O Snodaigh - EU decision on Batasuna flies in face of democracy

by naive millie Fri Jun 06, 2003 10:58

and not about 'democracy' Angus et al take note

by A Basque Fri Jun 06, 2003 13:01

All those measures are total useless, since, being Batasuna a party for the whole BC, included Northern BC (under French occupation), for the French laws it's a legal party, and, as far as I know, France is still Europe. So, for instance on Saturday it will be held a demonstration in Baiona (Bayonne), it has been called by Batasuna, and French autorities haven't done any objection, it is absolutely legal. So, you can see how far the Spanish Gov's actions reach. The fascist face of the Spanish Gov it's more obvious than ever, although we have to admit, this means a lot of suffering.

by a dubliner Fri Jun 06, 2003 17:14

thought that today's standard of open debate within the Irish Republican Movement as typified in this forum @ least by the article I have chosen to link, was @ odds with the needs of solidarity in the face of unchanging opposition, criminalisation, and the building and cultivation of _·"pariah status"·_

It is certainly true that all the conditions that led to the allocation of _·"pariah status"·_ are present too for the political movement that found for just short of 25 years political voice in the HB party.

Over the last week, many of those who live in the Spanish state have given thought again to the non-political voice of "HB" for two reasons:
1. their illegalisation in the municipal elections.
2. the killing of two policemen by ETA.
Yet again crowds of people took to the street, this time they numbered 35,000 not 350,000 as at many times before, to say "Basta Ya!".

One would presume that the reaction within the Basque seperatist movement is somewhat similar to that we may for hypothesis sake presume existed in Sinn Fein @ many times of it's previous existence.

Thus we suppose the "solidarity".

In the TV coverage which followed the killing of the policemen, much time was alloted to both members of the Spanish Royal family, leading politicians and family members of the killed. The town council in Navarre where they were killed made it's statement condemning the killing and left one seat vacant untaken as symbol of the former representation of HB in that town.

One woman chose to say to a TV interviewer as part of a "street vox pop reaction" "I am of Batasuna, I condemn any type of killing".

I was left wondering was she a former representative, a new type of representative, or a voice which "had stepped out of line", or even just a stooge "an actor's voice behind dark sunglasses".

This week the three young independce activists held by the Spanish State authorities from Tora, in Paisos Catalanes were released. In another of the regions of "España" with @ times problematic relations with the rest of the peninsula but for cultural rather than "conflict" reasons, their release has sparked further interest in the allegations of torture against the Spanish State.

There are many sides to this story, and many voices, and if Peace is the solution that all parties or movements of "socialist republican indepence" seek, then we must hope their is real "solidarity" to be offered in acheiving the dialogue that such seeking has to have.
:-)

by Justin Watcher Fri Jun 06, 2003 17:53

where's the democracy in riggin polling booths? and putting false names on electoral registers?

i wont mention a thing about physical intimidation of political opponants

by dubliner Fri Jun 06, 2003 18:16

which rather changes the meaning of my comment, but for readers' "elucidation", it was a healthy mutual slagging match between current day tippy top fenians.
now here is another link on the theme

_.-·[{"REPUBLIKA! =¿evil alternative state?}]·-._

hmmmm., do an@rkists think Republics are better than monarchies? well yes generally.
but not always.
depends on the republic.
go look at the link which anounces a day of discussion, chat debate and forum /info stuff on the 3rd Republik of España.
June 22-2003
Madrid.

by dubliner Fri Jun 06, 2003 18:17

http://www.nodo50.org/unidadcivicaporlarepublica/

by goldfish - the peoples republic of aquarium Mon Jun 09, 2003 16:17 goldfish at hotmail dot com

heres a Few things to think about

The Social Democratic and labour party(SDLP)have been the only party caught and Charged with Impersonation during elections.

Sinn Féin has faced a barrage of intimidation
physical brutality and the Killing of party activists
(including the friends and family of activists)than all of the political parties on this island combined.

Gerry Adams has the largest vote In the in the so called UK(even more than bertie)

when looked like SF may have come out on top during the last elections they were cancelled by tony blair.