Paisti Pailistineacha/Fundraising for Palestinian Schools

by R Isible - 1 of IMC Mon May 12, 2003 22:47

thanks.

by Avi H. Tue May 13, 2003 09:46

Why don't you send this announcement to Yasser Arafat? He has billions of dollars of embezzled cash in his personal European bank accounts.

by kokomero Tue May 13, 2003 10:30

Apart from the fact that Arafat doesn't troll around IMC posting propaganda, he is a Muslim and hence even if he were in Dublin it is highly unlikely he would attend a function in a bar where alcohol is served.

I'm sure Israel has many fundraisers around the world, and I've never heard such a call for Sharon to fork out some of his ill-gotten gains which were the subject of scandal prior to the recent Israeli elections.

If you were in any way consistent with your previous postings on the Palestinian education system, specifically alleged anti-Israeli indoctrination, you would welcome western involvement in the education of Palestinian children.

by Avi H. Tue May 13, 2003 13:39

Where does all the PA's money come from and what happens to it? Most of it is connected with crime of one sort or another:

Check the link: http://public-integrity.org/money.pdf

by Avi H. Tue May 13, 2003 13:59

as you mention, Kokomero, of what is actually in Palestinian school textbooks. First of all, though, I don't see any acknowledgement of Israel's existence in these Palestinian maps:

http://www.usefulwork.com/shark/mapsofpalestine.html

However, the main problem is with what is taught in school. In general, Israel and Jews are portrayed as evil:

http://www.bbidirect.org/anti_semitism/index.asp

and no attempt is made to prepare students for reconciliation, peace or respect for life:

http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/Peace/patext.html

http://www.edume.org/reports/3/intro.htm

by Salah Tue May 13, 2003 14:03

A BREAKDOWN OF UNITED STATES AID TO ISRAEL

Financial Aid

The Israeli government is the largest recipient of US financial aid in the world, receiving over one-third of total US aid to foreign countries4, even though Israel’s population comprises just .001% of the world’s population and has one the world’s higher per capita incomes.

Since 1949 the US has given Israel a total of $84,854,827,200. The interest costs born by US taxpayers on behalf of Israel are $49,937,000,000 – making the total amount of aid given to Israel since 1949 $134,791,507,200 (more than $134 billion).5

The total cost of this financial aid to US tax payers per Israeli is $23,240.

Since 1992, the US has offered Israel an additional $2 billion in loan guarantees every year.6

Nearly all past loans to Israel have been forgiven – leading Israel to claim that they have never defaulted on repayment of a US loan – with most loans made on the understanding that they would be forgiven before Israel was required to repay them.

In 1997 alone, the total of US grants and loan guarantees to Israel was $5.5 billion, i.e., $15,068,493 per day.

Military Aid

The United States provides direct and indirect military aid to Israel – totalling more than it gives to all the countries of sub-Saharan Africa, Latin America, and the Caribbean put together, whose combined total population is 1,054,000,000.

According to a US Department of Defence Joint Report to Congress in March 2001, “It is in the United States’ national interest to promote the existence of a stable, democratic and militarily strong Israel, at peace with its neighbours […]”.7 According to a US State Department statement in November 2002, the US government is committed to “maintaining and enhancing Israel’s security and qualitative edge over any combination of adversaries” and “the important advantages the US-Israeli strategic relationship has and will continue to provide us.”8

Foreign Military Financing (FMF) is grants to foreign governments financing the purchase of American-made weapons, services and training. Israel receives 50% of the FMF budget request. The large sums paid by the US to Egypt and Jordan are in recognition of the two countries signing peace accords with Israel in 1979 and 1994 respectively.

FMF Budget Request FY 2001: Total budget request: $3.54 billion
Budget request for Israel: $1.98 billion
Budget request for Egypt: $1.3 billion
Budget request for Jordan $75 million

The Economic Support Fund (ESF) promotes economic and political stability in areas strategically important to the US. It is not intended for military usage, but allows the recipient government to free up other money, therefore providing indirect military aid. Israel receives the largest single grant of the Near East budget, which alone is 79% of the total ESF request.

ESF Budget Request, FY 2001:
Total budget request:
$2.313 billion

Budget request for Near East:
$1.828 billion, including:

Israel
$840 million

Egypt
$150 million

WB/GS
$100 million

Furthermore:

18 of the 92 pending arms sales transfers in the year 2000 were to Israel;

Israel has the world’s largest fleet of F-16s outside the US, currently possessing 200 jets -- with a further 102 on order with American manufacturer Lockheed Martin;

In June 2001 Israel again requested $800 million in supplementary US aid. This was originally pledged to cover the cost of the Israeli withdrawal from south Lebanon – in other words, Israel was being paid for complying with international law. As Israel re-requests this package, administration officials have considered linking it to the implementation of the Mitchell Report, again effectively paying Israel to comply with international standards

Charitable Aid

Private donations to American charities initially constituted one quarter of Israel’s budget. Today, it is estimated that these tax-deductible donations exceed $1.5 billion per year. The ability of Americans to make what amounts to tax deductible contributions to a foreign government does not exist for any other country.

by Anonymous Tue May 13, 2003 14:14

Avi H, would you at least accept there have and are wrongs on both sides?

by Avi H. Tue May 13, 2003 14:31

You have to be more specific, as otherwise such a vague statement is meaningless. However, it is certainly true that it is much preferable to move beyond an endless slanging match and into an atmosphere of co-operation.

by iosaf Tue May 13, 2003 15:31

in either dollars or euros.
and most of it is generated on immoral business deals.
The sort of business ethics that can allow the continuing sale of babies organs to prolong the lives of the rich.
oh Avi you are a fake!

by Ali Halabi Tue May 13, 2003 16:07

So far this week we have :

+ Discredit the Palestinian education system
+ Discredit everybody else's nuclear/WMD program
+ Discredit ISM as a Palestinian front
+ Discredit Al-Jazeera
+ Discredit the British and Irish as promoters of suicide bombing
+ Discredit the Palestinian leadership
+ Insult the Irish by arguing for re-establishment of the union with Britain and denying their right to soverignty and self-determination
+ Come up with lame excuses for the continued occupation of Palestine

The only thing we're missing is the disturbing rise in anti-semitic attacks in outer Mongolia or some other such nugget of valuable information.

Your output of dirge is phenomenal and must account for 10% of the traffic on IMC this week but it doesnt escape the fact that you obviously have nothing better to do than indulge yourself in childish games of "King of the castle".

by Ali Halabi Tue May 13, 2003 16:07

So far this week we have :

+ Discredit the Palestinian education system
+ Discredit everybody else's nuclear/WMD program
+ Discredit ISM as a Palestinian front
+ Discredit Al-Jazeera
+ Discredit the British and Irish as promoters of suicide bombing
+ Discredit the Palestinian leadership
+ Insult the Irish by arguing for re-establishment of the union with Britain and denying their right to soverignty and self-determination
+ Come up with lame excuses for the continued occupation of Palestine

The only thing we're missing is the disturbing rise in anti-semitic attacks in outer Mongolia or some other such nugget of valuable information.

Your output of dirge is phenomenal and must account for 10% of the traffic on IMC this week but it doesnt escape the fact that you obviously have nothing better to do than indulge yourself in childish games of "King of the castle".

by Anonymous Tue May 13, 2003 16:56

I can get more specific if you wish Avi H but I don't see why. I ask a simple question, "would you at least accept there have and are wrongs on both sides?".

Though I believe Israel to be the primary aggressor in this conflict, I believe many wrongs have also been commited on the Palestinian side. I assume you are backing Israel in this conflict, but would you also accept that wrongs have been commited by them? As I say I can get specific, but I don't see the need.

And I would agree with your statement:-

"However, it is certainly true that it is much preferable to move beyond an endless slanging match and into an atmosphere of co-operation."

Though your opinions on the conflict are obviously very different to a lot of the readers of this site.

I want to see a realistic solution and end to this bloody and awful conflict - I'm sure you do too - And that, at least, I think we can all agree upon.

Best regards

by Sean Wed May 14, 2003 22:13

Funds for Palestinian Children' education
by Sean Wed, May 14 2003, 7:00am

From working class Cabra to Jenin there are many miles but that does not stop us from seeing that education in Dublin as in Palestine is the only road to freedom. TONIGHT (Wednesday 14 May) Traditional Music Night @ The Cobblestone Bar Smithfield Square Ronan O Snodaigh from KILA, Maire Ni Bheaglaoich, Neilidh Mulligan + Guest Artists All proceeds will go directly to Palestinean schools in the West Bank. Show your support.

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COMMENTS

Already announced in a previous thread
by Avi H. Wed, May 14 2003, 9:49am

Avi You Derailed The Thread
by Yes But Wed, May 14 2003, 9:52am

freedom = socialism
by KJIFAN Wed, May 14 2003, 9:54am

Socialism is the only road to freedom, education is important too. Immortal juche idea founded by comrade Kim Il Sung gives us all the answers we need to build powerful nation. We must tell children that there is still some hope in this world. Comrade Kim Jong Il will continue the job that his father started and someday whole world will unite under the great juche idea created by great leader Kim Il Sung.

KJIFAN
by Cato Wed, May 14 2003, 9:58am

Get Kim to nuke Tel Aviv

No can do
by KJIFAN Wed, May 14 2003, 12:02pm

Kim Jong Il is the man of peace. He will not use his army to attack any country, it is only for self defence purposes. Imperialist war is impossible in true socialism.

KJIFAN
by pat c Wed, May 14 2003, 12:51pm

But Israel now exports munitions to both the neo-colonialist Sth Korean regime and the revisionist Chinese junta. Such a nuclear strike would quite clearly be self defence.

Pat
by KJIFAN Wed, May 14 2003, 1:08pm

I agree. But it is not that simple. Kim Jong Il is the most responsible leader and he will carefully think before he uses Korean People's Army to defeat the enemy. I think he is being extra careful when using nukes.

What a pair of twits
by Avi H. Wed, May 14 2003, 1:23pm

Anyway, see:

http://www.indymedia.ie/cgi-bin/newswire.cgi?id=48011

related link: www.indymedia.ie/cgi-bin/newswire.cgi?id=48011

by alexx87 - Ishim Wed Mar 12, 2008 14:21 kerry at gmai dot com http://www.627750.ru 9690546999654

The sort of business ethics that can allow the continuing sale of babies organs to prolong the lives of the rich.
oh Avi you are a fake!