical incident.

Is propery valued more than a persons body...?

by Indymedia Kevin - IMC Éire Tue Jul 15, 2003 01:32

Anyone know these guys?
I wandered back around with my camera to see if anything had happened since the group had been forced to leave the street outside the building (yet again the Garda were using the Public Order Act as a weapon... what exactly is section 8 of the POA please? Can anyone post it? Does standing on a pavement count?).

Inside were two men - I was informed later on that they were two of the four who had attacked the people inside earlier on.

Neither appreciated being photographed. The guy in the blue shirt at one point was coming towards me, but when he saw me take out the camera he ran back inside.

by Indymedia Kevin - IMC Éire Tue Jul 15, 2003 01:26

The architect was making calls all the time to people. People drifted off towards the Garden of Remembrance for an emergency meeting. I then heard him say "Its OK, you can come back now, they're gone".

The symbol spray painted on the door is the international squatting logo.

by Indymedia Kevin - IMC Éire Tue Jul 15, 2003 01:22

Some more photos for you. Bags on the ground, more Garda vans arriving.

That big hole in the door is where the thugs chopped with their axe.