Catholic Worker 5 at Wynn's Hotel

by No 6 Thu Jun 05, 2003 20:19

C'mon seriously Dave what the fuck?

Everyone barring Ciara is looking shiftly out of the corner of their eyes. They all look fucking well dodgy. And Ciara is the worst! When did she die and get re-aninimated?

"Would you trust this bunch to mind your aircraft?"

Admit it you're the same git who took that photo of John Leslie looking "evil" .

On another note, when exactly did this website become the unoffical catholic worker five fan club? Theres count 'em six articles about them and thats just on the front page. If you're not telling us where they are, it's where they've been. Honestly you're saving their parole officers a load of work here.

Could everyone just cool it? Calm down on the fan club? I need to get my news about another
re-animation the second coming of G fucking R.

WO-FUCKING-HO

by Pit Stop Ploughshares Thu Jun 05, 2003 20:29 pitstopploughshares at hotmail dot com c/- 134 Phibsborough Rd. Dublin 7 IRELAND 087 918 4552

Pitstop Ploughshares

STATEMENT OF FAITH 3/2/03 Shannon Airport
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We come to Shannon Airport to carry out an act of life-affirming
disarmament in a place of preparations for slaughter.

Like the railway tracks that ran to the town of Auschwitz, the runway at
Shannon has been militarized for service on an assembly line of death.
The train tracks at Auschwitz brought people to their deaths, the runway
at Shannon brings death to the people. The Irish Government acts in
contravention of the Irish Constitution, International Law and divine
mandate to service U.S. military aircraft, troop and munition
deployments.

The U.S./British war on the Iraqi people, and for Iraqi resources, has
been long and varied.The U.S./U.K. military has claimed over 2 million
Iraqi lives
* in their financial and military support for the Saddam Hussein
regime in the '70's and '80's
* in their hi tech bombing campaign of 1991
* in the 12 years of crippling sanctions imposed on the Iraqi people
* and now their plans to conquer and occupy Iraq

US/UK weapons manufacturers also continue to fuel the daily grind of
death and destruction inflicted on the Palestinian people.

SWORDS INTO PLOUGHSHARES
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We come to Shannon Airport around the Feast of St. Brigid, to disarm and
disable the war machine. We hope to begin to take up the runway and
ground military aircraft. We hope to be joined in this act of
disarmament by those who encounter us. Citizens, police and soldiers
wielding hammers brought down the Berlin Wall; we hope all will pitch in
to take up this runway and ground planes servicing the war machine. We
find this easier to envision than the further slaughter of Iraqi
children that U.S. British and Irish governments wish us to consider.

We act inspired by Brigid and Irish traditions of healing and
peacemaking. We carry out Christ's commandment to "love our enemies" by
nonviolently resisting the slaughter of their children. We attempt to
enflesh the prophesy of Isaiah Ch 2 and Micah Ch 4 "to beat swords into
ploughshares".

We respond to the call of the prophets of Modern America. Catholic
Worker founder Dorothy Day, who encourages us "to fill the jails with
nonviolent resistance to war"; Martin Luther King, who warns us that we
are confronted by "a choice between nonviolence and nonexistence". Fr.
Daniel Berrigan, who observes: "We have assumed the name of peacemakers,
but we have been, by and large, unwilling to pay any significant price.
And because we want peace with half a heart and half a life and will,
the war, of course continues, because the waging of war, by its nature
is total - but the waging of peace, by our cowardice is partial."

WHO WE ARE
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* Deirdre Clancy (32) is an editor, writer and feminist activist with an
interest in faith-based resistance to various structures of social
control. She regards war as part of parcel of the system which demeans
women; legalizes corruption of many different forms; discriminates
against, locks up and labels the so-called "mentally ill", without
questioning the sanity of the military-industrial system in which we are
all complicit.

* Karen Fallon (30) is a Glaswegian-Irish peace activist. She is a
scientist and a Trident Ploughshares pledger. She has lived at the
Faslane Peace Camp for the past two years.

* Damien Moran (22) is from the Irish midlands. He spent three months in
Haiti recently doing voluntary development work. A qualified geography
and English teacher, he is currently studying theology and anthropology
as a seminarian in Dublin.

* Nuin Dunlop (31) is an American of Irish-Scots-East Band
Cherokee-Dutch descent. She has been working for several years in
community service; in the Catholic Worker, hospital chaplaincy, and with
the marginalised. She is a Catholic anarchist. Her activism stems from
the belief that the Creator breaths life through everyone: War is the
most serious violation of life. Born in the nation with the more weapons
of mass destruction than any other, she is moved to respond to the
current US-led assaults on life.

* Ciaron O'Reilly (42) is an Irish Australian. He is presently working
at a homeless shelter in Dublin and is long time Catholic Worker and
nonviolent resister. He was a member of the "ANZUS Ploughshares" which
disarmed a B-52 Bomber in upstate New York during the 1991 Gulf War. He was also a member of the "Jabiluka Ploughshares" that disabled uranium mining equipment in the Northern Territory of Australia in 1998.

* THINGS TO DO
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* Write to the above defendants c/- 134 Phibsborough Rd. Dublin 7 IRELAND.
* Donate to the Ploughshares Defense Fund by making cheques payable to
"Ploughshares Defence Fund" c/o Ploughshares, 134 Phibsborough Rd. Dublin 7 IRELAND
7 Ireland.
*Join Celebrations of Hope with the Defendants - Newry, Galway, Belfast, Dublin, Limerick, Kilrush
* pray and fast for peace
* Vigil publicly at Shannon Airport, U.S./British Embassies, Aer Rianta,
Irish Government offices involved in war preparations.
* Gather with friends in communities of nonviolent resistance . sit in,
speak out, blockade.
* Offer solidarity to those travelling into the war zones of Iraq and
Palestine to bear nonviolent witness.
* Offer solidarity to those in front of the courts and in jail for
bearing nonviolent resistance to the war machine at home. See
www.nonviolence.org/nukeresister/ and www.gn.apc.org/peacenews

MEDIA 7 SUPPORT CONTACTS
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Phone +353 1 4064 365 (landline until mid-July)

+353 1 4064 466 (landline until mid-July)
+353 87 918 4552 (mobile/cell)
Email - [email protected]

web:www.ploughsharesireland.org

by Pit Stop Ploughshares Thu Jun 05, 2003 21:44 087 918 4552

*Newry Saturday June 7 th. 2pm - 5 pm - Arts Centre Vid and Speaking

*Galway Tuesday June 10th. Richardson Hotel City Centre 8 p.m. vid & Ciaron Speaking

*Shannon Thursday June 12th. 10.30 a.m.- Court Case - Good Friday Action Martin & Jenny

Sunday June 15th. Derry Vid & defendants speaking 1 pm - 4 pm Sandinos Bar

*Belfast Sunday June 16th. 7.30 p.m. Join Defendants for Celebration of Hope, Music by "Stray" & others.
Managerie Bar, University Street

*Dublin Tuesday June 17th. Celebration of Hope & send off with defendants, Irish Film Centre, Temple Bar
Door 10/6 euro
Music by Paul O'Toole (folk), Cantori di Aradia (Italian duo), @The Truth@ (contemporary), Declan Hogge (Blues guitar) & others

*Shannon Airport Saturday June 21 st. 12 noon Speakers (local & international)
1.30 p.m. Peace walk to Trial Begins

* Limerick Saturday June 21 st.6 pm "Celebration of Hope More" info 087 918 4552

*Kilrush Tuesday June 24th. 9 a.m. Vigil outside Kilrush Court Trial Begins 087 918 4552 for updates

by Jack Thu Jun 05, 2003 22:48

Where's that hypocrite IRisble?

How about a photo of the pope?

by , Fri Jun 06, 2003 09:34

please

by Papal Bull Fri Jun 06, 2003 09:57

I think that the notoriety that the CW have gained over the past few months is not due to the work they've done in the anti-war movement, but rather becasue of the actions they have done.

People attack the socialists for their work in the anti-war movement- and at the same time praise CWers even though they have not played a significant role in getting people active in the movement.

I think Anarchists can sometimes be dazzeled by the bravery of individuals in their actions. When in reality what we need is not just 'individuals making their stand' but rather a whole class making a stand!

by conor (wsm personal capacity) Fri Jun 06, 2003 11:01

Papal Bull

"People attack the socialists for their work in the anti-war movement- and at the same time praise CWers even though they have not played a significant role in getting people active in the movement.

I think Anarchists can sometimes be dazzeled by the bravery of individuals in their actions. When in reality what we need is not just 'individuals making their stand' but rather a whole class making a stand!"

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Well it WAS pretty dazzling and did almost as much damage to the navy air effort as the entire Iraqi air defence system !

But, any way, how do you start that process?
(eg the entire class making a stand)

How do you move beyond empty rhethoric?

and when ?

Sometimes just demonstrating something is POSSIBLE can be the key and for that I would thank Catholic Worker for that

- the point is to make these sort of actions the property of many

to demonstrate that if 5 can wreck a plane,

200 hundred can wreck several planes,

a strike can close an air port

or an arms production line.....

The second question is what does "getting people active" mean?

Is our function to get people to go through an ENDLESS series (not I have nothing against big well organised marches they are important) of futile officially sanctioned "protests"/"family day outs" and demonstrations that we are "against this sort of thing"
(to be duly noted and duly ignored by the powers that be)?

Or to encourage our class to take ACTION to further THEIR OWN aims

Conor

by Just guessing Fri Jun 06, 2003 13:09

the last two photos are the same person, right?

by jm Fri Jun 06, 2003 14:06

the main problem with socialism, and indeed any political society where the individual is subsumed by the notion of class, is that class actions require tons of folks, whereas individual actions require just one.

plus, work can suck. why would i identify myself by something i don't like to do.

no class.

by Deirdre Clancy - Catholic Worker Fri Jun 06, 2003 17:47 dee_clancy at yahoo dot co dot uk

First, we don't agitate for people to put pictures up of us on indymedia - if they choose to that's their perogative. And if they choose to catch us in a serious mode where we look a bit weird, there's nothing we can do about that. It just happens that we spent the evening listening to harrowing stories of the situation on the ground in Iraq, so for a lot of the time it wasn't a barrel of laughs, although we had a few later on when it was over. So petty comments about how we present ourselves are sort of irrelevant in this context. However, personally I'd rather that Kathy Kelly/Caoimhe were posted up. They've done amazing work.

Second, Papal Bull, we've actually worked quite hard within the Irish peace movement. Just because we are not part of the IAWM steering committee or whatever, doesn't mean we haven't been doing stuff behind the scenes for quite some time within our own circles, which may not be the same as yours. Our action was the culmination of quite a lot of hard graft on several different fronts, and we've been working hard to keep the momentum going since we came out of prison, in terms of protests, vigils, raising awareness that the war is not over, etc. Knowing as I do folks who now think the so-called "war on terror" is a dead issue and want to move onto the bin tax, I think I can safely say my conscience is clear on the issues you raise.

by Papal Bull Fri Jun 06, 2003 17:58

could you guys please answer a few questions I have.

Did CW (or any of your members) work with Youth Defence in the abortion and divorce referenda?

What's CW position on Abortion and Divorce?

What's your position on women priests? papal infalibility?

Another thing that you dont answer is what would you do if a country like Venezeula was invaded by the US- would you not support the armed struggle of the people against the US imperialism?

Unfortunatly we live in a world where imperialism will used armed force against ordinary people. Ordinary people need to be able to resist without being held back by pacifism.

by Cleo Fri Jun 06, 2003 20:30

I admire the Catholic workers for their bravery selflessness and dedication to their beliefs. They are an inspiration to us all. To endure prison, arrest and demonisation for their steadfast adherance to the principles of God's love for all mankind is truly courageous. CW don't just preach they live rebellion and integrity.

by Ciaron O'Reilly Fri Jun 06, 2003 21:52

We are anarchist pacifist because we are radical christians. You dpo the math on your questions or do we have to do all your thinking for you along with your activism.

We are into nonviolent resistance not protest or lobbying. We work laterally & in solidarity with other resisters on the basis of nonviolence what ever philosphy they spring from...we have no intentions to lead, milk, co-opt, recruit from the anti-war movement that comes and oges with 24 hour tv coverage.

we are pretty stressed facing ten years max....cut us some slack.
Luvya dude
Ciaron

by captain Nairac's ear Fri Jun 06, 2003 22:43

I don't agree with non violence and pacifisism of CW, but I do admire the annoyance CW causes the authorities. You may be mild mannered catholic workers, but youse cause maximum annoyance to the authorities and you've got the rich and powerful foaming at the teeth.

by Jack Fri Jun 06, 2003 22:56

CW No. 5 says "We work laterally & in solidarity with other resisters on the basis of nonviolence what ever philosphy they spring from"
Does that mean resisiting Bush's onslaught on the right to choose? Or are you with Bush on that one?
Since you're stressed a simple Yes/No would do.

by Kenneth Owende Fri Jun 06, 2003 23:57

Ciaron, you did not answer the questions that "papal bull" gave you.

could ye please clarify where you stand on US invading Venezeuala. If the people resisted imperialism with arms would you support them or just be neutral?

Where do you stand on abortion, divorce, papal infalibility, women priests, contraception?

Ciaron, and other CWs, I think that you've done great work in anti-war movement. you really raised the profile of anti-war movement. However I would like you to clarify these things and not just dismiss me as a crank (I am using my own name unlike that muppet 'papal bull')

by Ciaron O'Reilly Sat Jun 07, 2003 02:08

We are pacifists, the state is inherently violent resting on "casting the first stone", prisons, armies, executions....the use of the state apparatatus is inherently violent, we don't vote or support the use of state prisons. cops or soldiers to implement our vision for the world.

by Ciaron O'Reilly Sat Jun 07, 2003 02:20

There are 3 reponses to violence in the history of the church movement

PACIFISM (an absolutest ethic embodied in the way of the cross) - dominant in the first three centuries before the Constantine co-option, patronisation, legalisation etc.

JUST WAR THEORY (a relativist ethic) - emerges post-Constantine and employed by state military's, Provo, Sandanista Catholics alike.

Theoretically places such restrictions on the use of violence that makes it pretty redundant in an age of modern warfare technology...Bush & Blair both admitted that innocents would be killed before the recent war started.

It's a relativist ethic that should be applied to abortion and war by those who embrace it, the church buraucrats seem to apply a pacifist/absolutist ethic to abortion and just war ethic/relativist to war.

THE CRUSADE MENTALITY - "Christ and no quarter" infidel children, non-combatants all fair game, this is the ethic implicit in nuclear war fighting, aerial bombarment etc etc

These are major debates within the church as movement....similar to debates within the anachist scene in relation to veganism, animal liberation etc etc. Worthy debates that should be conducted with mutual respect and sensitivity and an acknowledgment tha many bring painful experiences to the discourse. Not sue if the internet is a worthy medium for such a discussion.

Stop me in the street and we'll talk some more.
Peace
Ciaron

by Justin Morahan - Peace People Sat Jun 07, 2003 11:37

You may all be the same person for all I know. Why do you search out these threads to be so spiteful and hurtful to these wonderful people.
Are you so intolerant that you can't accept any other philosophy than your own or are you seriously worried by the efficacy of their actions.
Bush, Blair and Ahern smile a lot but as Shakespeare put it "one can smile and smile and be a villain."
Come and meet the people you appear to hate so much in person and you won't be able to resist their genuine warmth and goodness.

by Kenneth Owende Sat Jun 07, 2003 14:01

Ciaron,

I understand that you are pacifists. I dont disagree that violence and war is a horrible thing. I dont accept Bush and Blair's 'moral' reasons for going to war in Iraq.

I would like if you answered the questions that I have about the CW movement. I'm not some crank or sectarian that's just trying to stir up shit. I'm genuinely interested in your ideas.

Where would you stand if the US imperialists invaded Venezeuala and the people there resisted using arms. I'm sure that they would not like to but in reality would have to in order to defeat US imperialism. If you dont support ordinary people taking up arms against an imperialist agreessor then what is your alternative? turning the other cheek? Was it wrong for the Spanish people in the 30s, the Russian people in 1917, the people of Chile in the 70s to fight imperialism using arms?

Then there are the questions about the Catholicism of the CWers. Does your organisation (or you personally) support catholic teaching on divorce, abortion, contraception, women priests, papal infalibility etc?

Is there any truth to the CWers working with Youth Defence on a number of issues?

I hope that you'll answer these queries that I have, please dont just avoid them or sling mud at me.

by Jack Sat Jun 07, 2003 19:15

Abortion is the same as war (for those who embrace such relativist ethics)?????????

by Ciaron Sat Jun 07, 2003 20:51

Simone Weill "Those who live by the sword, die by the sword, those who don't die on a cross"

There are interesting letters between daniel Berrigan and priests who joined the Sandanista government in the '80's. Also an interesting reflections by one of those post-Sandanista priests on whether he should have stuck with the grassroots basic Christian comunity movement and the righht wing drift of the Sandanistas once they got into power and then lost it etc.

Worth tracking down, good luck in your search, well worth the effort.

by Kenneth Owende Sun Jun 08, 2003 13:34

Ciaron, I've a lot of respect for the actions that the CWers have done over the past whil- and I've questions about your other ideas.

Could you please stop dodging the questions that I, and others, have.

Here they are again:
1. What is the Catholic Worker position on
(a) abortion
(b) divorce
(c) contraception
(d) papal infalibility
(e) women priests

2. Is it true that the Catholic Workers have worked with Youth Defence in the past? do you intend to work with them in the future?

3. I think you have answered the question on supporting armed resistence to imperialism. But just to confirm, Is it correct that you would not support an armed resistance by ordinary working people if US imperialism invaded Venezealua to topple Chavez and get the oil? yes or no?

As I said before I'd like if you honestly answer these questions without dodging them.

by King Mob Sun Jun 08, 2003 18:27

If you are so concerned, why don't you just get up off your arse and go talk with Ciaron or one of the group. Go look in a real book, for fucks sake, instead of being a pocket Paxman, rah rah look at me I'm asking hard questions on a website.

Joe Higgins was wrong, the real virtual warriors are the question asking people here.

by Paddy Mac Sun Jun 08, 2003 19:52

Just sos people don't lump someun like me into their agenda. i am active in an anti-war movement, not a pace/peace movement. Most anti-war activists are against war but are not pacifist. If the US invaded Venuzala, I would support armed resistance. Peace and goodwill won't bring justice.

by Lexmark Sun Jun 08, 2003 23:43

Well King MOB, virtual warrior - your are here defending your fellow virtual warriors the Catholic Workers.
Lets dispel a myth. The Catholic Workers are being potrayed as great brave heroes. But what did they actually do- damaged a few planes and broke a few by-laws. Hardly feats of great bravery, despite the risk of a jail term.
If its true that the Catholic Worker Organisation has or does assist or defend the likes of Youth Defence. If they actively campaign against a woman's right to choose. If they oppose divorce, contraception etc, then they should be shunned. Damaging a few American planes doesn't make up for being a reactionary!

by ? Sun Jun 08, 2003 23:59

I second Kenneths questions re. the CW position on abortion, divorce and contraception. They deserve a clear answer, and not evasive tactics such as we are all too used to from politicians in this country. Please answer the above, Ciaron.

I also am not trying to get a rise out of you, but would really like to know.

by John Mon Jun 09, 2003 02:38

In a previous thread Ciaron spoke of abortion as "war on the unborn".

by Ray Mon Jun 09, 2003 11:24

That the Catholic Workers might not _have_ a position on abortion? They are an anti-war group. That's the issue they are active on. They don't campaign about Travellers' rights or discrimination against women, they weren't in Genoa or Evian, and they haven't written any pamphlets about Kronstadt, Rosa Luxembourg, or Che Guevara.

As individuals, some or all of them may be opposed to abortion. They don't campaign on the issue, and they're obviously not a bunch of reactionaries like Youth Defence. So why do you care so much about their position on an issue that has nothing to do with the work they have been doing?

Answer - you're Trots jealous of the attention the CWers are getting, because their actions put your claims of being 'the real revolutionaries' to shame.

by Hilda Robinson Mon Jun 09, 2003 14:48

"That the Catholic Workers might not _have_ a position on abortion? They are an anti-war group. That's the issue they are active on" - Ray.

I accept that they may not have positions on the various issues people are asking about. They may just leve those issues up to individual members own belief. However, they have not siad this. I dont know if they have a position on these questions or not.

The CWers are not just an anti-war group. They do have a whole set of ideas on various different things. They come from a catholic movement in the United States.

by Ray Mon Jun 09, 2003 15:02

If not, then what does it matter what some of their members think about the subject.
Even if some or all of them are opposed to abortion, that's irrelevant when they're working on another campaign, haven't brought it up, and (unlike YD) aren't generally reactionary. How many of the 100,000 people on the march in Dublin were anti-abortion? If you want to criticise the CWers for their position, why didn't you interrogate all of the other marchers too? You could have done it from the platform - "All those who are anti-war AND anti-abortion, follow me. The rest of you fuck off"
What makes this even funnier/more despicable, is that the IAWM's opposite number in Britain, that the SWP and SP were both part of, allied themselves with Muslim groups across the country. And when these groups introduced their own reactionary politics into the campaign (insisting on sexually segregated meetings, for example) the STWC were happy to go along with them.

So when religious reactionaries insist on introducing other issues into the campaign, the Trots don't mind.
But when religiously motivated campaigners keep their other politics separate from their anti-war campaigning the Trots go on a witch-hunt.
The difference? The second set of activists is anarchist, and very actively anti-war, and Trots hate revolutionary 'competition'.

by shoegirl Mon Jun 09, 2003 15:13 shoegirl at eircom dot net

The continuous bantering about CW's other policies and/or beliefs are disingenuous.

They are not campaigning on these issues. And I assume that their position would be that of any other catholic organisation. But it doesn't or shouldn't take away from the quality of this campaign. To simply play it down on the grounds that they are a catholic organisation with a catholic agenda is tantamount to saying that there should not be a United Ireland because the IRA has killed innocent bystanders.

Don't shoot the messenger. CW have hugely succeeded, albeit at a terrible price to themselves, of making opposition to militarisation a public issue. They have also drawn attention to the low security of the site and the resulting danger to civillians working and using that airport from a terrorist attack.

You cannot just shoot that down with a prejudiced, small minded statement about their position on sexual/reproductive issues.

regards

shoegirl

by OK - SP Mon Jun 09, 2003 15:13

Ray, I think it's wrong of you to say that the Socialist Party made concessions to Islamic groups, many of which are quite reactionary.

In Britain and in Ireland the Socialist Party welcomed ordinary muslims onto demos against the war. However we always opposed the reactionary elements that, for example, argued for segregated meetings.

I think you may be getting the SP mixed up with other groups on the left that even proposed that the IAWM ask for donations of Muslim businessmen.

by Ray Mon Jun 09, 2003 15:49

The Feb 15th march in the UK was jointly called by the STWC and the Muslim Association of Britain. The MAB defend the use of the death penalty in Sharia law
http://www.mabonline.net/media/alerts/timesislamicjustice11.11.02.htm
They are also affiliated to the Muslim Brotherhood, which is apparently the largest fundamentalist group in the Middle East.
And here's a letter about practices in the Birmingham STWC
http://www.cpgb.org.uk/worker/420/letters.html
"...In the second instance, we reject practices like that of segregating men and women or recitation of the Quran in STWC meetings as islamic expression..."

So why is all this okay for the STWC, but the Catholic Workers, who haven't been pushing any reactionary politics, are being grilled on abortion? Maybe if one of them is reading they could tell you about that thing in the bible - you know, about motes and beams...

by OK - SP Tue Jun 10, 2003 00:32

I would definitly criticise some of the more reactionary elements in the MAB. I would of course support ordinary people of muslim origin coming out and getting active in politics- but would not reserve my criticism of the reactionary politics of some muslims.

The same goes for the CWers in my opinion. I would welcome them in opposing the war but would criticise their pacifism. Similarly they are fully entitled to criticise me for my political position. Unfortunalty no-one from the CWers have answered questions directed at them on this thread about their religious beliefs.

by gosh! Tue Jun 10, 2003 03:36

Kenneth Owende,

To gain your support you would like the CWs to answer your questions which look like an attempt to trap them and alienate them from part of their potential support base.

Your support must be pretty fucking amazing. What are you going to do?

by Ray Tue Jun 10, 2003 09:11

The CWers have not made an issue of their position on abortion (if they even have one). They haven't raised it in the anti-war campaign, they haven't tried to link the two together - the fact that most people don't even know if they _have_ a position is proof enough of that.
The MAB, on the other hand, introduced Islam into the STWC. They insisted on segregated meetings, and on STWC meetings including recitations from the Koran (and this is on top of their odious position on the death penalty).
Do you not see a difference?
If the CWers don't campaign on abortion, and don't talk about it in anti-war meetings, then it has nothing to do with the anti-war campaign. Sure, its something you might want to argue about in the pub afterwards, but its not really relevant to the campaign. Their pacifism, on the other hand, is fair game, because that decides their tactics in the anti-war campaign. If you have a problem with pacifism, then that could be a reason not to work alongside them against the war.
The MAB support the death penalty. If that's not something they talked about in the STWC, or campaigned on in Britain, then it could be argued about outside the STWC (though not in the pub, obviously). But if they also introduced fundamentalism into the STWC, then that is a problem.

The fact that you Trots are making a big deal about the CW, but were happy to ally with the MAB, is proof that your problem is not really with their religion. At the moment you're clearly looking for a stick to beat the CWers with. Their behaviour hasn't been offensive, and they haven't been pushing an anti-divorce line, so why try to make a big deal out of it?

(to forestall the expected stupid questions - no, I'm not in CW, nor am I a pacifist, nor do I have any time for christianity, or any other religion. I don't think tooth fairies, Santa Claus, or magic Disneylands are necessary or important reasons for political action. That said, the CWers have been sincere, honest, and committed activists, and this latest set of attacks stinks of naked sectarianism)