Save 16 Moore Street

by Janus Mon May 12, 2003 12:19

16 Moore St

by - Mon May 12, 2003 15:00

on an old article, couldn't we have a link? it's a JD photo.

by R Isible - 1 of IMC Mon May 12, 2003 17:45

thanks.

by what about the whites Mon May 12, 2003 18:06

no point in saving the street and genociding the irish at the same time

by Justin Moran - Sinn Fein Mon May 12, 2003 18:17 maigh_nuad at yahoo dot com

A crowd of just under 100 people took part in a protest rally at 16 Moore St this evening followed by a march to City Hall to send the message to the Counil that they wished this historical landmark preserved.

The proceedings at 16 Moore St were chaired by Sinn Féin Councillor Larry O'Toole but there was a non-partisan atmosphere to the occasion with the placards supplied bearing no party symbol or slogan. Cllr O'Toole thanked those councillors who attended the event including Sinn Féin Councillors Burke, Ellis and Kehoe, Labour Councillors Mayor Lacey and Costello TD and Fianna Fáil Councillor Chris Andrews.

Historian Michael MacDonncha gave an illuminating and dramatic account of the history of 16 Moore St and the final days of the rebellion. This was followed by a speech from the Chairman of the National Graves Association. After this however the event got a bit bogged down with an interminable, an inaudible, (No sound system) speech from Tomas MacGiolla and shorter speeches from Mayor Lacey and Joe Costello.

A visibly impatient crowd was then treated to an oration by Jer O'Leary of James Connolly's final statement and an unusual version of Rising of the Moon by an American tourist who had been dragged along by friends.

Garda motorcycle escort in tow, the crowd then moved onto Henry St and into Capel St on its way to City Hall. The crowd was probably at its height now at about a hundred people. About half the crowd were, I estimate, Sinn Féin people and supporters but I saw members from most other parties and even a member of the SWP, without paper I am glad to admit.

The march was good humoured and arrived at City Hall at around 6pm where the Councillors went in to debate the issue. The motion to preserve the site has all-party support and Cllr O'Toole, thanking the crowd for coming expressed his hope they would be successful.

by Ailin Mon May 12, 2003 18:36

A number of RSF members and supporters were also in attendance.

by Justin Moran - Sinn Fein Mon May 12, 2003 18:45 maigh_nuad at yahoo dot com

I'm sure there were, I didn't deliberately omit anyone but since there were no banners or party flags except for one Sinn Féin cumann banner I only noted the people I personally recognised.

by Noone Mon May 12, 2003 19:15

Why didnt you leave your name? Why do you have to be anonymous? Or did you simply forget to leave your name? Due to lack of intelligence maybe? If your going to make such a strong statement, atleast back it up and support it. Why do you oppose the small black community that live in and around that area?
Such a childish racist comment it was.

by Ailin Mon May 12, 2003 19:19

I wasnt have a dig at yourself Justin. I wouldnt expect you to know all the different groups. There has been accusations that RSF were only attending big marches to gain publicity and that they were absent from the smaller ones. I was just pointing out that this is not the case.

by iosaf Mon May 12, 2003 19:48

"an unusual version of Rising of the Moon by an American tourist who had been dragged along by friends"

this is why you must carry a digital camera and minidisc recorder with you at all times.

the readers need to know about these little details.
why was it an "unusual version"?
when you say "dragged" what does that mean?
and why are Noone's entries to the website not charted timewise and all his comments erased like his articles?

by Justin Moran - Sinn Fein Mon May 12, 2003 20:02 maigh_nuad at yahoo dot com

I left them in me other coat :)

It's difficult to describe the version, it wasn't bad as such, just different words here and there and a different rhythmn to the song. Fair play to the man for getting up and singing considering he had no idea what we were draggin him to.

As for the drag, there were too many speeches and in particular, Tomas MacGiolla's effort. Now I'm not trying to score anti-stickie points here. For all I know the ten minute speech, longest of the evening, that MacGiolla gave was a powerful oration and a dramactic account but I was standing about five feet from him and I could not make out a word he was saying.

For ten minutes people stodd around listening to an incoherent mumble occasionally enlivened when he turned and pointed at something.

by Noone Mon May 12, 2003 21:12 aracegoneinsane at hotmial dot com

Iosaf. What is it about me that seems to piss you off? Am I not allowed comment?

by The Yank wasn't dragged - he was itchin for it! - not a political party, not a religion, not anything organised! Mon May 12, 2003 21:26 somewhere in the depths of ANONYMOUS cyberspace - respect face masks and black blocs! sixty nine is the number i want, baby

The guy with the guitar (accompanied by an un-named RTSer/autonomist/critical masser/etc and a now heavily tattooed [I'm extremely jealous of the new one I must admit] veteran anarcho-feminist of the fanzine scene) was asked by Larry O'Toole spontaneously to give a song to the crowd. He was more than happy to oblige, in fact afterwards in De Flowing Tide he was waxing lyrical about being involved in a part of history.

He was quite happy to be dragged up to Moore Street, he specifically asked to see the Gee Pee Oh (after thinking that the centre of the Rising was the Green!) and when yer good self, Justin, wandered along, and informed us of the protests at no. 16, he was as happy as Larry (not O'Toole, just a figure of speech!) to be a part of it.

Afterwards an aul wan with a shopping cart that appeared to have metamorphosed into a zimmer frame on wheels (Flann O'Brien no doubt would have some comment) cornered him after this performance and walked him at a snails pace up Moore Street, harping on about the 'Ra in the olden times. He lapped it up!

Good to see that the 'Drift' still works wonders in this city. You never know what bleedin freaks you'll bump into. Unemployment rocks. Now if only the fuckin Social Welfare would quit pissing around and pay my dole.

by me Mon May 12, 2003 23:35

The lone member of the SWP being myself attended the first major press conference about 16 moore a few weeks ago with Tim Pat Coogan, An taisce, NGA etc..In fact I informed Sinn Fein to contact the campaign, so please be a little more considerate in future before making presumptions.

by helga Tue May 13, 2003 01:35

why do you presume Noone to be a man, Josef?

by Joe Tue May 13, 2003 12:03

So its not a presumption

by oh dear helga, Tue May 13, 2003 13:55

Josef is not one of the names I use.
I use Iosaf, Ipsiphi, Oasif.
Josef is a socialist sounding person whose name beig similar to iosaf, cuases such confusion.
I presume "No one" is "noone", as they enter the site at the same time, Noone leaves fascist links to his "revisionism" yahoo group which are immediately deleted, and then to feel clever and avoid the censor uses several names to add comments most of which are thinly veiled racism.

It is always difficult to know the gender of posters, that is why the anonymous nature of chatrooms allows for sexual fantasies to be played out-

by iosaf Tue May 13, 2003 13:59

is that they are racist.
and offensive to the readership.
and blatently against the IMC project.
your email addresses, your comments on keeping Moore St. white, it is all shit.

Obviously there aren't enough subsrcibers to your shit at your newsgroup or else you would be busy answering mails.
and I wonder how you react to learning that the Ethopians and Eritreans are semitic? I suppose you thought of them as "hamitic"?¿?
You are retarded politically but like your kind you are foul and can not be allowed the same patience as the other retards, (S...).

by Noone Tue May 13, 2003 19:50 aracegoneinsane at hotmail dot com

I dont believe this. Have I been mistaken for somebody else!?! I wont go on to much about this, as it has nothing to do with the subject.

I am not this 'no one', that you speak of. The name I use is 'Noone'. I am strongly against all fascist movements and all forms of racism, and have NEVER posted a link to any site to do with fascism or racism.
The above comment read "what about keeping Moore street white". I found this comment very rascist and commented on it. It's possible that I misread the above statement, and took it for something it wasnt, or others misread mine.

It seems someone else with a very simular name, posts racist/fascist comments and links. I have never seen any comments or links myself (probably due to their early deletion) but if needs be, I will change the name I use to avoid being associated with this nazi person(s) in question.

And the reason that this person(s) always seems to post around the same time as me, is probably due to the fact that Internet access is cheaper after six.

Hope this rest resolves a few issues.
Regards
(the real) Noone

by iosaf Wed May 14, 2003 16:13

the cheap time Eircom thing is messing up tracing the fascists, sorry for the confusion.
honestly.

by Noone Wed May 14, 2003 21:28

a problem. Simple missunderstanding. I was called a neo-nazi a few weeks ago. I guess this would explain that too.
Again, simple missunderstanding.
Regards